Explicit Dave Work Story, Fireworks Safety
Ep. 66

Dave Work Story, Fireworks Safety

Episode description

Dave tells a work story about being hacked, Ron goes over basic fireworks safety.

This episode’s Monero challenge: Tell us your favorite Michael Madsen performance.

This episode’s Monero winner height & blockhash: 3447808, 1ce813a022e6f2e99328e2a8984b49613a5891c092d84fb04cf17f3f0920f12e

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00:00:00 Big Beautiful Bill Bullshit

00:37:44 P.Diddy not guilty on major charges

01:04:12 RIP Michael Madsen

01:10:16 A listener sends us a story about police

01:23:55 Dave tells a work story about a time his company got hacked

01:28:45 Ron goes over basic fireworks safety

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0:00

Hey, welcome to the Canary in the Cage podcast. I'm Ron Morgan, I'm a co-host Dave Havlicek.

0:15

We're here to educate you, entertain you, and hopefully make you laugh.

0:18

Dave Havlicek. Indeed.

0:19

So, are we going to go big beautiful bill? We're going to go to the Didler.

0:24

Yeah, I mean, we can start with either one. Those are the big stories of the week.

0:28

We'll start with the big beautiful build. Okay.

0:31

So, it just passed the Senate and the House passed the Senate changes. Yep.

0:38

So now it's going to go to Trump's desk. He's probably going to sign it.

0:40

No, he's got a ceremony tomorrow in Iowa. He's going to sign it tomorrow.

0:43

Well, he's going to auto pen it, of course. Yes.

0:46

Call that woman and say, Hey, you're the auto pen lady, right?

0:49

No, he's going to do it on the stage in front of everybody.

0:53

Oh, fuck. This is a nightmare, dude.

0:55

Like, so now you seem a little shocked because we were talking about this before the show.

1:01

You're using a little shock that the Senate could just sneak things in the last minute.

1:05

Well, they can pass them. They can make changes that they talk about and they agree upon.

1:10

Yeah. But they don't have to talk about or agree upon them. They just put it in there.

1:15

Well, yeah. But before they pass it, they will want to hear or they talk about everything.

1:20

But they don't. They put things in and then pass it.

1:23

So is there more stuff stuck in or just the one thing?

1:25

Well, the one thing that we're going to talk about, because it's related to Vegas and my

1:32

career as a poker player, my former career as a poker player anyway,

1:36

but I'm sure there's other shit in there that other communities are upset about.

1:41

But this is what they do. Like they sneak shit in and they just pass it through and then.

1:46

But typically when something is put in, they know who did it.

1:50

I don't think that's the case. I don't think we do.

1:52

Well, normally they do because it's pork for their area.

1:56

Well, so now we're going to get to this part is I think that this actually benefits the casinos

2:01

and like online gambling sites. And I'll talk about why.

2:06

So before we get there, do you think it was an effort to kill the bill?

2:12

No. This is not big enough to make anybody change.

2:16

The mayor of Las Vegas came out the morning of.

2:19

I know the poker community.

2:21

I have a theory about well, it's not about the mayor, but I have a theory about

2:24

the Nevada Congress people about this.

2:28

Oh, do you think they might have snuck it in?

2:30

Well, okay. So the so Dean Titus came out on Twitter today or yesterday after it passed already,

2:38

complaining about, you know, this is bad for gamblers. This is bad for Nevada.

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I'm going to create a bill to cancel it.

2:46

Now, think about if she's going to cancel it.

2:54

Why why she might put it in there in the first place secretly.

2:56

Well, now she's a Congress person, so she couldn't have put it in there.

2:59

Right.

2:59

And that would have to be the Senate.

3:00

What about senators?

3:01

But they're all working together, right?

3:03

So if you think about it, the Democrats were always voting no on this regard because

3:08

because Orange Man bad doesn't matter. They don't care what's in the bill.

3:10

Orange Man bad.

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So the Democrats, especially the Nevada ones who know this is bad for Nevada,

3:18

would sneak this in there.

3:19

Okay.

3:20

The last minute knowing it's going to pass so that now they can grandstand and say,

3:25

this is bad for Nevada. We're going to stop Trump.

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Oh, Trump did this. How dare he.

3:30

See, now this is not proof of it.

3:32

It's just a theory.

3:33

That's that's because if you believed it was bad,

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why are you only on Twitter today after it's passed?

3:40

Why aren't you on Twitter two days ago saying this is in the bill?

3:44

We have to stop this.

3:45

Yeah.

3:45

Right. She didn't say a goddamn thing about it until after it passed.

3:48

So they're going to use this to make hay against Trump.

3:52

It's just a theory.

3:52

I don't know.

3:52

No, no, I like it. That actually explains a lot.

3:56

Well, because we don't know who put this in there.

3:57

Let's see who's no name on it.

3:58

Let's see who comes out.

4:00

Who was the first one to use it?

4:02

Yeah.

4:02

Well, so now they're not going to get to why.

4:04

Well, actually, let's let's have more what happened because we skipped over that.

4:06

Right. Well, yeah.

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So there's a provision put in the bill, the tax section.

4:11

That says if you're a professional gambler or actually any gambler,

4:14

right.

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And if so, normally the way gambling taxes work is really fucking stupid.

4:19

And like this is where actually Europe has way better than us.

4:23

They don't tax your gambling wings at all.

4:25

This is an American thing.

4:26

So.

4:27

Soccer.

4:28

Yeah.

4:28

So the way it works is you would think you just take your net and then add that to your income.

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But that's not what happens.

4:37

Okay.

4:37

So let's say that you have a $100 win on day one.

4:47

Right.

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And then you have a $90 loss on day two.

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Okay.

4:52

You don't just say I have $10 of income.

4:54

Right.

4:54

Can't do that.

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So what you do is you say I have $100 of income and then I take a $90 deduction.

5:00

Right.

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Now the bill, now normally you would take the full $90 deduction.

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Right.

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So what this bill changed is you can only take 90% of that 90 as a deduction.

5:12

So basically it makes it impossible to be a professional gambler.

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Right.

5:16

Well, the way it was explained to me, and actually I heard about this little temporal

5:21

podcast, which I don't listen to by a stubbler, I stumble across it.

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And this kind of made sense.

5:26

If you win $100,000.

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Yeah.

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And then over the course of the year, you lose $100,000 or more.

5:32

Yes.

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You can only deduct.

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Typically you go and deduct what your winnings are.

5:36

Right.

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So typically you only deduct $100,000.

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Now you can only deduct $90,000.

5:43

Yes.

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So you got to pay the $10,000.

5:46

Well, you pay taxes on 10.

5:47

Yes.

5:48

You never won.

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That's your down.

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You're down money.

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It's unrealized gains.

5:52

Right.

5:53

I mean, this is absolutely fucking insane.

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It literally makes it impossible to be a pro gambler, which is already hard enough in America,

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right?

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Because they're taxing it in the first place, which is like,

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you earned that money and they took taxes from your earnings,

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and now you're gambling that money.

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And they're saying you owe taxes on that too, which that's fucking insane.

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That makes no sense.

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Because it's not like they're only taxing the capital gains of your gambling.

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No, they're taxing all of your gambling.

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It's fucking stupid.

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Other countries don't do this.

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Why are we doing this?

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Because...

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See, I've never understood this because if you're,

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especially if you're a professional gambler.

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Yeah.

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And you should be able, and you're declaring your winnings as income.

6:34

Yes.

6:35

Why are you not able to deduct your mileage driving the air back?

6:37

You are.

6:37

You are.

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And you also should be able to...

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You conducted almost everything.

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You should have deducted all your losses, not just up to the $100,000.

6:46

Well, yeah, I...

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Yeah, so if you make it like an S corp, then you can make...

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I'm not 100% sure on this because I never been an S corp.

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I just did personal.

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Right.

6:58

The other thing you can't do is do carry forwards.

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So if you run a normal business and you lose money in year one,

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you can take that loss and apply to year two's taxes.

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A gambler cannot do that.

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So if you lose money year one, that's just gone.

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And if you win in year two, you owe taxes on the year two, the amount.

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I mean, it's all fucked up.

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It's so fucking stupid.

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And now here's why I think the casinos are in bed with whoever snuck this in here.

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Now, they're never going to announce it because they don't want you to know this.

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But casinos hate pro gamblers.

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They fucking hate us.

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Okay.

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Because in their mind, that's their money.

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Right.

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We're taking money out of the house that they believe is owed to them.

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They think we deliver no value.

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We're taking comps from them.

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Right.

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Because we're gaining the system, so to speak.

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And they don't like it.

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So now they're wrong because a pro gambler is essentially a liquidity provider.

7:58

So think about it in poker terms.

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So if I show up to play poker, I'm making a game happen.

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Right?

8:08

Yeah.

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So with me not there, you have an empty seat.

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Right.

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That you got to fill with a tourist.

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And you might not fill with that tourist.

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Right.

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But I'm going to be there every day.

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Like I'm a guaranteed show.

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So the regardless of me being profitable, I am delivering value to the casino by making

8:23

sure your tables look full.

8:25

Well, but wait, they get paid in the poker room by a percentage of the pot.

8:30

Yes.

8:30

So the fact that you're in that chair, the pot's bigger.

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Yes.

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But ideally, I mean, yeah.

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But in their mind, now this is kind of truish for a lot of poker players.

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Like a lot of them show up and put the hoodie on and like sit their head down like this and

8:47

they fucking have an iPad and they are kind of bad for the game.

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But a lot of people doing that are from Europe.

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Now, so what these European people do is they'll come here on a travel visa,

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which I believe you have four months.

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Okay.

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And they'll just like stay 10 to a room in like an Airbnb or something.

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And then just fucking grind out the casino all day.

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And then like they don't have taxes at all, right?

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Because so they're very profitable doing this.

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No, they search to pay taxes on the money.

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They don't owe any taxes because they're Europeans.

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They're here traveling.

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But if you come here and work, you're not working.

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They're gambling.

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They're having fun.

9:24

Huh.

9:24

I didn't know that.

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So even if they went to tournaments, now a tournament will automatically take the taxes out

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for you and then report it for you because they're so nice.

9:32

Yeah.

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Now, if a European went to tournament, they'll do that.

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And then the European has to file a redemption form to get that money back

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once they're back home in their own country.

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So yeah, they don't pay taxes on that.

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So like they're going to fucking clean house.

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So like now these casinos probably think they're pulling a fast one.

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Like, oh, pros are going to be fucked.

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Oh, but actually no, you're going to see more of these euros that actually are bad for the game

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show up because they don't have to pay this fucking tax and see American pros.

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The guys who do make the game, who make it friendly, who make it fun,

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the guys who you put on TV, right?

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They're the ones who are fucked by this.

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Well, it's going to be interesting how it plays out.

10:08

I like your theory on it, though.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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It's very plausible.

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Well, yeah, I just, I don't know how if it's not initial or if they don't know who put it in,

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it should be all regularly removed though.

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Somehow it works.

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They don't go for it.

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Like, yeah, the other thing is like none of these lawmakers actually write laws.

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They never ever write any laws.

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So what happens is a lobbyist, now whether that's a corporate whatever or just you, right,

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that lobbyist writes the law and goes to their office and says, hey,

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it would be really cool if you pass this law.

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And then they just pass that law, right?

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So they say, oh, these all privately written laws.

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So you could, I mean, essentially you could sneak in anything you want.

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Of course.

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Especially if it's like a time correct like this.

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And then you got like Trump dumbass,

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who thinks this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

10:55

Well, I'm going to hold my opinion on this right now because.

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Well, this provision of the bill is unequivocally bad.

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On the other big, beautiful bill.

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I'm going to see if it's big, beautiful.

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You know, I mean, it's like more debts, right?

11:10

No, see that.

11:10

Okay.

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So that's that's Massy's problem.

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I'm a Massy supporter, 100%.

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I think he should have voted for this, but he didn't.

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And I respect him for not doing it.

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He shouldn't have.

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Well, he, but if it was under Biden, he voted for every density.

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We've already taught.

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Like, why do you keep bringing this up when we've already talked about?

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So if he voted for to raise the debt, Senator Biden,

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why wouldn't he do it for under Trump?

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Because Trump did not give the same concessions.

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He said, I demand X, Y and Z.

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And Biden gave them.

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Trump did not.

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So the big, beautiful bill, if you just do the simple math,

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it looks like we're adding a bunch of money to the debt.

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Because we are.

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But no, what they're not, what the people are not realizing is

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the country's going to grow over these.

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No, it's not.

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Yes, it is.

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That's what they always fucking saying.

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It never works that way.

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Okay.

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We just signed a good deal.

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Ungood deal.

11:57

This is so dumb, dude.

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Like, no, we didn't.

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We'll see.

12:01

But we didn't sign the trade agreement.

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No, it wasn't good.

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For the first time ever, American products are going to be sold.

12:08

What products?

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Whatever they want to sell.

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What products are you talking about?

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They can end more products to sell.

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Do you think that anyone in Vietnam, like farming rice,

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can afford American products?

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The few American products that we make are all like super expensive.

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But they can't afford that.

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What are you talking about?

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We'll see.

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I mean, it's it's it's not like a good thing.

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No, it's not.

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Oh my God, dude.

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This is so stupid.

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You're going to find out like you, I don't know why like you,

12:32

you keep trying to kick that football because like Trump's already lied to you about

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bobbing places and like the one thing I called that out last week.

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Well, but yeah, but you keep falling for it.

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You're not falling for anything.

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You're falling for it.

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I want to see this.

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I want to call balls and strikes and I want to see how this bill plays out.

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I don't even know what's terrible.

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Do you know what's in this bill completely?

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Like, nobody does.

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Nobody like literally nobody does.

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So I want to see if there's help for the American people now.

12:58

The government cannot help the people.

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That's like you still don't get that.

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The government has abused the people.

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But the government cannot help.

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So if Trump was to ban the income tax, that would not help the people.

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That wouldn't be okay.

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So when I say the government cannot help the people, what I mean is the government cannot

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take an action that would result in helping the people.

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They can refrain from doing something.

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So yes, you're right on that.

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On that.

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Right.

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And that's what I want to see.

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I don't think the ban.

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I think we would have known things about that.

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Well, I wanted to say because Trump has talked about ban income tax.

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So I'm curious if it's a secret.

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No, no, he's like a month ago he brought it up again.

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So I want to see, I was like, but it's not just that.

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Like apparently they, we find your taxes, you get X amount of dollars to deduct from your taxes.

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Standard deduction.

13:46

See, yeah, he raised that.

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Well, it's been going up every year anyway.

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Okay.

13:51

So but let's see how much it went up.

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Let's see what he does.

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Social security, I don't think it's a no tax, but I think the tax break at the end of the

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year or something on it, it's supposed to be good.

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Let's see if it's actually good.

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The no tax on tips is amazing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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If you, if you're a bartender, you make $15 an hour and you get tips and you make,

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and your year ends $100,000, which in Vegas is not that hard to do.

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Right.

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You just got a $30,000 raise.

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Well, do you understand that people are going to start tipping less, right?

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See, that's okay.

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No, there's that.

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And they're saying restaurants might start paying less.

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Right.

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And then call those fucking companies out.

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Call them out.

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I mean, it's legal, right?

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It's not breaking the law.

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Well, true, but go to social media with that.

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Okay, that's fine.

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And start trashing that company.

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All right.

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No, we have to fight because.

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What do you mean by, okay, like you're, you keep acting like there's this pile of wealth

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somewhere and then like there's this, this dragon sitting on it, preventing you from

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getting your piece of it.

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So that's not how it works.

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Let me speak.

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Wealth is created by businesses doing business.

14:51

So the libertarian party meets the PT's bar.

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Okay.

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A version of the PT.

14:54

Yeah, yeah.

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Sierra Gold or whatever else they call it, whatever.

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Let's say PT's goes, oh, we're gonna start paying our bartenders less because they get

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more tips now.

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One, the libertarian party should pull out and never go to those bars again.

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Why?

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Because you're supporting the workers.

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You don't know what makes those workers better off.

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No tax on tips makes them better off.

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100%.

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Not necessarily.

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How you figure?

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Because if they're gonna lower, if they lower their wages in other ways.

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If the corporations try to profit from this or make their bottom line better.

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Again, you keep saying this.

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Everybody tries to profit.

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That's what life is.

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Your life is profit.

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So stop saying it's bad.

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Did we need to?

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Stop acting like it's bad.

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Didn't we need to bublight their ass?

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No.

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Yes.

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No, dude.

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That's not how it works.

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Stick up for your local bartenders.

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Dude, do you only need to fucking, like, no.

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This is not how it works.

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The market arrives at the optimal solution given the rules placed upon them.

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Right.

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So it has nothing to do with morale.

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It stops thinking it's a moral issue.

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You don't think we, the people, have made positive changes in corporations before?

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Not through the means that you're talking about.

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Uh, bublight?

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Like, how's bublight different?

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What do you mean?

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They lost a lot of fucking money.

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Okay, so what?

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They tried to apologize.

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So what?

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They fired.

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How is your life better because of this?

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It's not.

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I didn't drink bublight.

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Okay, then what are you talking about?

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You said it improved lives.

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No one's life is improved.

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We took a corporation out behind the woodshed.

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We put a bullet in it.

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Who gives a fuck?

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It doesn't do anything.

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It sets up for the next one.

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No, it doesn't.

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Set up what?

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So what company do you think is going to do that again?

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You think a company's going to do it bublight too?

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What?

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Like, they put a fucking retarded Instagram guy on a can.

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Who gives a fuck?

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Yeah, apparently the American people did.

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Okay, but so what?

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Like, why does it affect you?

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I don't understand.

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Like, if you don't like it in the first place,

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you've known me for a couple years.

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Like, you know I do stuff that's not about me.

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But it's not about helping nobody else either.

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You think it's helping other people, but it's not.

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No tax on tips is a net pus.

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If you change nothing else, sure, but you can't do that.

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So if these corporations try to make changes,

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so you make less money now, put them on blast.

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They will make changes because corporations' purpose

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is to make a profit.

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And the American citizens have a right to spend their money there

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or somewhere else.

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Sure, but you're saying we should.

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You should.

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You're telling me I should spend my- no.

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You don't tell me where I should spend my money.

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You decide where you spend your money.

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The Libertarian Party decides where it makes up.

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You don't tell me I have to do anything.

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You can go and support the company

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that everyone else is boycotting.

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Hopefully there'll be less lines there for you.

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That's right, there'll be less lines.

17:29

You'll get your glass of water a little quicker.

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And I'll get the tip last too.

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That's right.

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But I'm saying you act like this is some kind of moral issue.

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It's not a moral issue.

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People are going to do what they do.

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It's a moral issue.

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It's not a moral issue.

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What you earn is what you're worth.

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Your earnings are based on the value you provide.

17:48

You bust it.

17:49

And it has nothing to do with morality.

17:51

You busted my ass when I said that when Trump gets in office,

17:54

the grocery store food prices should go down.

17:57

And you're like, they are not going down.

17:58

They haven't.

17:59

Yes, they have.

18:00

When?

18:01

What do you talk?

18:01

Gas isn't down?

18:02

Go to your down home.

18:03

No, no.

18:04

First of all, gas is down everywhere, but here.

18:07

I've been trying to figure out why we-

18:09

California too.

18:10

California.

18:11

We buy our gas from California.

18:12

I think that's the problem.

18:14

But it can't be enough of the problem.

18:16

I mean, our gas prices per gallon is higher than Chicago.

18:19

Chicago is the second highest taxed gas in the country.

18:21

I haven't seen groceries come down.

18:23

Oh, yeah, they have.

18:24

I haven't heard what the hell you're smoking.

18:26

I'm still paying over $100 a week for groceries.

18:28

Well, they came down.

18:29

Where restaurants have- the price are dropping in restaurants.

18:31

I haven't seen that either.

18:32

We- when we go out, if we go out, all three of us go out.

18:36

It used to be over $100.

18:37

Now, doing the same meals and the same drinks,

18:39

we can get up around 80 bucks now.

18:42

I want to see some receipts on that.

18:43

No, I mean, the- the prices are coming down.

18:46

And if not fast enough, then we, the people, should get together

18:49

and do something about it.

18:49

I'm sure the price should do whatever they want.

18:52

You keep-

18:52

I'm so clean.

18:52

We-

18:53

But you keep acting like there's something you can do about it.

18:56

There's not.

18:56

Netflix, Bud Light.

18:59

Right.

18:59

Have they reduced their prices?

19:01

No.

19:01

Netflix, by their CEO.

19:03

But the prices aren't down.

19:05

On Netflix?

19:06

No.

19:06

Yeah, Netflix keeps- Netflix needs to get Netflix again.

19:09

Right.

19:10

But like, again, you keep acting like there's something you can do

19:14

that can improve the situation.

19:15

There's not.

19:16

There is.

19:16

No, there's not.

19:17

As we the people.

19:18

No, there's not.

19:19

Yes.

19:20

The only thing you can do is start your own competing Netflix

19:23

and provide better service for a better cost.

19:25

Like, you- you can't just complain and have things get better.

19:28

It's not how it works.

19:29

Wait.

19:29

I said that exact same word to you and you go,

19:32

both the podcast is how I'm fighting back.

19:34

So the podcast is how I'm fighting back.

19:35

That's fine.

19:36

You're- you're- I am- I'm perfectly on board with you saying,

19:39

I believe that I don't want to spend money when the company does this.

19:43

Fine.

19:43

But like, you're- you're interming it in terms of like, morality,

19:47

where my side is the good, godly people and you people are the satanic,

19:51

cruise- like, no, it's not-

19:53

The government-

19:53

People should spend money where they want to.

19:55

We're not- it doesn't matter.

19:56

For the first time in my life, I think, the government gave people-

20:00

the American people a gift.

20:03

They gave- they did something that was actually good on the surface.

20:07

Okay.

20:07

It's actually good.

20:08

But if it stays right where it's at.

20:10

Okay.

20:10

And I don't think a company should be able to sneak in and fix their bottom line.

20:15

No, that's not how economies work.

20:18

Fuck the economy.

20:19

This is how-

20:20

The economy is you living!

20:22

You eating!

20:23

When you say, fuck the economy, you're saying, I want a star!

20:25

Stop saying stupid things.

20:26

Okay.

20:27

I'm not talking about the economy as a whole.

20:29

I'm saying-

20:29

What you offer!

20:30

If a corporation decides to steal this money back from their employees-

20:34

It's not stealing!

20:35

Yes, it is.

20:35

No, it isn't!

20:36

Yes, it's a gift.

20:37

It's not stealing!

20:39

You have an agreement with your employer that you make X-Wage, it's not stealing!

20:43

You can quit anytime you want!

20:44

Right.

20:45

And open your own fucking restaurant!

20:46

And those employees can let the customers know what's going on, and we're in a society now where we do fight for-

20:53

some people fight for other people.

20:55

I know you don't.

20:55

But you're not-

20:56

That's what you don't get, you're not fighting for other people!

20:59

You're being confused by saying, oh, they're not making more money now.

21:04

So what?

21:05

Who says they're entitled to more money?

21:07

So like I said before the show, this bill, this particular part of the bill is retroactive back in January 1st of 2020.

21:13

Yeah.

21:14

So that means they-

21:15

So this is in effect as of tomorrow at whatever time you sign-

21:19

As soon as you sign it, yeah.

21:20

Yeah, well, yeah.

21:21

So as soon as you sign it, it's the bill.

21:23

Once the auto pen completes the-

21:24

Yeah, once that auto pen gets pushed and suddenly just signs it.

21:29

But if we have like six pages added to it, it's auto pen.

21:32

Oh no, we're not under-bind anymore.

21:34

Let's let this rest a little bit.

21:35

Let's have a conversation again.

21:37

Let's see what the first company is that has the balls to go after this and see what happens.

21:40

What? Like a game, like-

21:42

You're gonna see-

21:43

So because remember, we have X now.

21:46

X.

21:47

You can-

21:47

You're a lot more free on X.

21:50

Mark Zuckerberg can't shut us down.

21:52

Okay.

21:52

Okay.

21:53

So if the FBI goes and, hey, hey, they're going after this really-

21:56

They're going after BlackRock, shut them down, delete all the comments.

21:59

Okay.

22:00

And he does.

22:00

Yeah.

22:01

X hopefully doesn't do that.

22:03

I know they still throttle and they still block and there's-

22:06

But it's a lot free on X right now.

22:08

I'm just saying like stop-

22:09

Let's see if a movement starts because movements are made.

22:12

Okay, but I'm just-

22:13

I'm saying just because your movement achieved, like let's say Applebee's,

22:18

to pick an example at random, I'm not saying Applebee's does this or whatever,

22:21

but let's say the Applebee says we're going to reduce wages so that's and such to account for

22:26

the no tax on tips and people don't like this and they protest and they bitch and they moan.

22:32

And they stop going to Applebee's and Applebee goes out of business.

22:35

Are those employees better off now?

22:36

They have no job.

22:38

See this is what drives me fucking crazy.

22:41

See now your chairman just answered the question are they better off?

22:44

I'm going to give you an example.

22:45

When the auto industry was failing and we had to bail them out, they're like, oh my god,

22:49

we have to have cars.

22:51

People need cars to buy.

22:52

We have to bail these companies out.

22:54

No, we don't need to bail them out.

22:55

Let them-

22:56

I'm not saying bail them out.

22:57

Let them fail.

22:59

And if a hundred cars are sold a month,

23:00

a hundred cars are going to be sold a month again.

23:02

They'll just go to Chevy versus-

23:04

I didn't say bail.

23:05

And he's like, yeah, I said are these workers who have now lost their jobs better off?

23:10

I guess I'll get my crayons out and draw this out for you then.

23:13

You're not answering.

23:14

So the same amount of people that go out to eat every day are still going to go out to eat.

23:19

They're going to be shoving fucking food down their fucking pie hole.

23:22

Okay.

23:23

Whether they do an Applebee's, TGIF, a local place, they're still going to go out.

23:28

So if there's a hole brought in the market, then other companies hire these people.

23:32

So yes, though, we'll sacrifice a company, which we might have to do.

23:38

And you're better off because you got a job somewhere else that is respecting you

23:42

and respecting the gift the government gave you.

23:44

But you're assuming that the people are going to do this.

23:46

You're assuming that the people aren't going to reduce their tips.

23:49

If this was five years, so will people reduce their tips?

23:52

Then I believe.

23:53

I mean, tips have been going up.

23:55

When I was growing up, you tip like 12%.

23:59

You got to tip 20%.

24:00

You got to tip 30%.

24:01

They turn the fucking iPad around.

24:03

You got to tip 80%.

24:04

Tip 100%.

24:05

Well, okay.

24:06

So there was a movement, try to get tip 20% at the bar.

24:10

I'm like, I took a dollar a drink.

24:11

Sorry.

24:13

But here's the question.

24:14

If you know that.

24:15

I tip way more than fucking whatever.

24:18

If you buy a $45 hamburger, which exists on the strip, do you tip 20% of that?

24:24

Well, actually, so I'm different because I comp all that shit.

24:29

So like, I'll tip 50% sometimes.

24:31

Well, okay, because you got to comp.

24:34

Right.

24:34

But I'm saying if you go out to dinner, you're going to buy a $45 hamburger.

24:38

Are you going to tip 20% of that hamburger?

24:40

I'm right.

24:40

It depends on the service.

24:41

I mean, if I'm in and out within 45 minutes or a half an hour, I'm done.

24:45

I would tip probably 20 bucks.

24:48

I wouldn't tip 20% on the 40.

24:51

Well, that's more than 50%.

24:52

No, no, no.

24:54

When I go out, I go out with my family.

24:56

Oh, yeah.

24:56

So you have the one person.

24:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:59

I tip based on the service.

25:00

Like, if you have bad service, I'm fucking reducing that tip.

25:03

Yeah.

25:03

Double gets me though, is you got to touch on it a second ago.

25:07

They put down the amount you should tip.

25:10

18% is okay.

25:12

20% is good.

25:13

Right.

25:13

25% is great.

25:15

And they put a total next to it because apparently we can't do math anymore.

25:18

No, but.

25:18

What do they do?

25:20

They do things that really pisses me off in that.

25:22

The auto tip?

25:24

They put that 15% or 20%.

25:27

They do it off the taxed.

25:29

Oh, yeah.

25:30

Okay.

25:30

I don't tip on that.

25:32

Right.

25:32

Yeah, you don't tip on tax.

25:33

I don't tip on tax.

25:34

Right.

25:34

But they, but if you're, if you're looking at the bill,

25:36

Right.

25:37

I may tip more than 20%, but I'm not tipping both the 20% based on my taxed amount.

25:44

Right.

25:44

I go off my pre tax.

25:46

Right.

25:47

I mean, yeah.

25:48

So, no, I mean, yeah, it's tipping is a very sensitive issue.

25:52

I don't want to get on the wrong side of, I actually got into an argument, the guy on

25:56

the X about this and I'm just like, um, oh, it was a force tipping.

26:01

Oh, yeah.

26:01

Okay.

26:02

I end up just telling the guy, I'm sorry that you're such a fucking shitty server that

26:06

your company has to force people to tip you.

26:08

Because I,

26:09

You're talking about like the six person or more or just the,

26:11

No, it's a service fee.

26:13

It's a 20% service fee.

26:15

Okay.

26:15

So you, see you later.

26:16

I'm going to this restaurant.

26:17

See, like this is, I'm boycotting, but I'm not going to say you should boycott.

26:20

No, I'm going to boycott.

26:22

And if you ask me why, I'll tell you why, but like, I don't believe in the should nonsense.

26:26

Everyone should choose for themselves what they want to do.

26:29

And then like, stop going on Twitter informing movements.

26:31

Because it's fucking, you're creating a mob of people who don't think for themselves.

26:36

That's what really object to.

26:38

So I love it when a group of people come together and affect change in a corporation.

26:42

Yeah.

26:43

But you don't know that change is good.

26:44

That's the problem.

26:45

Like you know what?

26:45

You're just mob mentality.

26:46

Like just do it.

26:47

Just do it.

26:48

You don't know that the result is good or not.

26:49

Always care if it's good or not.

26:51

And you should.

26:52

I care that it happened.

26:53

Why is it so stupid?

26:54

Because the company's going to go, well, they did it to them.

26:56

They can do it to us.

26:58

You don't think.

26:59

But we can always do it.

27:00

They know that they already know that.

27:01

You don't think that Miller, Kors, Stroze, they don't, you don't think they're buttholes

27:07

puckered.

27:07

I think they always, they always like, they forget sometimes every once in a while.

27:11

So they always know it deep down.

27:13

So in the past, people used to be like, oh, it'll blow over.

27:17

It'll blow 30 days.

27:18

Next new cycle, it'll blow over.

27:20

Well, guess what?

27:21

With social media and the passionate people, the shift's not blown over anymore.

27:25

And we're affecting change.

27:26

Why am I not allowed as an American citizen to try and affect change in a corporation?

27:29

You aren't just saying like, why are you chestizing me for it?

27:32

Because of the way you're going about it, right?

27:34

Like you're saying, yo, shut up, do this.

27:36

And this is a moral thing.

27:37

And let us know you're encouraging people to not think.

27:41

Okay.

27:43

If, sure.

27:44

I mean, maybe I don't, I don't know, I don't know how to respond to that.

27:47

Well, that's what you're doing.

27:48

You're creating a mob.

27:49

Like stop trying to create a mob and start trying to create thinking consumers who actually

27:54

like take the time to research and then think what's actually better and what's worse and

28:01

talk to the servers.

28:02

Are you better off?

28:03

Do you like this change?

28:04

Are you making more money?

28:05

Right.

28:06

Nobody wants to talk to the servers.

28:07

Did you fall asleep last night and wake up the 1980s?

28:10

What?

28:10

That's like old mentality, dude.

28:12

It's, it's a, we don't think for ourselves anymore.

28:14

That's what we need to bring it back.

28:15

We got our schools telling us our kids want to wear.

28:17

We need to bring that back.

28:18

That's the problem.

28:19

We got no, no haggle pricing.

28:21

Okay.

28:21

Think about it.

28:22

Like hard doers.

28:22

Think about this, right?

28:24

When the Washington Redskins wanted to change the name of the team because it's offensive,

28:30

right?

28:31

All these Native American groups came out and said, well, we're not affected by that.

28:34

Yeah.

28:34

Yeah.

28:34

But that's what you're doing.

28:36

Like you're, you're trying to make change without even asking the people involved.

28:41

Hey, how do you feel about this?

28:42

How does this affect you?

28:43

Can you show me like what you do data?

28:46

So if I could interview people with a company, you should hold on with a company lowers.

28:51

So a typical bartender makes 15 bucks an hour.

28:53

Okay.

28:53

Okay.

28:53

I don't know.

28:54

That's what it is.

28:55

So minimum wage in this state is like nine or 10.

28:58

I don't know exactly what it is.

28:59

Let's say a restaurant goes, you know what?

29:01

Where's our pain of art?

29:02

It has been in the wage now.

29:03

Okay.

29:03

You think I have to ask these people if they're going to be pissed off?

29:07

It's not about are they pissed off?

29:09

It's are, are you better off, worse off or the same?

29:14

We're all better off if we sacrifice a company.

29:17

No, you're, you're, you're a suit.

29:19

Again, you're assuming that there's this pile of money out there that the bartenders just

29:23

can't get at.

29:24

And if we change this one rule, suddenly the bartenders can get that money.

29:28

Well, that's not how the economy works.

29:30

Again, you're going to the economy.

29:32

I'm going to the at the restaurant.

29:34

There is that pile of cash.

29:35

I made $5 an hour more before the no tax on tips and my company took that $5 hour away

29:40

for me and I can't get to it anymore.

29:42

It's a pile of cash.

29:43

It's right there.

29:44

They're taking away from you.

29:44

I just can't get to it.

29:45

They're not taking it away.

29:46

It's not yours.

29:47

They're taking it.

29:48

If they lower your hourly rate, they are taking it away from you.

29:51

No, they're not.

29:52

You're not entitled to a specific wage.

29:55

You get the market rate.

29:57

Technically you are.

29:58

No, you're not.

29:58

If you got a job offer letter and it says...

30:03

Yeah, but bartenders don't get that.

30:06

I mean, I guess you could break down to how they advertise the position,

30:09

that they put it in writing.

30:10

But again, I don't...

30:11

Right, but they could just fire all the current bartenders and rehire new ones at the new wage.

30:14

I don't...

30:15

So are they better often?

30:16

Well, no, that's not to do that.

30:18

No, but if you have all these rules and...

30:19

So sacrifice...

30:20

That's what you're going to do.

30:21

Take the company out behind the woodshed.

30:23

No, see, that's not the answer.

30:25

By the way, I'm not abean shooting you.

30:27

That's like an old reference to an old yellow movie where the dog was dying

30:31

and they had to leave the dog out behind the woodshed.

30:33

I'm not...

30:33

Don't kill Luigi out of jail.

30:36

I don't need any more CEOs to steal.

30:37

All I'm saying is stop pretending you're the moral crusader just like the Washington Redskins.

30:41

No, I'm the obstructionist.

30:42

You don't fucking care about the actual people.

30:43

No, you're not.

30:44

No, I love to be an obstructionist.

30:45

So that's not relevant.

30:47

No, it is.

30:48

If I could be the turd in the punch bowl of Applebee's, I will gladly be the turd in the punch bowl.

30:55

You might end up hurting the people you claim you're trying to help.

30:58

I'm telling you right now, 100 people eat out a day, 100 people eat out the next day.

31:02

This is not how the economy works.

31:03

That's not how the economy works.

31:05

So people are going to be like, oh, let's go to Applebee's.

31:08

Closed.

31:09

Fuck it, let's go to the grocery store and buy food.

31:11

No, that's not how eating out works.

31:14

No, but what's going to happen is they're going to go to TGI Friday.

31:16

Yes.

31:16

And then TGI Friday's going to say, oh man, it's like a two hour wait because everybody's here now.

31:20

And they're going to say, well, we're not going to fucking wait two hours.

31:22

We're going to go home.

31:24

Right? Like you can't.

31:25

That would fix itself very quickly because what would wait, what would TGIF do if they had a two

31:32

hour wait?

31:32

Well, there's a couple things they could do.

31:33

How could they fix that problem?

31:34

There's a couple things they could do.

31:35

They could hire more people.

31:36

No, because no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not the answer though.

31:40

Okay.

31:41

Because they have a limited space and they have limited tables at that space.

31:44

So you maybe can hire like one or two more people.

31:46

Yeah.

31:46

But the actual answer is have more hours, right?

31:51

Because we cut back during COVID.

31:53

Like there were so many 24 hour places that aren't here anymore.

31:55

Now it's not going to cover everything because a lot of people only want to go out of their time.

31:58

I mean, we're, we're, we're a 24 hour city.

32:00

So we used to be.

32:01

Right.

32:01

We're, we've talked like maybe, but yeah.

32:04

So no, the real answer to that problem is you need to either raise your prices, right?

32:10

So that, well actually it's both.

32:12

It's one, raise your prices and two, build more locations.

32:16

Okay.

32:16

But now the problem is you can't just build more locations because the government is going to

32:20

fucking stop you from doing that.

32:22

Well, hold on though.

32:23

What if you could not build and just like take over the Lisa somewhere like an Applebee's?

32:29

Right.

32:29

But then there's another building that has to be.

32:31

That's signed down.

32:32

Put the T-shirt here for this sign up.

32:34

Come on in.

32:35

We're open for business.

32:36

It's like a day.

32:38

I mean, I can even make the sign form on a cardboard.

32:40

Okay.

32:40

So now you got to pay for that building.

32:42

Yes.

32:43

Right.

32:43

And now you got to make that money back for that building that you paid for.

32:45

Yes.

32:46

So you got to raise your prices.

32:47

A hundred people are going to eat on a day no matter what.

32:48

I'm telling you it's not as simple as you're trying to make a bee.

32:51

So what?

32:52

So stop acting like it is.

32:54

Because you can't.

32:55

I can't prove it is and you can't prove it's not.

32:57

No, it's not.

32:57

I know it's not.

32:58

No, in your mind it's not.

33:00

No, it's just not.

33:00

But you have this little pocket.

33:01

The economy is not simple.

33:03

You can't just say let's tweak this one little rule and everything will be better.

33:06

You can't do that.

33:07

So going back to the car dealership analogy, do you think less people would have bought cars

33:12

if Chevy went out of business?

33:15

Do I think less people?

33:18

I don't know.

33:19

Like there's no way to know that.

33:20

That's the problem.

33:21

If a hundred people bought a car for the last 60 months, a very low number.

33:26

But if a hundred people bought a car every month for 60 months at a row,

33:30

you don't think 61 month is going to be a hundred people?

33:32

There's no way to predict that.

33:34

That's the economy doesn't behave the way you want it to.

33:36

This is why every time...

33:37

The only thing that changes is Chevy went out of business.

33:40

This is why every time you come to the meetup, we have this tiny little book that's like

33:44

60 pages long that's called Economics in One Lesson.

33:47

And we all say you Ron, read this book and you never read it.

33:51

Read the fucking book, Ron.

33:52

You don't know I won't because I asked you, you don't do this.

33:56

I ask other people, what's your opinion on this?

33:58

Well, in this book it says this.

34:00

I don't fucking care what the book says.

34:02

What is your opinion?

34:04

Okay, right.

34:05

So read multiple books on the issue, use your brain to formulate an opinion on your opinion,

34:12

and let those words come out of your mouth.

34:14

Okay.

34:14

Okay.

34:15

When somebody goes, well, this book says this, I'm done.

34:18

I'm done.

34:18

I'm out.

34:18

Okay.

34:19

Again, this book is like 60 pages long.

34:21

It's not an opinion book.

34:23

It's a book about how to properly think about economics.

34:26

And I cannot possibly deliver the value of that book to you better than the book will.

34:31

But what makes this guy right?

34:33

Read it and find out.

34:37

Henry Hazlett.

34:38

I haven't heard it.

34:38

Okay.

34:38

He's an old school.

34:40

If you say little freedman, I'd probably be like, okay.

34:42

No, no, he's an old schooler.

34:43

He was in that class.

34:44

Yeah, okay.

34:45

Try, dude, read the fucking book.

34:47

Like I'll fucking go to the next meetup.

34:49

I'll get a copy.

34:49

I will bring it here.

34:51

Read the book.

34:51

Will you read it to me on the podcast?

34:53

No.

34:53

It's like 60 pages long.

34:54

You can sit there and read it.

34:55

I'll get my little sleepy hat on with the little ball at the top of it.

34:58

Read the book.

34:59

And I'll just go crazy.

35:00

Again, it's not an opinion book.

35:03

It's, it's, it's a fact book, but it's his facts.

35:07

Yes.

35:08

Okay.

35:08

It's not even a fact.

35:09

It's not even a fact book.

35:10

Because a fact book is like, okay, I recorded this stuff I saw in the world.

35:13

He's not doing that.

35:14

He's explaining how to properly think about these economic issues.

35:19

So if somebody was, what do you call that thing that's got like two hard covers and a bunch of

35:23

like soft stuff in the middle with a bunch of words written on it?

35:25

Oreo.

35:26

And a bunch of lies on it?

35:27

Or, or you'll cook.

35:27

What do you call that thing?

35:28

Oreo cookies.

35:29

It's a book.

35:30

A book can be full of lies.

35:31

It's a real book.

35:32

Fine, but read it.

35:33

But it can still be full of lies.

35:34

Okay.

35:34

If everybody that's, that's smarter than you about economics.

35:38

Who's smarter than me?

35:38

Oh, yeah.

35:39

Yeah.

35:40

You'll find that statement.

35:41

Okay.

35:42

Is telling you to read this book and it's only 60 pages.

35:44

It's not a fucking long ass complicated book.

35:47

There's no math equations.

35:48

You don't have to do homework.

35:49

There's no like problem solving.

35:50

Read the 60 pages long.

35:52

Read the book is in plain fucking English.

35:53

It's basically written for a high school level.

35:55

How many words per page?

35:56

I know it's a very small book.

35:58

Read the book.

35:58

Large print or small print?

35:59

Read the book.

36:02

All right.

36:02

I mean, I just finished my first book the other day.

36:04

Oh my God.

36:06

You're supposed to go, you wrote a book.

36:07

Was it a good night, was it a good night, Boone or what?

36:09

No, you're supposed to go, oh, you wrote a book?

36:11

No, I read one.

36:12

Yeah.

36:14

No, my wife is, she's learned it through universities and stuff and book writing and

36:21

books.

36:22

Her and I argue all the time because I'm just like,

36:24

how do I know that person's right?

36:26

Just because they scribble it down on a piece of paper, doesn't make it right.

36:30

I understand.

36:31

But like you just said to read all these other things and form your own opinion.

36:35

Well, if you don't read it, you can't form your opinion.

36:36

So if I read that book, I have to read more books.

36:38

No, you don't.

36:39

To form my opinion.

36:41

See how fucking annoying that is?

36:42

You don't.

36:43

I'd really just be a blowhard.

36:44

Because again, you're more fun than being a blowhard.

36:47

Because again, this is not a fact-based book.

36:49

It's not like the moon landing.

36:51

So it's not a fact, it's not what, wait, the moon landing was.

36:53

It's philosophy.

36:54

It's like, think about it philosophy.

36:55

It's a way to think.

36:56

No, no, I actually like philosophy books.

36:58

Okay, then read the book.

36:58

If I were to say what books I've read, what type of books I've read the most of,

37:03

it's been philosophy and also the other one, which is probably very,

37:07

fairly similar to philosophy, telling how people,

37:11

figuring out if people are lying or not, by based on

37:13

back body movements and eyes and which direction their eyeballs go,

37:18

and setting the baseline up.

37:19

So I read those books a lot.

37:20

Okay.

37:21

Which is, I still think it's kind of a philosophy book.

37:25

And then whoever wrote the Lindy Bruce book, this book right here,

37:29

stop writing books, dude.

37:31

You took an amazing comic and you just fucked it up.

37:37

So hopefully he's not alive and gonna sue me.

37:42

That's my opinion.

37:42

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

37:44

Well, Pete did he might sue us because we're gonna talk about him.

37:47

Oh, the P did, Lord.

37:48

Well, so he is guilty.

37:51

Yeah.

37:51

Of some things.

37:52

Well, those charges make no sense to me, by the way, but we'll get into that.

37:56

So, so he had five charges against him or four.

38:00

Four or five, I forget.

38:01

And yeah, there was four, two very serious ones.

38:04

Yeah.

38:05

Like traffic, a racketeering and Rico.

38:08

Those not guilty on, but then he got down guilty on

38:12

transporting prostitutes across state life.

38:16

But then I was watching the news and they broke down that all the women that he was

38:19

trafficking or taking across the, they were all his girlfriend at the time.

38:24

Now I'm not saying, I think it was because he was bringing them to sleep with another guy.

38:30

But okay.

38:30

So definitely your prostitution.

38:32

Yeah.

38:32

Pain for sex.

38:33

There were payments.

38:34

Okay.

38:35

Was there a cover charge to get through the door?

38:37

I think so.

38:38

That's not paying for prostitution.

38:40

I know I didn't do a deep dive, but I think what happened was is

38:44

Pete, did he was sitting in the cup chair while the, the John was fucking his girlfriend

38:49

who paid for it and the P did, he was like videotaping it.

38:53

Paid for it.

38:55

That's what that, that's the very shallow level that I read.

38:58

Oh no.

38:59

What the fuck?

39:01

Why are the girls being arrested?

39:02

I don't know.

39:03

They're prostitutes.

39:05

Well, he pimped them and like he coerced them and whatever.

39:08

He was not found guilty on trafficking.

39:10

I don't know dude.

39:11

He was not found guilty on trafficking.

39:12

That's not how courts work.

39:13

You're like, that's just not how it works.

39:14

Well, no, I, I made the call a couple of weeks ago.

39:16

He was going to be off completely.

39:17

I mean, like they do this all the time where, uh, if I, if you and I commit a crime,

39:21

we grab a bank and I agree to testify against you in exchange for immunity.

39:28

They're allowed to do that.

39:29

It's the word prostitute.

39:30

They, they, they just drives me crazy because one prostitution, two people.

39:35

I mean, I don't, I mean, can I, can I pay myself for sex?

39:39

I, you can.

39:40

I mean, is that illegal?

39:41

I don't know.

39:42

I mean, I take the money in my right hand.

39:44

I'm sure that I put it in my left hand.

39:45

I'm sure the statute specifies that kind of stuff.

39:48

Yeah, I don't know.

39:49

But they, the charges were all fucked anyway.

39:53

I don't know if it's a setup to let him get off or if they have so much information, they go,

39:59

well, we can't release this because it makes Obama look guilty.

40:02

We can't release this because it makes a bunch of Hollywood people guilty.

40:05

We mentioned this a long time ago when this whole thing started, uh, is that

40:10

he, he said something that pissed off his handlers and they were going to like,

40:16

that's what I think.

40:17

Make it obvious that, hey, we can, we can do what we want to you.

40:22

And this is your warning.

40:23

Right.

40:23

This is his warning.

40:24

I, I agree.

40:25

So I think, I think that's what's going on here.

40:27

And yeah.

40:28

The one problem with that is that it was the jury that found him guilty and not guilty.

40:34

So there was the day before the, um, the decision from the jury came,

40:40

they contacted the judge and they were trying to get a jury, a member removed

40:45

because he was uncooperative.

40:47

Oh, okay.

40:48

So we don't know if there are, because, okay, let's, let's just

40:53

understand you could have plans in a jury.

40:56

I mean, I referenced the New York case against Trump where there were no charges,

41:03

but yet they found him guilty of 34 charges when there was none.

41:07

So you can have people in the jury paid and say, and say, and do a certain,

41:10

so they control the jury.

41:12

Yeah, I don't know.

41:13

I don't know, man.

41:14

So I believe he pissed somebody off and this was a smackdown.

41:18

And I also believe what, what he should be on bail.

41:21

I am not sticking up for this man.

41:23

I do not want him out of prison.

41:25

I do not, if I had children or my wife would never be around, be allowed to be around that man.

41:32

But by the law, I don't think they have a right to hold him in jail without,

41:38

you can say he's, he's on a flight risk, but you have to understand his lawyers are probably

41:43

telling him he could get time served and be done.

41:46

Yeah.

41:47

So why would he, why would he flight if, if he's done?

41:51

Cause if you can go to, he can easily get to a country where there's no extradition treatment.

41:54

He can never come back and see his family.

41:56

I don't think he cared.

41:57

Dude, what family?

41:59

What are you talking about?

42:00

Oh yeah, huge family.

42:01

He's got twins.

42:02

He's got, um, uh, Tucson.

42:04

He can just get, bring them to him.

42:05

He doesn't give a fuck.

42:07

I don't, I don't think he's a flight risk.

42:09

And so what?

42:10

So who is in a flight risk?

42:11

A lot of people aren't.

42:12

Who?

42:12

Who?

42:14

People who don't have private planes.

42:15

Who can't walk across Canada's border and get on a plane to Canada?

42:18

The fucking border is what?

42:20

2000, 3000 miles long.

42:22

People who don't have any money.

42:23

You can walk across it.

42:24

Yeah, right.

42:25

Have you seen some of these people that they've like fucking put on trial?

42:28

They're like 300 pounds.

42:29

They, they, you know, lose some goddamn weight.

42:31

Yeah.

42:31

Well, they're not going to, that's what I'm saying.

42:32

They're not a flight risk.

42:35

Or they have like a sick mom.

42:37

I think it's, like people are,

42:39

Thank you.

42:39

You're using weird analogies.

42:41

He's like, what?

42:41

That's what's exactly,

42:42

His dogs dying and he wants to be.

42:44

That's what they literally argue in court to the judge.

42:46

He's like, I have a sick mom.

42:47

He's not going to fly.

42:48

He's not going to risk.

42:49

Okay.

42:50

So the, the, the two charges that had violence attached to them, not guilty.

42:56

Yeah.

42:56

So right there says he should be released on bail.

42:58

Well, no, wait, wait.

43:01

But the, the, the standard to bring charges is probable cause.

43:04

Right.

43:05

So they allegedly had probable cause and he did these things.

43:08

But they were wrong though.

43:09

Per the jury, per our justice system.

43:10

No, it's not that they were wrong.

43:13

It's that.

43:14

They were wrong.

43:15

So, no, no.

43:16

Probable cause means 51% likely.

43:19

That's what it means.

43:19

That's what it means.

43:20

No, I know what you're saying.

43:21

I'm just like,

43:21

And, and guilty means 99.99999%.

43:25

What does not guilty mean?

43:26

So not guilty means somewhere in between.

43:29

Right.

43:29

Cause it's, it's guilt beyond reasonable doubts.

43:32

So if, if the jury thinks, well, we're 65% likely that he did.

43:37

So he may be trying again for those charges.

43:38

No.

43:39

Can he, can the judge in two years go, you know what,

43:42

you should serve seven years, go to jail for seven years.

43:45

So he's not guilty on those charges.

43:47

Right.

43:47

So they're done.

43:48

They're over.

43:48

Yeah, they're done.

43:49

Okay.

43:49

So it's a zero.

43:50

And you're analogy.

43:51

It's not a zero.

43:52

It's a zero.

43:52

No.

43:53

It has to be.

43:53

It's not a zero.

43:54

And the, and the eyes of the law, it has to be looked at as zero.

43:57

No, it's not zero.

43:58

It's the other thing.

43:59

The video they showed of him beating up that girl in the hotel.

44:01

Uh-huh.

44:02

Why was that allowed to be shown?

44:04

Um, I, I, somebody, again, I didn't deep dive this,

44:08

but somebody mentioned that she's one of the prostitutes.

44:10

Give us a, give us a fuck.

44:12

Well, I think that, that whole beating incident was during

44:15

one of his sessions.

44:17

So that was part of the trial.

44:18

Okay.

44:19

Assuming that that's correct.

44:20

I don't know.

44:20

So he was never charged with that.

44:22

No, I'm saying, I'm saying that incident.

44:25

I know, I know.

44:26

He was never found guilty of it.

44:27

Okay.

44:28

He, it's a state charge, not a federal charge.

44:30

Yeah.

44:30

So that video should not have been shown.

44:34

No, that's not, that's not, that's not the.

44:35

That does not fall.

44:36

That does not fall.

44:36

That does not fall.

44:38

Because again, like I said, I didn't deep dive on this.

44:40

I don't, I didn't verify it.

44:41

But what the, what I heard.

44:43

You're probably right.

44:44

Because the video was during a prostitution session.

44:48

Therefore it is evidence of that event.

44:50

So we saw money change hands.

44:52

We saw her having sex with another man.

44:54

No.

44:55

Wait, what, wait, prostitution charges.

44:57

We saw.

44:57

Hold on, hold on, prostitution charges.

45:00

We, what else could we say?

45:01

Okay.

45:01

Do you somehow think that if there's like a robbery of a convenience store

45:06

and they show the, the surveillance footage of the convenience store?

45:10

Yeah.

45:10

Like, and for example, like you saw

45:14

the guy steal a Twinkie before he robbed the place.

45:16

Okay.

45:17

Would you say that's prejudicial?

45:18

You can't show that?

45:19

No, it's part of the same event.

45:20

It was in the commission of the crime.

45:22

Yes.

45:22

That's what this was.

45:23

Allegedly.

45:24

Okay.

45:24

Again, it's a word prostitute that really throws me off.

45:28

But there was, okay, if you, if I see a man put a Twinkie in a pocket.

45:32

Yeah.

45:32

I see that.

45:33

Yeah.

45:34

If you want to say this happened during the prostitution.

45:37

Right.

45:37

What we're saying, the crime you're on trial for is pointing a gun at the cashier

45:41

and, and robbing the money.

45:43

Not the Twinkie.

45:43

It's so robbery though.

45:45

Right.

45:45

But we're not talking about the Twinkie.

45:46

The Twinkie is not on, you're not on trial for the Twinkie.

45:48

Okay.

45:48

That's the state charge.

45:49

It's difference.

45:50

The state has to handle that.

45:52

Okay.

45:52

But they're showing the full video.

45:53

They're showing you taking the Twinkie.

45:55

Okay.

45:56

That's the same thing.

45:57

No, it's not.

45:58

It is.

45:59

Because what in that video proves that that was part of the prostitution?

46:03

Well, what in the part of the video with the Twinkie proves that he robbed the, the, the court?

46:06

If he goes Twinkie pocket gun money.

46:11

Yeah.

46:11

But you should, you should cut out the part with the Twinkie.

46:12

That's about relevance.

46:14

It's still that from a store.

46:15

But that's not what he's on charge for.

46:17

It's still a state crime.

46:19

But he's not being charged with the Twinkie.

46:20

Then let it go.

46:22

Then don't show it.

46:22

I mean, what, what, what, what, what, what, what would you show it?

46:26

You just show the whole video.

46:27

That's what you do.

46:28

So, because, because there you get a sympathetic jerk.

46:31

Oh, well he was still on the Twinkie because he was hungry.

46:34

Okay.

46:34

Well, that's their risk.

46:35

So don't show the video.

46:36

That's their risk.

46:37

That's the prosecution choice.

46:38

But there was nothing in that video that linked him to the charges.

46:42

Was it what he did in the video?

46:43

Well, no, so like it proves that he was in the building

46:47

where the alleged events are played.

46:49

There was a hotel.

46:50

All right.

46:51

So they even freak off at hotels.

46:54

Yes.

46:54

He was in the cup, you know what a cup chair is?

46:57

Yeah, but I know, but I don't understand.

46:59

All right.

46:59

Well, no, let's, let's, let's go.

47:01

So when you go to a hotel, there's always that chair in the corner

47:04

and you're like, who, why would you sit in that chair?

47:06

That's the cup chair.

47:07

Every hotel has a cup chair.

47:08

Yes.

47:10

I've sat in those chairs before.

47:11

Oh, wow.

47:12

There you go.

47:13

I used to work in the cup chair.

47:17

I did not know.

47:20

I don't know.

47:25

I think your theory is likely correct, but the, you can't control a chair.

47:30

You can't, you just can't.

47:31

No, you can't.

47:32

You can try, but you can't actually do it.

47:34

If it's a setup from the get go.

47:36

Yeah, you can't.

47:38

There's too many fucking variables in there.

47:39

It's just too hard.

47:40

They'd explain the Trump jury to me.

47:43

It was New York.

47:45

Everybody in New York, they can follow purple hair you're in.

47:47

Let's go.

47:49

That's easy.

47:50

Has your hair ever been purple?

47:52

Right.

47:52

I accept this.

47:53

This is fucking easy, man.

47:55

So no, I do believe that it can be, juries can be manipulated.

48:01

The list might go out the day before that actually comes out and you have your chance.

48:05

Yeah.

48:05

And guess what?

48:07

I don't know.

48:07

Because the defense attorney would be all over that shit.

48:09

They weren't sequestered either.

48:12

So, I don't know why he would sit in the court.

48:15

Okay, okay, okay.

48:17

Oh, you're going on the bus?

48:19

Here, why don't you go buy a car?

48:20

Yeah, so I guess you can bribe them and threaten them and whatever,

48:24

but that doesn't mean they're going to do what you want, right?

48:26

Like it makes it more likely for sure, but it doesn't mean they're going to do it.

48:30

So in the voting in the jury room, is that foyable?

48:36

No.

48:36

So it's private?

48:38

Yeah.

48:39

And the, which it should be.

48:41

Which it should be.

48:41

Depending on how the jury voted, like even the jury doesn't know how the other members voted,

48:45

because you can do secret ballot.

48:47

Yeah.

48:49

Okay.

48:50

I don't know.

48:50

I think jurors, they're penetratable.

48:53

Of course they are, but there's no guarantees or anything.

48:57

If a big burly dude with tattoos comes up to you and it's like, hey, $20,000, he's not guilty.

49:05

And you go, okay, do you think you're going to go guilty?

49:10

Right.

49:10

But if 11 people say guilty and I say not guilty, like.

49:13

Hung jury.

49:15

Yeah.

49:16

At some point they're going to realize I'm holding out for some bullshit reason.

49:20

Okay.

49:21

And they're going to call the job.

49:22

They're going to tattle on the judge.

49:23

Okay.

49:23

So if you were on the jury, and it was a murder, and they had a video of the guy shooting the guy,

49:29

yeah.

49:29

What would you, how would you plead?

49:32

Well, that's not good enough.

49:34

Well, because before you said no matter what, if I'm on a jury,

49:38

I'm going to say the guy is not guilty.

49:39

No, I didn't say that.

49:40

Yes, you did.

49:41

Yes, you did.

49:42

I did not say it no matter what.

49:43

You said, well.

49:45

So, so here's the, okay.

49:48

When you say there's a video of the guy, I know he did the act.

49:50

Okay.

49:51

And as far as assuming the video is real, not AI, whatever.

49:54

And these days you can't even prove that anymore.

49:56

So I don't know, but let's, let's assume I believe the video.

50:00

Yeah.

50:00

The video is real.

50:00

Does that mean he committed the statutory crime of murder?

50:04

Okay.

50:04

Not necessarily.

50:05

It could be manslaughter.

50:06

Did you see the video?

50:07

Could be self-defense.

50:08

Did you see the video of the YouTuber shooting the YouTuber?

50:11

I did not.

50:11

I still haven't seen that.

50:12

I don't care.

50:12

I still care.

50:13

Well, because, okay, because there's a video of him pulling a gun out and shooting it.

50:16

Well, there's a video of Kyle Rittenhouse shooting some guy.

50:19

He did not commit murder.

50:20

It's self-defense.

50:22

Well, but there he was on the ground on his back.

50:24

I write so like you're saying a video of the guy shooting a guy is not good enough.

50:28

Okay.

50:28

You agree with me.

50:29

Okay.

50:30

It's like, it's so, it's actually so fucking hard to prove all the elements

50:36

of these crimes that it's a fucking tragedy that defense attorneys

50:40

are not doing their fucking jobs.

50:41

I mean, like you and juries just fucking phone it in.

50:44

Like it's such a fucking problem.

50:46

And every time I talk to a smart person who understands this stuff and I say,

50:50

well, when you get that jury notice, what do you do?

50:52

Oh, I was going to grab garbage.

50:53

Dude, fucking do your jury duty.

50:55

This is the fucking one way we can fight them back.

50:58

Like what the fuck, man?

50:59

So I have more of a problem with prosecutors.

51:03

Oh, they're terrible.

51:04

One, because there's five laws that say the exact same fucking thing.

51:08

Yeah.

51:09

And they charge you all five times.

51:10

Yeah.

51:10

Well, no, they go, well, I think they only charge with one of the deputies.

51:14

You would think.

51:16

Well, whatever.

51:17

Depends on what state you're in.

51:18

So, so the fact that there's multiple laws for one crime, I think is a, is a help to the defense.

51:25

Because it leaves it open for more interpretation.

51:27

You go like, well, they aren't charging him with murder, but they could have charged him with murder one.

51:35

Right.

51:35

But they didn't.

51:36

So why did they charge him with murder?

51:38

And why, why not manslaughter?

51:40

Yeah.

51:40

When it's all, you know, you can kind of confuse the jury because they did compare that jury to the OJ jury.

51:46

Yeah.

51:47

But the OJ jury was confused with DNA.

51:50

Right.

51:50

Because I think that may have been the first time DNA was running.

51:52

It wasn't a major trial.

51:53

It was a major trial.

51:54

So, and that's what confused the jury.

51:57

And I don't know if that happened here.

51:58

Well, so, I, you know, we kind of talked, covered this on the show where we talked about the 23andMe shit.

52:05

I don't know if I believe DNA evidence anymore.

52:08

I don't know.

52:08

I do either.

52:09

Because like, it's not that I don't believe in the science.

52:12

The science is fucking rock solid.

52:13

But you can't put the science on that trial and ask it questions.

52:18

Right.

52:18

You can only put people up there and ask the people questions.

52:22

And those people are fucking lying all the fucking time.

52:25

Right.

52:26

And it's like, when you have a fucking forensic lab that the prosecutors work with,

52:30

they're getting paid to be there.

52:31

Okay.

52:32

They're getting paid to answer the questions that the prosecutor goes over ahead of time.

52:37

Right.

52:37

They fucking coach them on the questions they're going to ask.

52:40

They can talk to the other witnesses against you and corroborate their fucking stories.

52:46

How can I can't, as a jury member, I cannot go into the DNA lab and verify chain of custody.

52:53

The machines all work.

52:54

Right.

52:54

I'm just listening to some dickhead say, yeah, I verified it.

52:57

Yep.

52:57

Yep.

52:57

Yep.

52:58

Thanks for my payment, Mr. Prosecutor.

53:00

It's all fucking, they're all lying.

53:02

I thought there was a scientific reason not to trust DNA anymore.

53:06

Not really.

53:06

No, DNA is like very reliable.

53:08

Assuming they did it right, which how do you know?

53:10

You're just, you're talking to a guy who says it's not right.

53:13

I have to look into that because that's when there was something that...

53:17

Well, so generally, they get it down to, allegedly, they get it down to a one in a billion match.

53:25

And there's eight billion people in the world.

53:27

So you could say, well, it could have been eight other people, but then like those other eight

53:31

people were in India, right?

53:33

They didn't do it.

53:34

So yeah, it's very solid assuming everything was done properly, which you cannot fucking prove

53:41

that to a jury as far as I'm concerned.

53:44

Nobody can prove anything is done properly anymore.

53:46

Right.

53:46

And it's a huge problem because juries keep voting guilty.

53:49

People are incompetent at their jobs.

53:51

People will fuck stuff to get certain things done.

53:54

There's a lawyer I've watched on YouTube and he went over this case that just happened where

53:59

the police forensic sex bird was just lying on hundreds of fucking cases.

54:04

But I mean, they just swine straight up fucking lying making it up.

54:06

So yeah, that guy did it.

54:08

And a lot of people don't know this, but so first of all, only like 50% of murders ever get resolved

54:14

in a conviction.

54:16

Really?

54:16

Yeah, like half murders, like you never convict anybody.

54:18

And the half they do solve most of those are the cop thinks it was the boyfriend.

54:26

So he brings him down to the station for a consensual chat, which the boyfriend is too dumb

54:31

to know it's consensual.

54:32

Don't do that.

54:32

And he says, we got your DNA.

54:34

We got your fingerprints.

54:35

We got the weapon.

54:35

We got the body.

54:36

We got everything.

54:37

Are you guilty?

54:38

And then they just, they say, yeah, you got me.

54:40

So okay, so that brings up an interesting thing because I, okay, this case, I never,

54:44

I heard about it when it happened.

54:46

I never really looked into it.

54:48

You're talking about the guy in Chicago with the writing on the table?

54:51

Oh, no, no, I took that.

54:52

Oh, yeah, everyone.

54:53

Okay.

54:53

No, this is, this just happened.

54:55

Okay.

54:56

The Idaho murders.

54:57

Oh, yeah, yeah.

54:58

The, yeah.

54:58

So the guy was caught pretty quickly, but he was caught like in like Pennsylvania or something.

55:02

Okay.

55:03

Apparently there are a group of people that think he's not guilty.

55:07

I don't know enough about the case.

55:09

I mean, they, you know, but they, they got him to change his plea to guilty and they're removing

55:15

the death penalty off.

55:16

Now, would you, if you're, if you're faced with a mountain of evidence, but you didn't do it,

55:22

yeah, and the death penalty is attached, would you plead guilty to avoid the death penalty?

55:27

Or would you find the fight?

55:28

I don't know, man.

55:29

Like it's hard.

55:29

It's, it's so hard to say, answer that question when I'm not in this agreement.

55:32

Because I've got a friend who went to jail and I believe he did this to get less years.

55:36

I don't believe he committed the crime.

55:38

Yeah.

55:38

A lot of people would do that.

55:39

Yeah.

55:39

And I believe that's what happened.

55:40

So now before I was, this is actually the case that started the whole discussion about

55:46

shit in a chat room.

55:47

I'm in and there was a dark web chat room.

55:49

Someone brought it up and what they were saying was they got his phone records where your phone's

55:57

always spying on you with the GPS and shit.

55:59

And they like, it was in the location at the time the murders happened and all this shit.

56:02

And I'm like, give me, they could just make that up.

56:04

They could just fucking lie.

56:05

You know what I mean?

56:06

Like if a guy from the phone company gets on the stand and you know the prosecutor's

56:12

paying him to be there and he says, yep, we have, here's the logs.

56:16

Here's this piece of text that says his IP address was in this GPS coordination at that time.

56:23

That's not proof that just a fucking piece of text on the screen.

56:25

Like, they can make this up.

56:28

It's just all bullshit, man.

56:29

Like they could just literally say, I don't like that guy.

56:33

I think he did it.

56:33

It's let's just make it all up.

56:36

And eyewitnesses are categorically unreliable.

56:39

Right.

56:40

I mean.

56:41

And the cops coach them too.

56:42

I mean, like they do like lineups.

56:44

Now in a lineup, there's all these criteria that you're supposed to do.

56:48

You can't talk to the victim.

56:51

You can't do anything to influence their choice.

56:54

But they do it all the fucking time.

56:56

Like I've heard cases where the victim was being brought into the room

57:03

and they saw the guy being walked in in cuffs.

57:07

Whereas they saw the other guys not being walked in in cuffs.

57:11

That's a tangent fucking thing.

57:12

And you're supposed to have your attorney there at the time to be able to point that shit out.

57:16

But guess what?

57:16

Defense attorneys don't give a fuck.

57:18

They're in on the take two.

57:19

Most of them.

57:20

I mean, they're all part of the fucking bar association

57:22

because the government makes you in order to practice law.

57:25

So I was streaming bull.

57:27

I was watching.

57:28

No, I'm trying to find something for you.

57:29

No, no, no, no.

57:31

And so he's going after, I believe, a murderer.

57:34

And he's on the defense side.

57:38

But he's on the prosecutor side.

57:40

And right in the middle of trial,

57:43

when something, a cell phone went off.

57:45

And the judge is like, okay, whose cell phone is that?

57:48

You know, this is Bob.

57:49

And the guy who's being charged goes, oh, I'm sorry, your honor.

57:53

It's my mother's medical alert.

57:55

She needs her medicine.

57:56

May I give her her medicine, please?

57:58

So he goes back and gives his mom the medicine.

58:00

And they're like, holy shit, the jury's just like.

58:03

So Bull knows.

58:05

Bull knows the TV you're talking about, my bull.

58:06

No.

58:06

It's a court drama.

58:08

He's a jury scientist.

58:10

Okay, like a bar near.

58:11

Yeah, well, yeah, he picks a jury.

58:13

Yeah, more dear.

58:13

Yeah, well, yeah, we do want it.

58:15

Yeah.

58:15

And so when it was his turn, they were bringing up a witness to talk about him.

58:24

He had four US Marshals surrounding his witness, bringing her to the stand.

58:29

And the prosecutor, the lawyer's like, come on.

58:32

And he's like, well, you did the medicine thing.

58:35

Right, right.

58:35

The judge was like, this shit's got to stop.

58:38

So I don't, this is an old video.

58:41

No, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to find it.

58:46

Dancing with a little generic search term you got there.

58:49

Well, but it's, it's, it back in the day, it would have worked.

58:55

So there's a video of people dancing.

58:59

Okay.

58:59

And you're watching the video.

59:00

Yeah.

59:01

And a bear dances through the crowd of people.

59:04

Oh, like you don't notice the bear?

59:06

Yeah, I've seen that.

59:06

But then when they slow it down, they show you the bears there and you go back and watch the

59:11

beginning of the video, you see the fucking bear.

59:13

So what I remember was it was a bunch of people passing a basketball around.

59:17

Maybe, yeah.

59:18

And the, and the narrator says, okay, count how many times they pass the basketball.

59:23

Right, so you're focusing on that.

59:23

So you're focusing on that.

59:24

And then there's a bear.

59:25

Yeah, I remember seeing that.

59:26

Yeah.

59:26

So that's why I saw him do this.

59:29

Right.

59:30

Actually the best movie about that is by Cousin Vinny.

59:32

Yeah.

59:33

Yeah.

59:33

Yeah.

59:33

Yeah.

59:33

Yeah.

59:34

And actually like lawyers actually cite that as one of the most

59:36

accurate law movies.

59:37

I'm done with this guy.

59:40

And actually the best scene is when Marissa Torme was saying how qualified a mechanic she is.

59:48

Right.

59:48

So great movie.

59:49

It's a great movie.

59:50

It's a great movie.

59:52

Okay.

59:52

I think we went different directions on that one, but that's fine.

59:56

Do you have anything up here you want to show?

59:58

Let's see here.

1:00:00

I don't have anything related to the talks, but let's do the Monero giveaway at this point.

1:00:05

Okay.

1:00:07

So last week we showed you a video of the Italian President, Prime Minister, whatever the

1:00:12

fuck she's called, Maloney.

1:00:15

And she looked kind of fucking weird.

1:00:16

Something weird was going on.

1:00:18

Yes.

1:00:18

And we asked you what you guys thought was going on there.

1:00:21

So we got six answers this week.

1:00:23

First one is from Monero Mash.

1:00:26

And he says Maloney was clearly taking the same stuff as Jacinda Ardern.

1:00:31

And she's the PM of New Zealand or something.

1:00:34

And he sent a link on that.

1:00:35

So let me pull that up.

1:00:41

So she's going with the nose and making some weird facial.

1:00:49

We do remember the train car?

1:00:52

Train car.

1:00:52

The President of France was in there and a few other people.

1:00:57

And the camera came on and there was a bag of white powder on the table.

1:01:01

And someone grabbed it.

1:01:02

No.

1:01:02

And then this time like two old Zaliscus on their tail.

1:01:08

So yeah, that's just all the same.

1:01:10

So yeah, so that was Monero Mash's answer.

1:01:12

Let's get him in the wheel here.

1:01:18

Next we have Al McGuest.

1:01:20

And he says, holy shit, Elon's got some damn good ketamine.

1:01:25

Hold it together, sister.

1:01:29

So that's funny on a couple different levels.

1:01:31

I've never mentioned before she's got a lady boner for Elon Musk.

1:01:36

So we got a new guy called Midnight.

1:01:39

And he came with a simple answer.

1:01:41

The answer is cocaine.

1:01:43

All caps.

1:01:44

That's why I screamed it.

1:01:47

Okay, next we got L337.

1:01:50

He's got, she is to whacked.

1:01:53

Catches a drain then realizes she has to pee.

1:01:57

All 337 has got some weird answers, but it counts.

1:02:01

So wait, say that again.

1:02:02

Say the first couple words.

1:02:03

She is to whacked.

1:02:05

T whacked.

1:02:07

Okay, so that's slang for probably fucked up.

1:02:09

I don't know.

1:02:10

What's the rest of it?

1:02:11

Catches a drain then realizes she has to pee.

1:02:14

I don't know.

1:02:15

So it's probably having to do with starting a rail.

1:02:18

I don't know.

1:02:19

No, we should put that in Google and see what comes up.

1:02:22

Matt McEw came at us with a meme.

1:02:25

So we got a meme here.

1:02:26

Have you heard that I have vibrating panties?

1:02:28

You want to try them?

1:02:30

Mmm.

1:02:33

See, this guy brought in the last one.

1:02:36

Yep.

1:02:37

Oh, close that.

1:02:39

So that was a Matt McEw's answer.

1:02:45

And last but not least, we have Ayn.

1:02:47

She looks like she's picking up radio signals through her

1:02:51

tooth fellings saying put the pineapple on the pizza.

1:02:55

The Italian family had a very fine fellow.

1:02:57

Oh, do you understand the pineapple and pizza?

1:02:58

Well, it's Italian.

1:02:59

She's Italian.

1:03:00

No, we don't tolerate that shit.

1:03:01

No, no, no, no, no, no.

1:03:02

No, that's code for pizza gate.

1:03:05

First thing don't work.

1:03:06

I can certainly kind of give a kid.

1:03:08

No, dude, do you know her pizza gate, right?

1:03:11

Yeah, of course.

1:03:11

Yeah, when it first came out, it was like, no, come on.

1:03:14

But if you if there's videos of people who went after Ellen

1:03:17

DeGeneres, Oprah Winfrey, they've all told her order the pizza.

1:03:21

Let's order a pizza.

1:03:23

You know, let's do this with a pizza.

1:03:24

Oh, it's a pizza.

1:03:26

I don't think that's where Ayn was going, but that's another

1:03:28

layer on top of that.

1:03:29

But the pineapple on the pizza, I believe it's a it's a

1:03:31

it's a well, it's not like she but she's the PM of Italy,

1:03:35

which like we don't tolerate that shit.

1:03:36

But was pizza invented in Italy or China?

1:03:38

Well, it was actually invented in America.

1:03:42

Oh, but they do have like analogues to pizza that keep Italy.

1:03:46

But yeah, so there's our six and right one, two, three, four,

1:03:48

five, six, and let's see who wins.

1:03:55

Midnight, the new guy.

1:03:56

All right, so I did tell

1:03:58

you in the chat, make sure that you watch the show because

1:04:00

this is the only place you're going to learn that you won.

1:04:03

So come find me to collect your monero.

1:04:07

Let's see what we got here.

1:04:10

Oh, we got some sad news.

1:04:12

Oh, yeah.

1:04:13

So Michael Madsen kicked the bucket.

1:04:16

Yeah.

1:04:16

And I went to his Wikipedia page to read about, you know,

1:04:20

what happened and what his life because I didn't know about

1:04:22

his personal life.

1:04:24

And it's basically nothing.

1:04:26

So you know what that means, don't you?

1:04:28

Sorry, I was doing something else.

1:04:30

So like when an actor's Wikipedia page has like no info

1:04:32

for their personal life.

1:04:33

What does that mean?

1:04:34

Yeah.

1:04:34

What does that mean?

1:04:36

He's not no personal life.

1:04:37

I don't know.

1:04:37

He's probably conservative.

1:04:39

Seriously?

1:04:40

I mean, like so good.

1:04:41

If you look at like Will Smith or or what's a good example?

1:04:48

What does that mean?

1:04:48

Rob Reiner or all these people you have built.

1:04:51

No, no.

1:04:53

Robert De Niro.

1:04:54

He's conservative.

1:04:55

Mark Wahlberg is conservative.

1:04:56

Do they have a...

1:04:57

But they're very...

1:04:58

They're very loud about it.

1:04:59

Yeah.

1:05:00

No, but like who would I have to say?

1:05:03

Robert De Niro, right?

1:05:04

You're going to see, oh, he does all this charity work with

1:05:07

activism and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1:05:09

It's like fucking paragraphs and paragraphs.

1:05:10

Like I don't give a fuck.

1:05:12

But when they have someone that's like libertarian or

1:05:15

conservatively like Clint Eastwood,

1:05:17

even he's like a little bit loud about it,

1:05:19

but not like it's only when people ask him.

1:05:21

Okay.

1:05:22

It's like his his shit is barren, right?

1:05:24

Like they'll say like one bad thing about him, right?

1:05:26

Oh, he was arrested in 1978 on drunk driving charges or some

1:05:30

fucking stupid shit, right?

1:05:32

That's how you know an actor who was probably conservative.

1:05:35

So Michael Matson's is pretty barren.

1:05:37

So he might have been libertarian conservative type.

1:05:40

Okay.

1:05:42

But yeah, he apparently was found dead, dead like 67 too.

1:05:45

He wasn't that old.

1:05:46

Yeah, he was 67.

1:05:47

I mean, okay, I was just looking to pile up all pizza things.

1:05:50

Got me all like, get a fucking wormhole right now.

1:05:52

Because it may or may not, it may not be a pizza cake thing.

1:05:57

But yeah, but, but okay, so this is the story that I heard.

1:06:02

So I committed suicide.

1:06:04

But he blamed the wife for committing suicide.

1:06:06

Their wife is divorced, in which might be not true.

1:06:09

And it might, to me, and he was found unresponsive about it as well.

1:06:13

Yeah.

1:06:14

I, so the Wikipedia page said that they were not getting divorced as far as we know.

1:06:19

But Wikipedia is not a.

1:06:21

No, it's not.

1:06:22

It's not reliable.

1:06:23

But like, I think it mentioned like someone close to the family or even himself said that.

1:06:29

So I don't know.

1:06:30

I didn't really click the fucking references.

1:06:32

I don't care that much.

1:06:34

Teacher on a colleague.

1:06:35

I was, I was.

1:06:36

No, I assume he took the fucking COVID shot because he is an actor.

1:06:38

Like even the more conservative actors still had to keep working and a lot of them caved.

1:06:43

So who knows, man?

1:06:45

Who knows?

1:06:46

So I had a teacher, it was a prep, I guess professor.

1:06:48

I don't really call them people at college.

1:06:50

Um, and he goes, I do, I don't want anybody citing Wikipedia because it's not factual.

1:06:57

And the reason it's not factual, I changed something on my Wikipedia six months ago and

1:07:03

it's still there.

1:07:05

And I was like, who the fuck do you think is going on your Wikipedia?

1:07:09

So like, go to 9 11 and say that it happened on 9 12 and watch how quick that shit gets.

1:07:14

Right.

1:07:14

They'll see.

1:07:14

Yeah.

1:07:14

They have the alerts.

1:07:16

Well, they get notified customers, the other readers do it.

1:07:19

Right.

1:07:19

But there's like, there's, there's power users as they call them and they get alerts

1:07:23

when their articles get modified and then like they'll immediately come in and reverse it.

1:07:28

Right.

1:07:28

Even if it's like referenced and dude, if you click the talk link on Wikipedia articles

1:07:33

and read their debates, they are fucking insane.

1:07:36

Dude, it's totally like, especially when you see, uh, like the government comes out and

1:07:41

changes the definition of something.

1:07:42

Yeah.

1:07:42

Like when they check vaccine.

1:07:43

Yeah.

1:07:44

But if you go to the talk page because they can't wipe that out, that's like permanent.

1:07:48

Yeah.

1:07:49

The fight is fucking insane, dude.

1:07:51

They're insane.

1:07:52

Okay.

1:07:52

So Wikipedia, what does it say about Uranus?

1:07:56

No, no, not Uranus, the planet.

1:07:59

Yeah.

1:07:59

Which by the way, my kid's teacher was pronounced Uranus.

1:08:05

Okay.

1:08:05

Yeah.

1:08:06

She changed the pronunciation of a word of a planet.

1:08:08

What is Uranus?

1:08:10

No, it's Uranus.

1:08:10

It's Uranus.

1:08:11

Uranus is so much more funny.

1:08:13

That's fine.

1:08:13

Okay.

1:08:13

But it's done.

1:08:14

Okay.

1:08:14

So that's no longer a planet.

1:08:17

What?

1:08:18

Yes, it is.

1:08:19

No, it's.

1:08:19

You're thinking of Pluto.

1:08:21

No, that's the dog from Goofy.

1:08:22

That's Goofy's dog.

1:08:23

But it's also the formal planet, planets.

1:08:25

Is it a planet called Pluto?

1:08:26

It used to be.

1:08:27

Yeah, it's there.

1:08:28

Okay.

1:08:28

So it was Pluto and not Uranus.

1:08:30

So Uranus is fucking massive.

1:08:32

Okay.

1:08:32

So Uranus is not massive.

1:08:34

Uranus is massive.

1:08:36

Uranus is massive.

1:08:37

I got it.

1:08:37

So it's big enough to be a planet.

1:08:39

So they changed the definition.

1:08:40

Pluto then.

1:08:40

So what happened was.

1:08:41

But I just want to say Uranus on the podcast.

1:08:43

I don't really care.

1:08:44

They, um, they, they didn't have a formal definition of the word planet.

1:08:47

Yeah.

1:08:47

Astronomy.

1:08:48

And like they kept finding all these little ice balls that were bigger than Pluto.

1:08:52

And they're like, well, we can't make all these things planets.

1:08:54

So we got to fucking sit down and write a definition.

1:08:57

And like the only, the best definition they come up with excluded Pluto.

1:09:00

And now actually funny thing is this is not, that was not the first time they kicked out a planet.

1:09:05

So there's an asteroid in between Mars and Jupiter.

1:09:09

Okay.

1:09:09

It's a massive asteroid called Ceres.

1:09:12

And that used to be a planet and they kicked Ceres out.

1:09:14

So like it's a thing that happens.

1:09:16

What, what the, how the fuck did you just pull that up out of your head?

1:09:19

I just don't, I follow this stuff.

1:09:21

I follow some follow Uranus.

1:09:22

I follow your own anus.

1:09:23

It's easy.

1:09:24

Play the dog.

1:09:26

You double joined it.

1:09:28

You ever catch your own tail?

1:09:29

Not yet.

1:09:30

Do you have a tail?

1:09:31

I'll get there.

1:09:32

So, um, but yeah, so that, um, so Michael Madsen, he was a, he had a lot of pretty bad ass movies.

1:09:38

And he was in true romance.

1:09:39

He was, he was in reservoir dogs.

1:09:41

He was in definitely a lot of Quintin, Tarantino movies.

1:09:45

Um, great actor.

1:09:47

I mean, like he made fucking reservoir dogs.

1:09:49

Very recognizable.

1:09:50

May never have been an A-lister.

1:09:52

He was like, he was up there.

1:09:53

But he was like an A-lister.

1:09:55

Yeah.

1:09:55

Yeah.

1:09:55

And he was good and he was fun to watch.

1:09:58

Right.

1:09:58

Yeah.

1:09:58

He put, he put the, he put the effort in.

1:10:00

He made me be a better movie.

1:10:01

You believe the character.

1:10:02

Yeah.

1:10:03

Um, so yeah, that's our challenge this week is, uh, just give us your favorite Michael

1:10:06

Madsen performance.

1:10:09

There you go.

1:10:11

What else we got here?

1:10:12

You got anything else?

1:10:14

No, I only had the big beautiful building.

1:10:16

Okay.

1:10:16

Yeah.

1:10:16

I got one more thing.

1:10:17

We got, we actually got a story from Matt McHugh.

1:10:20

Oh.

1:10:20

Yeah.

1:10:20

He posted this in our chat room today.

1:10:23

Um, so he goes, uh, my 22 year old trail running son went for a night run last night

1:10:29

up in the canyon.

1:10:31

He parked in a picnic area with an open gate.

1:10:34

The park has a posted curfew.

1:10:35

Yeah.

1:10:37

When he came off the mountain, the gate was closed and locked with a padlock.

1:10:41

And it was before the park closes.

1:10:43

Well, so the park probably closes at sundown.

1:10:46

He's saying that his son was leaving before the, okay.

1:10:51

So, so the posted sign said nine o'clock and he was there at eight thirty or so.

1:10:55

Yes.

1:10:56

Okay.

1:10:56

Uh, so the game was posted and locked with a padlock.

1:10:59

He said to himself, what the fuck?

1:11:01

He was trapped and had no cell service.

1:11:03

So apparently it's like, it's blocked in like,

1:11:05

What candy and kind of give it away already.

1:11:07

So, uh, he did what any man would do and broke the fucking lock.

1:11:11

Uh, I share ownership of the car with him.

1:11:15

I got a text from the county sheriff's office saying that I needed to call them

1:11:19

to get the padlock removed so I can drive my car out of the picnic area.

1:11:23

I was like, what the fuck?

1:11:23

Cause he had no service, right?

1:11:24

You, how could you call them through no service?

1:11:28

The fucking cops locked my kid in the picnic area in the middle of the night

1:11:31

with a padlock not knowing if he was injured or dead or even eaten by,

1:11:34

like they didn't even.

1:11:35

Well, around some counties will search for you.

1:11:38

Yeah.

1:11:38

Well, they said, yeah.

1:11:40

Uh, so this is the most retired thing ever pissed off to protect and serve my ass.

1:11:45

So is there an issue with the police with this?

1:11:48

Apparently.

1:11:49

So now I don't know what his son or he said to the cop when they called.

1:11:57

But I did have some advice in the chat room, which is one, right?

1:12:00

Okay.

1:12:01

Your car was there.

1:12:02

That's fine.

1:12:02

They have their license plate everything.

1:12:03

Yeah.

1:12:04

Okay.

1:12:04

Prove that I broke the padlock.

1:12:06

Well, no, no, I would go different route with that.

1:12:08

Go ahead.

1:12:10

Prove that I was driving the car.

1:12:11

Okay.

1:12:12

Prove that prove any of these statements that you're either you're accusing me of dust and such.

1:12:16

Now, if you're not going to come arrest me, fuck off.

1:12:20

Yeah.

1:12:21

If you are, I want my lawyer, right?

1:12:23

Don't admit to anything.

1:12:24

Don't even admit that you were there.

1:12:26

All they know is that your car was there.

1:12:28

They don't know that you were there.

1:12:29

No, and that's very valid.

1:12:32

But here's the other thing.

1:12:34

I would go after them for locking the car up.

1:12:36

Because I know driving is not a right.

1:12:39

It's a privilege, blah, blah, blah.

1:12:40

But what if you came down with a medical emergency and you needed your vehicle to get you somewhere?

1:12:45

Well, so they don't know that that's not true.

1:12:46

The issue with that is that you don't have to admit that you were the one who was there.

1:12:50

No, but I would.

1:12:50

I mean, I don't do that.

1:12:52

But first of all, props for having shit in your car that cuts locks.

1:12:56

No, I mean, that's, that's, I don't even think I even have a lock cutter.

1:12:59

Well, we did do a lock picking show, right?

1:13:01

We can just,

1:13:02

Well, we picked the lock and you could just relock it.

1:13:03

Yeah.

1:13:03

I would have known.

1:13:05

That's nothing.

1:13:05

Get some lock picks.

1:13:06

Unless you're in Nevada because they're illegal.

1:13:08

Lock picks are illegal here.

1:13:09

I covered it on the show, man.

1:13:10

Come on.

1:13:11

That's not dude.

1:13:11

Come on.

1:13:11

Seriously.

1:13:12

I drink a lot.

1:13:14

We got a show.

1:13:15

This is not a first show.

1:13:16

It's our first show.

1:13:17

What the fuck, man?

1:13:19

No, but kudos for having that lock.

1:13:21

Having a lock cutting device on your car.

1:13:24

Yeah, I don't know.

1:13:24

Do you get a lot of boots in your car?

1:13:26

Is that why you had that?

1:13:28

I don't know what kind of liability you can apply to the city or the county or whatever.

1:13:33

For them locking it early.

1:13:36

Depends on what state you're in, what county, all that kind of shit.

1:13:38

But talk to a lawyer.

1:13:39

Do not talk to the cops on the phone.

1:13:42

Talk to your lawyer.

1:13:42

So if you take your car and you block another car in,

1:13:49

you can be ticketed or arrested for reducing his right to travel.

1:13:55

Yes.

1:13:56

Is that not the same thing?

1:13:57

You want what you think it is?

1:13:59

I mean, to me, that...

1:14:00

Even if it's after hours, I would say you don't lock that fucking lock.

1:14:06

Right.

1:14:07

You're a sheriff's department.

1:14:08

Guess what?

1:14:08

You're 24 hours.

1:14:09

Right.

1:14:09

Right.

1:14:10

So let's just get down.

1:14:11

So if you don't want to get the dogs out and go searching for somebody, which,

1:14:15

okay, maybe you don't, but give it an hour.

1:14:18

Come back.

1:14:19

How about worry about your citizens?

1:14:20

Yeah, I think what happened was somebody who gets off at 10,

1:14:25

decided they wanted to take off early because they had a hot date or something,

1:14:28

and said, fuck it, I'm just going to lock the gate.

1:14:30

What could go wrong?

1:14:31

But here's the weird fucking thing.

1:14:32

Like if you're in that situation, I get it.

1:14:34

Sometimes you want to leave early.

1:14:35

But you got there.

1:14:37

There's a car there.

1:14:38

Yeah.

1:14:38

Right?

1:14:39

You're too fucking bad.

1:14:40

You can't just lock that gate early.

1:14:42

Leave the lock, leave the padlock unlocked.

1:14:44

Right.

1:14:45

But you know the dude's here and he's like,

1:14:46

hey, dude, can you lock up on your way out?

1:14:48

Right.

1:14:48

What the fuck, man?

1:14:49

I mean, I would totally do that.

1:14:50

I'm like, oh, cool, man.

1:14:51

I'll take care of this guy for him.

1:14:52

These people are unreal, man.

1:14:53

It's just, it's...

1:14:54

But no, like...

1:14:55

No, I would file a complaint.

1:14:57

But I'm an obstructionist.

1:14:58

I like being the turn of the punch.

1:15:00

You're like, dude, just hide the...

1:15:01

Hide the editory.

1:15:02

Hide the editory.

1:15:03

I would say only do that after you've resolved the fact

1:15:07

that they have no evidence against you.

1:15:08

So if they even hint about coming after you with charges,

1:15:13

get a lawyer.

1:15:14

Yeah.

1:15:15

Well, don't get a lawyer anyway.

1:15:16

Talk to a...

1:15:16

There's no harm in talking to a lawyer.

1:15:18

Right.

1:15:18

But I think...

1:15:19

It's free to talk.

1:15:20

Yeah.

1:15:20

But I mean, if they're going to come at you with charges,

1:15:23

I would respond back with a lawsuit.

1:15:26

Because they stopped your freedom of travel.

1:15:28

Yeah.

1:15:28

But here's the key thing.

1:15:30

How's he going to prove that lock was locked before the park closed?

1:15:35

He had no cell phone coverage.

1:15:36

Right.

1:15:36

Well, but you still have...

1:15:37

You still have...

1:15:38

You can take pictures.

1:15:39

You can take pictures.

1:15:39

You have the clock.

1:15:40

Yeah.

1:15:40

Yeah.

1:15:41

What I was saying, but prove the clocking.

1:15:42

Well, so the phone will record the time stamp

1:15:45

when you take the picture.

1:15:46

Right.

1:15:46

That's what I'm saying.

1:15:47

So take a picture.

1:15:47

Yeah.

1:15:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:15:48

And then try to make a phone call.

1:15:51

I don't know if that...

1:15:52

I guess you know the network, you know the...

1:15:53

Right, yeah.

1:15:55

Yeah, it won't happen.

1:15:55

But yeah, walk...

1:15:57

Yeah, I don't know.

1:15:57

But if that ever happens, prove that you're there.

1:16:00

Especially in...

1:16:01

You know, sign, park closes at 9, eat 45.

1:16:04

Right, exactly.

1:16:05

You know, that kind of shit.

1:16:07

No, that would piss me off.

1:16:08

I mean, I would...

1:16:09

There you go.

1:16:12

I mean, if you didn't do any damage...

1:16:14

Well, he broke the lock, allegedly.

1:16:16

It's a fucking lock.

1:16:16

Yeah.

1:16:17

So we were...

1:16:18

It's probably a $10 lock at best.

1:16:19

So I used to go out with this group.

1:16:22

I don't do any of that.

1:16:23

I don't do it anymore because I don't have the right vehicle.

1:16:26

Well, I could say do, but they're not road worthy right now.

1:16:28

Or they're trail worthy, they're not road worthy.

1:16:31

But it's...

1:16:35

A snore.

1:16:36

Snore.

1:16:37

Southern Nevada off-road recovery.

1:16:39

Okay.

1:16:40

So we would go out and recover people if they were stuck

1:16:44

or lost in the desert because you can die.

1:16:46

A healthy person can die if you're stuck in the desert.

1:16:50

So if you or your family gets a hold of us,

1:16:53

give us pertinent information, we went out.

1:16:56

These dudes had keys to the padlocks of the gates.

1:17:00

I'm like, how'd you get these guys to all the Rangers?

1:17:01

Just give them to us, man.

1:17:02

Because they know where I ended up.

1:17:03

But actually the funniest thing was, it was a Sunday morning,

1:17:07

there was a dirt biker.

1:17:09

And it was in California, but it was just across the border.

1:17:12

So they called us and we went out and we were going down 15 South

1:17:16

and we hit the California traffic.

1:17:18

Yeah.

1:17:18

Dead fucking stop.

1:17:20

So we're all like, well, we could do a U-turn, double back,

1:17:23

go to that exit, come up to the frontage road.

1:17:25

And one guy goes, guys, there's a fucking dirt road,

1:17:28

five feet off this road.

1:17:29

Yeah.

1:17:29

So we're all like, sweet.

1:17:31

So we all don't climb down.

1:17:32

I thought you didn't know this, but that dirt road

1:17:34

is Las Vegas Boulevard.

1:17:36

The old one?

1:17:36

Yeah.

1:17:37

Yeah, it's probably a service road.

1:17:39

Yeah, it goes all the way down.

1:17:40

And our thing was, what is illegal to drive on it?

1:17:43

Because there's no sign saying you can't.

1:17:44

Right.

1:17:45

And if it is, we're going to tell the guy what we're doing

1:17:47

and the cops are going to have...

1:17:48

So we're cruising down.

1:17:51

People are honking at us, yelling at us.

1:17:54

But one kid, he got out of the van and his mom and dad were

1:17:58

trying to cut...

1:17:58

He was pissing, but they were trying to block views

1:18:01

coming this way.

1:18:01

And we went by this way.

1:18:03

We were like, hey.

1:18:06

But yeah, that was a fun recovery because we hit snow.

1:18:10

We hit snow in the state of New York County.

1:18:13

Interesting.

1:18:13

And...

1:18:14

Geez, that's way to fuck out there.

1:18:15

Yeah, I mean, my truck came back, buddy,

1:18:18

and it was like, yes, fuck.

1:18:19

And in the desert, you don't really get that.

1:18:21

Like you're doing it in the Midwest.

1:18:22

Wow.

1:18:23

But yeah, no, that was a...

1:18:24

I probably should...

1:18:25

I mean, I guess I could use my razor.

1:18:26

I don't know, maybe I will back up with them.

1:18:28

But I use the thing with my razor.

1:18:29

I can't put my fucking razor on the street.

1:18:30

Well, we already covered that.

1:18:32

So I have to leave my truck and my trailer

1:18:35

in the middle of the fucking desert somewhere.

1:18:36

What?

1:18:37

Yeah, that's how I...

1:18:38

If I go off roading, it's ridiculous.

1:18:40

Wow.

1:18:40

And have you seen...

1:18:42

Have you seen the fucking vehicles they allowed on there?

1:18:44

Did you see this?

1:18:45

Yeah, we have cyber trucks.

1:18:46

No, no, no, no.

1:18:47

I'm talking about the two-seat electric vehicle.

1:18:50

Oh yeah, the little trike thingy.

1:18:53

It's two...

1:18:53

Yeah, there's like two seats parallel like this.

1:18:55

And it's like this wide.

1:18:57

It's probably not...

1:18:58

Wait, no, I haven't seen...

1:18:59

It's like this wide.

1:18:59

It's a width of a seat.

1:19:02

Two of us can rent them and they put them on the road.

1:19:04

Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

1:19:06

My razor is a thousand times safer than that.

1:19:09

Okay.

1:19:10

I can't grab my razor on the road.

1:19:11

Dude, I see fucking like, like buggies.

1:19:15

You know, like, it's not horse drawn,

1:19:17

but it's a buggy, like a golf, like a big golf cart essentially.

1:19:20

Yeah.

1:19:21

And they take tours and those are on the roads.

1:19:23

Right.

1:19:23

So if you...

1:19:23

They can't go more than 15 miles an hour.

1:19:25

So next time you see that thing, check out the plates on it.

1:19:28

Why?

1:19:29

I bet they're not Nevada plates.

1:19:30

I hope they're shit.

1:19:31

No, I could very easily go to, I think, Montana,

1:19:35

a few different states and license my razor.

1:19:37

Okay.

1:19:38

And get plates for it for Montana.

1:19:40

All I need is a PO box.

1:19:41

Yeah.

1:19:41

But there's a Nevada law that says if you live in the state of Nevada,

1:19:45

your vehicles must be registered in the state of Nevada.

1:19:47

Yeah.

1:19:48

So if I get pulled over, which I would because I'm driving a side by side, a razor on the street,

1:19:54

you know, and when you live in Nevada, you have out of state lights.

1:19:57

The, those little two seat electric buggy things, where the fuck they are, Montana plates.

1:20:02

Well, so, um, the law about having to live here has like a 30 day or 60 day race period

1:20:09

once because for people who move here.

1:20:10

Right.

1:20:11

And the cop doesn't know when you moved here.

1:20:14

It's true. My driver's license.

1:20:17

Okay. Yeah.

1:20:17

Depends on like the dates on it.

1:20:18

A bit of like seven years.

1:20:20

It's gonna be like, uh, yeah.

1:20:21

No, but why does this shit exist?

1:20:25

Like, why do I need permission to drive on my roads?

1:20:27

What's like when I'm getting my B's, then like, well, you have to get permission from.

1:20:31

Yeah.

1:20:32

Fuck this.

1:20:32

No, you have to tell Vegas you have a B-high.

1:20:35

I'm not telling or nor by asking permission.

1:20:38

Yeah.

1:20:38

To fuck them.

1:20:39

This is my property.

1:20:40

Say that.

1:20:41

I saw, I saw another story from Michigan.

1:20:44

This woman, so now Michigan has a law that says that cities cannot require permits to

1:20:51

keep farm animals, but the city made this law anyway.

1:20:56

And the woman goes to the city and says, I want a permit for chickens.

1:21:00

And they say, okay, no problem.

1:21:02

Now apparently the law says that the city is required to do some kind of assessment.

1:21:09

Yeah.

1:21:09

Of the neighbors as to how they feel about chickens and then deny the permit if the

1:21:14

neighbors don't want it.

1:21:15

But the city never did this.

1:21:16

The city just said, okay, here's your permit.

1:21:18

Yeah.

1:21:18

So now the woman has the permit.

1:21:20

She built the chicken coop.

1:21:21

She gets the chickens.

1:21:22

Her neighbor complains to the city.

1:21:24

Now the city wants to say take the chicken coop down.

1:21:27

Which is the law, you can't do that in the first place, according to the Michigan Constitution.

1:21:32

So my boss lives in an HOA and he goes, well, if somebody wants to do work,

1:21:37

they have to get permission from their neighbors.

1:21:39

I go, what the fuck is that about?

1:21:41

Right, let's open.

1:21:42

If it's like I don't like you, I just go, no.

1:21:45

Right.

1:21:45

You can't do it.

1:21:46

Of course.

1:21:46

And you can't do it.

1:21:47

That's what they're trying to do.

1:21:49

What the fuck is that?

1:21:50

But then the city didn't even bother to do the work.

1:21:52

They just gave her the permit anyway.

1:21:54

So if I'm not mistaken, animals in Nevada are considered property.

1:22:00

Okay, I have no idea.

1:22:01

I was going to look this up.

1:22:02

Well, I was thinking about it for a different reason.

1:22:04

But if they're property and I spend money on them, is that tax deductible?

1:22:10

No.

1:22:10

I'm investing in my property.

1:22:12

No, it's not.

1:22:13

If I invested in my house, it's actually not.

1:22:16

You're talking about property versus real estate and it's not the same thing.

1:22:19

My car's property.

1:22:22

No, it is.

1:22:22

That's why we have such high insurance.

1:22:24

We have such high tax prices.

1:22:25

But you can't deduct your car from your taxes?

1:22:28

Well, actually, the big beautiful bill.

1:22:31

If you have an American car, your interest rate is not tax deductible.

1:22:35

Oh my God.

1:22:36

No, but it was.

1:22:37

I don't think that's going to stick.

1:22:39

Why not?

1:22:40

They're going to say it's unconstitutional.

1:22:41

You can't give favors that way.

1:22:43

But it's a big beautiful bill.

1:22:45

I understand.

1:22:45

It's big.

1:22:46

It's beautiful.

1:22:47

That one will stick.

1:22:48

Oh, by the way, Hocking Jeffries, apparently he talked for nine hours.

1:22:53

He had a moon bag on, the same as the astronauts wear.

1:22:58

So he was walking around with a pant load.

1:23:03

I mean, at some point he had to be.

1:23:04

God.

1:23:05

Is that what he's pushing?

1:23:07

It must be.

1:23:08

Yeah, whatever.

1:23:09

Yeah.

1:23:10

Hocking Jeffries talked for nine hours.

1:23:11

I don't even understand why because to filibuster, the goal is to talk so long.

1:23:18

Everyone leaves.

1:23:18

Right.

1:23:19

He started it like last night or first thing this morning in the early eight hours.

1:23:23

Everyone's like, well, we're just waiting them out.

1:23:26

I mean, how long do you think he can talk?

1:23:28

Yeah.

1:23:28

Well, didn't he, didn't he wasn't he the guy who did 25 hours or who was that?

1:23:31

Someone was quite booker.

1:23:32

Okay.

1:23:33

Yeah.

1:23:34

But apparently in the show,

1:23:35

show them up and then in the house,

1:23:37

nine hours broke the, the, the verb that broke the standard.

1:23:42

I don't think they understand the rule.

1:23:43

They just like, oh, I'm going to do this and I'm going to get the headlines and whatever

1:23:47

the fuck.

1:23:47

It's all fucking bullshit.

1:23:48

Oh dude, we're an hour 20 already.

1:23:50

Okay.

1:23:50

Well, for sure.

1:23:51

We had nothing to talk about.

1:23:53

Talk about a lot.

1:23:55

So yeah, I was lazy this week.

1:23:56

I did not prepare anything.

1:23:58

So I'm going to tell the work story.

1:23:59

Okay.

1:24:00

So I'm going to talk about the time we got hacked.

1:24:03

So this is my.

1:24:04

I got hacked.

1:24:05

No, no, no.

1:24:05

This is my first company.

1:24:06

Okay.

1:24:07

That the, uh, the, uh, the predatory lending company.

1:24:08

No, no, that was my second one.

1:24:10

The first company, uh, was the legal place where we did have the copy shop or we did

1:24:13

software for copiers.

1:24:17

And so a lot of our clients were law firms because they had their own copy shops in house.

1:24:23

And, uh, so we, we wanted a way to remote into their, into our system of theirs, uh,

1:24:32

to diagnose it if they had a problem.

1:24:34

But a lot of these law firms are firewalls.

1:24:36

So like, you can't just do that.

1:24:37

Right.

1:24:37

So we came up with this way of having them open a connection out to us because they're

1:24:43

allowed to do that.

1:24:44

Right.

1:24:44

And then it would build what's called a tunnel and then you can go back through that tunnel

1:24:48

to get into that machine.

1:24:49

So that's how we handle the remote support situation with these places.

1:24:53

And the way we did that was we had a machine on our network that just sat there with an open

1:24:58

port and whoever dialed in, right, we assumed that they were, uh, a client.

1:25:05

Um, well, so the password to that was root 123, which, you know, that's just pretty

1:25:11

fucking stupid.

1:25:13

Is it simplistic?

1:25:14

Sometimes a great for a password.

1:25:15

None of it's open to the world.

1:25:17

Okay.

1:25:19

So one day I come in and, uh, my boss says, Hey man, the remote support box got

1:25:24

hacked.

1:25:24

So we're kind of down for now.

1:25:27

And, uh, I'm like, well, what do you mean?

1:25:28

Got hat like, well, I guess the password root 123 is, I'm surprised it lasted as long

1:25:32

as it did without getting hacked.

1:25:34

The fucking miracle.

1:25:36

So I asked, Hey, can I, can I take a look at it?

1:25:38

Right.

1:25:39

Can I just fuck around with it?

1:25:40

See what happened?

1:25:41

Maybe I can get some history and see who did this.

1:25:43

Yeah.

1:25:43

Whatever.

1:25:44

Maybe we can forward to the FBI how naive I was by the time.

1:25:47

Right.

1:25:48

So I start looking at the machine and I'm going through the logs and I see a login.

1:25:54

It's not a login.

1:25:55

I see a, um, an outgoing connection on port 6667.

1:26:02

Now, like most people don't know what the fuck that means, right?

1:26:04

Like what does that mean?

1:26:05

So 6667 is the common port for IRC chat rooms.

1:26:09

Oh, okay.

1:26:10

And I, I'd just been on IRC since the 90s.

1:26:12

So I just do this, right?

1:26:14

And I'm like, huh, someone is using our machine to go on IRC, right?

1:26:19

So like I kept looking through logs.

1:26:21

I found the software that they installed and I started, I opened that up.

1:26:27

I looked at it.

1:26:27

It was basically just a bot.

1:26:29

So it would go to the IRC and it would log into a room and it would say, you know, I'm

1:26:34

so-and-so's bot for them to control, for them to know that you're there.

1:26:39

Yeah.

1:26:39

So I, I logged on to the IRC and I used the bot's credentials, right?

1:26:46

That they put in the IRC.

1:26:48

They put in the config file and then I just sat there and waited.

1:26:52

And eventually somebody messaged me with their password, right?

1:26:56

Because they'd log into the bot so they can control the bot.

1:26:59

Okay.

1:26:59

So now I have their password to their bot network, right?

1:27:03

So now I can take over all their bots.

1:27:07

And it was some guy from Romania.

1:27:08

So like good luck ever prosecuting that shit.

1:27:10

Yeah.

1:27:12

But I guess like the moral of the story is, like if you're at work and

1:27:19

there's some crazy shit that happens, like don't, don't assume that your knowledge of

1:27:24

these esoteric things won't come in handy someday.

1:27:27

So like let's say you play World of Warcraft, right?

1:27:29

And like you know that the World of Warcraft port is 4-5-5-5.

1:27:34

I don't, I'm just making that up.

1:27:35

Yeah.

1:27:36

But like you just know that because you play World of Warcraft and you see the connection

1:27:38

streaming and all that shit.

1:27:40

And like some crazy shit happens at work someday and you see port 4-4-4-4-5-5 everywhere.

1:27:45

Well, now you know someone's hacking your devices to use World of Warcraft.

1:27:48

You can probably help, right?

1:27:51

And like it wasn't long after this that I got a huge fucking raise, right?

1:27:55

So like just, just having that knowledge sitting in your head available can be very valuable.

1:28:02

So like just, just be ready to deploy that at any time because crazy shit happens at work.

1:28:07

And you might be the guy to be able to help fix the problem.

1:28:10

And we built a new remote support machine.

1:28:12

The password was not root one two three anymore.

1:28:15

We put actual software on there for like intrusion detection and all this crazy shit.

1:28:18

So it would never happen again.

1:28:20

And like I learned how to do all that stuff, right?

1:28:23

Because I didn't know at the time, but I learned a lot of valuable information by having this

1:28:28

incident happen.

1:28:30

So, right?

1:28:30

Just take note.

1:28:32

Don't be the fucking guy in the corner that just these things happen, right?

1:28:36

Be the proactive person to apply your knowledge to these situations and you know advance your career.

1:28:43

Awesome.

1:28:43

So there you go.

1:28:45

So all kinds of breeze through my things.

1:28:47

It was a small anyway.

1:28:49

Tays July 3rd, we record on Thursday nights.

1:28:51

We said that we release on the Friday.

1:28:53

Tomorrow is the 4th of July and we're going to blow some shit up.

1:28:57

We, we love our country so much.

1:28:59

We want a big show come.

1:29:00

That's illegal.

1:29:00

So I won't be doing that.

1:29:02

Oh yeah.

1:29:02

Different.

1:29:03

Yeah.

1:29:04

I love it.

1:29:04

In front of like 45 minutes from here, they sell like every possible firework you're going to imagine.

1:29:09

Yeah.

1:29:09

And it's like they'll put a cop across the street from the different,

1:29:14

because there's like four fireworks companies and they'll watch them by just load a fucking

1:29:20

fill at you all and they drive right out of town.

1:29:23

Yeah.

1:29:23

Oh, you're busted.

1:29:24

Yep.

1:29:24

Driver of the fucking town.

1:29:27

So I saw a story on this that they did this year.

1:29:30

So they have cops in the store watching what you put in your cards and buy.

1:29:37

Like they're fucking ridiculous.

1:29:39

Okay.

1:29:40

If the store is not complicit with that, that's entrapment.

1:29:43

That's not entrapment.

1:29:44

No.

1:29:45

Because like you're choosing to do it.

1:29:46

Because he has the right to be there too.

1:29:47

Yeah.

1:29:48

So technically to buy fireworks, do you know how, do you know, do you know the rule about

1:29:51

buying fireworks there?

1:29:52

You have to sign a form that, that might, you might, you may spend $10,000 in fireworks.

1:29:58

Yeah.

1:29:59

You have to sign a form that before you leave town, you'll stop by the fireworks area, the fireworks

1:30:06

light off area and you'll light them all off there before you leave the county.

1:30:10

What?

1:30:11

I know.

1:30:12

Like here's $10,000 for fireworks.

1:30:14

What the fuck is the plan dude?

1:30:14

Oh yeah, I'll go light them all off right now.

1:30:16

I like, when I grew up, like we would go on vacation every summer and like June usually.

1:30:21

And we would stop in a state that had legal fireworks and just load the fucking car.

1:30:27

Yeah.

1:30:27

And nobody, and like every 4th of July, we would close our block down in Chicago

1:30:33

and do whatever the fuck we wanted.

1:30:34

Nobody gave us, I don't understand this world that we live in where like everyone's policing

1:30:39

everything and fucking like everything's illegal and what the fuck is, why are we allowing this?

1:30:45

Like this has to stop.

1:30:46

What are you going to do?

1:30:47

Start a movement?

1:30:48

And if you go on social media and you say, hey, let's stop this now, you get other people to sign

1:30:53

with you.

1:30:54

I don't think that's gonna happen.

1:30:54

They're not going to be thinking, they're just going to sign with you.

1:30:56

I don't think that's going to work.

1:30:57

No, so actually I, so this came up with the libertarian.

1:30:59

That's called the callback.

1:31:00

This, yeah, I know that, but that's not going to work though.

1:31:02

That doesn't work.

1:31:03

That's the problem.

1:31:04

So they posted this in the libertarian chat room that the link to the story.

1:31:08

And I was like, well, what you should do is go out there and like go to the stores and just like

1:31:16

sit there for a while, like you're buying something and then come back out with nothing and then have

1:31:20

the cops stop you.

1:31:21

Right.

1:31:22

Right.

1:31:22

Because now you're wasting the cops time while other people could go and you have nothing.

1:31:25

Right.

1:31:26

Oh, if a cop stops you for no reason, right, that's against the law.

1:31:29

Oh yeah, for sure.

1:31:30

So what you should do if you're gonna, well, yeah, if you're gonna get a U-Haul full of stuff,

1:31:34

yeah, have a U-Haul and a rider truck.

1:31:36

Yeah.

1:31:37

Park the rider truck into town somewhere.

1:31:39

Take the U-Haul and drive through the roads, make sure no one's following because they're

1:31:42

not going to be looking for the, they're not going to follow you.

1:31:44

They're going to wait for the U-Haul to leave town.

1:31:46

Right.

1:31:46

They're going to have a plate number and everything.

1:31:48

Switch everything over to the rider truck.

1:31:49

Yep.

1:31:50

Take the rider truck and take off and then send the U-Haul about the same,

1:31:55

maybe about the same time.

1:31:56

Yes, to the E-Coil.

1:31:57

They'll pull the U-Haul over and you just skate through here.

1:32:00

$10,000 for the fireworks.

1:32:01

Yeah.

1:32:01

I mean, but the test is about to, the test is about to.

1:32:05

The reason I bring this up is fireworks safety is very important,

1:32:08

especially if you're buying like the mortar type bottle rockets.

1:32:11

Yeah.

1:32:12

I mean, it's a fucking mortar.

1:32:13

Yeah.

1:32:13

And this shit blows up.

1:32:14

You got to put it in a container to shoot it up.

1:32:17

So a couple of years ago, a dude lost his head because he lit it and in his mind,

1:32:24

it didn't go off quick enough.

1:32:26

So he went, oh, is it a dud?

1:32:28

Yeah, don't do that.

1:32:28

And it went off.

1:32:29

I don't know, I completely took the head off or if, you know, I caught it or what.

1:32:34

If you think it's a dud, just leave it there.

1:32:36

What the fuck?

1:32:36

Actually, do you think it's a dud?

1:32:38

Fill it with water.

1:32:39

Yeah, you can doff water.

1:32:39

Fill that container full of water.

1:32:41

Yeah.

1:32:42

So use common sense.

1:32:44

I mean, as kids, did you guys get goofy as kids with fireworks?

1:32:47

Well, how do you mean?

1:32:48

Like bottle rocket wars.

1:32:49

Yeah, well, yeah.

1:32:50

Absolutely.

1:32:51

Okay.

1:32:51

And like Roman candles.

1:32:52

Yeah.

1:32:53

Okay.

1:32:53

Bottle rockets I was fine with because that's going to hurt.

1:32:56

Yeah.

1:32:56

But the Roman candles are going to stick.

1:32:59

Sometimes.

1:32:59

Oh, sometimes they don't.

1:33:00

So we never, we never actually hit anybody with a Roman candle.

1:33:03

We hit people.

1:33:04

Yeah.

1:33:05

Okay.

1:33:05

Yeah.

1:33:07

Yeah.

1:33:07

So don't, don't do that.

1:33:09

I mean, if you want to do it, I don't give a fuck, but understand it's dangerous.

1:33:13

Yeah.

1:33:13

And you're probably going to get hurt and you're probably going to have a hospital.

1:33:16

Yeah.

1:33:17

And then somebody's probably going to sue you.

1:33:18

I mean, we used to like have the little black cat firecrackers and like lay them in the

1:33:22

hand and then throw them.

1:33:23

Yeah.

1:33:24

And like one time I asked, didn't throw it and fucking blew his hand off.

1:33:27

So I was driving through a forest preserve years ago and I had some firecrackers with

1:33:34

I also had like six bags of garbage of beer cans from a party the night before that I was

1:33:38

going to dump in a garbage can there.

1:33:40

And, but when I saw a group of people, I'd always liked the fireworks and throw it out the window

1:33:43

out of them.

1:33:45

And I did that.

1:33:46

But so I don't know if I touched the, is it true if you touch the wick with your fingers and oil

1:33:50

from your fingers gets on the wick and the wick burns faster?

1:33:54

I mean, logically it makes sense.

1:33:56

I don't know what happened.

1:33:58

This wick went like that.

1:34:00

And I, all I could do was just throw it up in the air.

1:34:04

My car was filled with paper from the firecrackers.

1:34:12

Well, the only reason it's even funnier than that is as they went around the corner, there was a

1:34:18

bunch of forest preserve cops.

1:34:21

And I don't know if they saw the firework thing or not, but the guy flagged me down to talk to me

1:34:26

and he's like, what's going on?

1:34:30

And he goes, first of all, are you dumping those bags here?

1:34:33

He goes, I don't even want to know what's in those bags.

1:34:36

He goes, but you're not dumping them here, right?

1:34:37

I go, no, I'm not dumping them here.

1:34:39

And he goes, what the fuck is with the rest of this shit?

1:34:43

I go, oh, last night somebody threw fucking firecrackers in my car.

1:34:48

Yeah, but, uh, yeah, he bought the story.

1:34:50

I don't know.

1:34:51

Maybe you're laughing at me going to dumbass.

1:34:53

Hey, he was quick with a story.

1:34:55

So let him go back in the 80s and early 90s, the cops, they let kids be kids.

1:35:00

Yeah.

1:35:01

Um, so yeah, so be careful.

1:35:04

If you think it's a dud, just dials it with water.

1:35:08

Have first aid kits on hand.

1:35:10

I say this like I would do this because I wouldn't do it anyway.

1:35:13

Have wound care, burn, have like some stuff for burns.

1:35:18

You know, I mean, shit happens and these, you know, sparklers, what the fuck is up with sparklers?

1:35:24

What do you mean?

1:35:24

We give them to kids.

1:35:25

Yeah.

1:35:26

It's so you can weld with a sparkler.

1:35:28

Like if you wanted to weld like some thin metal,

1:35:30

you could probably get it to weld.

1:35:32

Yeah.

1:35:32

But these kids run around with it.

1:35:34

Yeah.

1:35:34

Like a three year old will run around with a sparkler that's probably 3000 degrees.

1:35:39

Yeah.

1:35:39

I don't know.

1:35:40

What's wrong with that?

1:35:42

It's freedom.

1:35:43

You poke your eye out with that.

1:35:44

I never saw anyone who did.

1:35:46

I know.

1:35:48

But yeah, I gave him, I had him.

1:35:49

I gave him to my kid.

1:35:50

Run around.

1:35:51

Do it like this.

1:35:52

Tell your name.

1:35:54

Um, yeah.

1:35:55

I think the internet made things more dangerous.

1:35:58

You made it state these are more dangerous than they actually are.

1:36:00

I don't know.

1:36:00

Yeah.

1:36:01

Um, but just take safety precautions.

1:36:02

I don't want to see somebody lose the head.

1:36:04

But if you do, send it to us.

1:36:06

Yeah, show us video.

1:36:06

I'll put it on the shelf.

1:36:08

No, seriously.

1:36:09

I'll pay to have it like, I don't know, scooped out.

1:36:12

And so I saw a video of a Russian soldier like riding a Jeep or something.

1:36:16

Yeah.

1:36:17

He lost his head, but it wasn't fireworks.

1:36:19

Oh, yeah.

1:36:20

That's holy shit, man.

1:36:21

Like it was, it was meat.

1:36:22

Like it was one second he was driving and the other second was just meat flying everywhere.

1:36:25

It was wow.

1:36:27

The, the, the funniest things is the Simpsons, they were at a car race and the car crashed

1:36:32

and the dude's helmet flew off when flying into the stands and cleanest.

1:36:36

Yeah.

1:36:36

Yeah.

1:36:37

Goes, oh, look, honey, oh, damn it.

1:36:39

Someone's sorry.

1:36:40

Scoop the head out.

1:36:44

So yeah, if you lose your head, put it in your will.

1:36:46

You want us to have it.

1:36:47

Well, we'll just play it properly.

1:36:48

Yeah.

1:36:49

We'll be respectful of it.

1:36:50

I won't put like a dildo in your mouth or anything.

1:36:52

I might, but it would only be for comic value.

1:36:55

Um, so as soon as your heads.

1:36:58

All right, guys, have a good time.

1:36:59

Enjoy the photo.

1:36:59

Bye.

1:37:00

If you're in America, if you're not in America, go to work tomorrow.

1:37:02

Yep.

1:37:02

Make some money.

1:37:03

See you next week.

1:37:04

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