Hey, welcome to the Canary in the Cage podcast. I'm Ron Morgan, I'm a co-host Dave Havlicek.
We're here to educate you, entertain you, and hopefully make you laugh.
Dave Havlicek. Indeed.
So, are we going to go big beautiful bill? We're going to go to the Didler.
Yeah, I mean, we can start with either one. Those are the big stories of the week.
We'll start with the big beautiful build. Okay.
So, it just passed the Senate and the House passed the Senate changes. Yep.
So now it's going to go to Trump's desk. He's probably going to sign it.
No, he's got a ceremony tomorrow in Iowa. He's going to sign it tomorrow.
Well, he's going to auto pen it, of course. Yes.
Call that woman and say, Hey, you're the auto pen lady, right?
No, he's going to do it on the stage in front of everybody.
Oh, fuck. This is a nightmare, dude.
Like, so now you seem a little shocked because we were talking about this before the show.
You're using a little shock that the Senate could just sneak things in the last minute.
Well, they can pass them. They can make changes that they talk about and they agree upon.
Yeah. But they don't have to talk about or agree upon them. They just put it in there.
Well, yeah. But before they pass it, they will want to hear or they talk about everything.
But they don't. They put things in and then pass it.
So is there more stuff stuck in or just the one thing?
Well, the one thing that we're going to talk about, because it's related to Vegas and my
career as a poker player, my former career as a poker player anyway,
but I'm sure there's other shit in there that other communities are upset about.
But this is what they do. Like they sneak shit in and they just pass it through and then.
But typically when something is put in, they know who did it.
I don't think that's the case. I don't think we do.
Well, normally they do because it's pork for their area.
Well, so now we're going to get to this part is I think that this actually benefits the casinos
and like online gambling sites. And I'll talk about why.
So before we get there, do you think it was an effort to kill the bill?
No. This is not big enough to make anybody change.
The mayor of Las Vegas came out the morning of.
I know the poker community.
I have a theory about well, it's not about the mayor, but I have a theory about
the Nevada Congress people about this.
Oh, do you think they might have snuck it in?
Well, okay. So the so Dean Titus came out on Twitter today or yesterday after it passed already,
complaining about, you know, this is bad for gamblers. This is bad for Nevada.
I'm going to create a bill to cancel it.
Now, think about if she's going to cancel it.
Why why she might put it in there in the first place secretly.
Well, now she's a Congress person, so she couldn't have put it in there.
Right.
And that would have to be the Senate.
What about senators?
But they're all working together, right?
So if you think about it, the Democrats were always voting no on this regard because
because Orange Man bad doesn't matter. They don't care what's in the bill.
Orange Man bad.
So the Democrats, especially the Nevada ones who know this is bad for Nevada,
would sneak this in there.
Okay.
The last minute knowing it's going to pass so that now they can grandstand and say,
this is bad for Nevada. We're going to stop Trump.
Oh, Trump did this. How dare he.
See, now this is not proof of it.
It's just a theory.
That's that's because if you believed it was bad,
why are you only on Twitter today after it's passed?
Why aren't you on Twitter two days ago saying this is in the bill?
We have to stop this.
Yeah.
Right. She didn't say a goddamn thing about it until after it passed.
So they're going to use this to make hay against Trump.
It's just a theory.
I don't know.
No, no, I like it. That actually explains a lot.
Well, because we don't know who put this in there.
Let's see who's no name on it.
Let's see who comes out.
Who was the first one to use it?
Yeah.
Well, so now they're not going to get to why.
Well, actually, let's let's have more what happened because we skipped over that.
Right. Well, yeah.
So there's a provision put in the bill, the tax section.
That says if you're a professional gambler or actually any gambler,
right.
And if so, normally the way gambling taxes work is really fucking stupid.
And like this is where actually Europe has way better than us.
They don't tax your gambling wings at all.
This is an American thing.
So.
Soccer.
Yeah.
So the way it works is you would think you just take your net and then add that to your income.
But that's not what happens.
Okay.
So let's say that you have a $100 win on day one.
Right.
And then you have a $90 loss on day two.
Okay.
You don't just say I have $10 of income.
Right.
Can't do that.
So what you do is you say I have $100 of income and then I take a $90 deduction.
Right.
Now the bill, now normally you would take the full $90 deduction.
Right.
So what this bill changed is you can only take 90% of that 90 as a deduction.
So basically it makes it impossible to be a professional gambler.
Right.
Well, the way it was explained to me, and actually I heard about this little temporal
podcast, which I don't listen to by a stubbler, I stumble across it.
And this kind of made sense.
If you win $100,000.
Yeah.
And then over the course of the year, you lose $100,000 or more.
Yes.
You can only deduct.
Typically you go and deduct what your winnings are.
Right.
So typically you only deduct $100,000.
Now you can only deduct $90,000.
Yes.
So you got to pay the $10,000.
Well, you pay taxes on 10.
Yes.
You never won.
That's your down.
You're down money.
It's unrealized gains.
Right.
I mean, this is absolutely fucking insane.
It literally makes it impossible to be a pro gambler, which is already hard enough in America,
right?
Because they're taxing it in the first place, which is like,
you earned that money and they took taxes from your earnings,
and now you're gambling that money.
And they're saying you owe taxes on that too, which that's fucking insane.
That makes no sense.
Because it's not like they're only taxing the capital gains of your gambling.
No, they're taxing all of your gambling.
It's fucking stupid.
Other countries don't do this.
Why are we doing this?
Because...
See, I've never understood this because if you're,
especially if you're a professional gambler.
Yeah.
And you should be able, and you're declaring your winnings as income.
Yes.
Why are you not able to deduct your mileage driving the air back?
You are.
And you also should be able to...
You conducted almost everything.
You should have deducted all your losses, not just up to the $100,000.
Well, yeah, I...
Yeah, so if you make it like an S corp, then you can make...
I'm not 100% sure on this because I never been an S corp.
I just did personal.
Right.
The other thing you can't do is do carry forwards.
So if you run a normal business and you lose money in year one,
you can take that loss and apply to year two's taxes.
A gambler cannot do that.
So if you lose money year one, that's just gone.
And if you win in year two, you owe taxes on the year two, the amount.
I mean, it's all fucked up.
It's so fucking stupid.
And now here's why I think the casinos are in bed with whoever snuck this in here.
Now, they're never going to announce it because they don't want you to know this.
But casinos hate pro gamblers.
They fucking hate us.
Okay.
Because in their mind, that's their money.
Right.
We're taking money out of the house that they believe is owed to them.
They think we deliver no value.
We're taking comps from them.
Right.
Because we're gaining the system, so to speak.
And they don't like it.
So now they're wrong because a pro gambler is essentially a liquidity provider.
So think about it in poker terms.
So if I show up to play poker, I'm making a game happen.
Right?
Yeah.
So with me not there, you have an empty seat.
Right.
That you got to fill with a tourist.
And you might not fill with that tourist.
Right.
But I'm going to be there every day.
Like I'm a guaranteed show.
So the regardless of me being profitable, I am delivering value to the casino by making
sure your tables look full.
Well, but wait, they get paid in the poker room by a percentage of the pot.
Yes.
So the fact that you're in that chair, the pot's bigger.
Yes.
But ideally, I mean, yeah.
But in their mind, now this is kind of truish for a lot of poker players.
Like a lot of them show up and put the hoodie on and like sit their head down like this and
they fucking have an iPad and they are kind of bad for the game.
But a lot of people doing that are from Europe.
Now, so what these European people do is they'll come here on a travel visa,
which I believe you have four months.
Okay.
And they'll just like stay 10 to a room in like an Airbnb or something.
And then just fucking grind out the casino all day.
And then like they don't have taxes at all, right?
Because so they're very profitable doing this.
No, they search to pay taxes on the money.
They don't owe any taxes because they're Europeans.
They're here traveling.
But if you come here and work, you're not working.
They're gambling.
They're having fun.
Huh.
I didn't know that.
So even if they went to tournaments, now a tournament will automatically take the taxes out
for you and then report it for you because they're so nice.
Yeah.
Now, if a European went to tournament, they'll do that.
And then the European has to file a redemption form to get that money back
once they're back home in their own country.
So yeah, they don't pay taxes on that.
So like they're going to fucking clean house.
So like now these casinos probably think they're pulling a fast one.
Like, oh, pros are going to be fucked.
Oh, but actually no, you're going to see more of these euros that actually are bad for the game
show up because they don't have to pay this fucking tax and see American pros.
The guys who do make the game, who make it friendly, who make it fun,
the guys who you put on TV, right?
They're the ones who are fucked by this.
Well, it's going to be interesting how it plays out.
I like your theory on it, though.
That makes a lot of sense.
It's very plausible.
Well, yeah, I just, I don't know how if it's not initial or if they don't know who put it in,
it should be all regularly removed though.
Somehow it works.
They don't go for it.
Like, yeah, the other thing is like none of these lawmakers actually write laws.
They never ever write any laws.
So what happens is a lobbyist, now whether that's a corporate whatever or just you, right,
that lobbyist writes the law and goes to their office and says, hey,
it would be really cool if you pass this law.
And then they just pass that law, right?
So they say, oh, these all privately written laws.
So you could, I mean, essentially you could sneak in anything you want.
Of course.
Especially if it's like a time correct like this.
And then you got like Trump dumbass,
who thinks this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Well, I'm going to hold my opinion on this right now because.
Well, this provision of the bill is unequivocally bad.
On the other big, beautiful bill.
I'm going to see if it's big, beautiful.
You know, I mean, it's like more debts, right?
No, see that.
Okay.
So that's that's Massy's problem.
I'm a Massy supporter, 100%.
I think he should have voted for this, but he didn't.
And I respect him for not doing it.
He shouldn't have.
Well, he, but if it was under Biden, he voted for every density.
We've already taught.
Like, why do you keep bringing this up when we've already talked about?
So if he voted for to raise the debt, Senator Biden,
why wouldn't he do it for under Trump?
Because Trump did not give the same concessions.
He said, I demand X, Y and Z.
And Biden gave them.
Trump did not.
So the big, beautiful bill, if you just do the simple math,
it looks like we're adding a bunch of money to the debt.
Because we are.
But no, what they're not, what the people are not realizing is
the country's going to grow over these.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
That's what they always fucking saying.
It never works that way.
Okay.
We just signed a good deal.
Ungood deal.
This is so dumb, dude.
Like, no, we didn't.
We'll see.
But we didn't sign the trade agreement.
No, it wasn't good.
For the first time ever, American products are going to be sold.
What products?
Whatever they want to sell.
What products are you talking about?
They can end more products to sell.
Do you think that anyone in Vietnam, like farming rice,
can afford American products?
The few American products that we make are all like super expensive.
But they can't afford that.
What are you talking about?
We'll see.
I mean, it's it's it's not like a good thing.
No, it's not.
Oh my God, dude.
This is so stupid.
You're going to find out like you, I don't know why like you,
you keep trying to kick that football because like Trump's already lied to you about
bobbing places and like the one thing I called that out last week.
Well, but yeah, but you keep falling for it.
You're not falling for anything.
You're falling for it.
I want to see this.
I want to call balls and strikes and I want to see how this bill plays out.
I don't even know what's terrible.
Do you know what's in this bill completely?
Like, nobody does.
Nobody like literally nobody does.
So I want to see if there's help for the American people now.
The government cannot help the people.
That's like you still don't get that.
The government has abused the people.
But the government cannot help.
So if Trump was to ban the income tax, that would not help the people.
That wouldn't be okay.
So when I say the government cannot help the people, what I mean is the government cannot
take an action that would result in helping the people.
They can refrain from doing something.
So yes, you're right on that.
On that.
Right.
And that's what I want to see.
I don't think the ban.
I think we would have known things about that.
Well, I wanted to say because Trump has talked about ban income tax.
So I'm curious if it's a secret.
No, no, he's like a month ago he brought it up again.
So I want to see, I was like, but it's not just that.
Like apparently they, we find your taxes, you get X amount of dollars to deduct from your taxes.
Standard deduction.
See, yeah, he raised that.
Well, it's been going up every year anyway.
Okay.
So but let's see how much it went up.
Let's see what he does.
Social security, I don't think it's a no tax, but I think the tax break at the end of the
year or something on it, it's supposed to be good.
Let's see if it's actually good.
The no tax on tips is amazing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you, if you're a bartender, you make $15 an hour and you get tips and you make,
and your year ends $100,000, which in Vegas is not that hard to do.
Right.
You just got a $30,000 raise.
Well, do you understand that people are going to start tipping less, right?
See, that's okay.
No, there's that.
And they're saying restaurants might start paying less.
Right.
And then call those fucking companies out.
Call them out.
I mean, it's legal, right?
It's not breaking the law.
Well, true, but go to social media with that.
Okay, that's fine.
And start trashing that company.
All right.
No, we have to fight because.
What do you mean by, okay, like you're, you keep acting like there's this pile of wealth
somewhere and then like there's this, this dragon sitting on it, preventing you from
getting your piece of it.
So that's not how it works.
Let me speak.
Wealth is created by businesses doing business.
So the libertarian party meets the PT's bar.
Okay.
A version of the PT.
Yeah, yeah.
Sierra Gold or whatever else they call it, whatever.
Let's say PT's goes, oh, we're gonna start paying our bartenders less because they get
more tips now.
One, the libertarian party should pull out and never go to those bars again.
Why?
Because you're supporting the workers.
You don't know what makes those workers better off.
No tax on tips makes them better off.
100%.
Not necessarily.
How you figure?
Because if they're gonna lower, if they lower their wages in other ways.
If the corporations try to profit from this or make their bottom line better.
Again, you keep saying this.
Everybody tries to profit.
That's what life is.
Your life is profit.
So stop saying it's bad.
Did we need to?
Stop acting like it's bad.
Didn't we need to bublight their ass?
No.
Yes.
No, dude.
That's not how it works.
Stick up for your local bartenders.
Dude, do you only need to fucking, like, no.
This is not how it works.
The market arrives at the optimal solution given the rules placed upon them.
Right.
So it has nothing to do with morale.
It stops thinking it's a moral issue.
You don't think we, the people, have made positive changes in corporations before?
Not through the means that you're talking about.
Uh, bublight?
Like, how's bublight different?
What do you mean?
They lost a lot of fucking money.
Okay, so what?
They tried to apologize.
So what?
They fired.
How is your life better because of this?
It's not.
I didn't drink bublight.
Okay, then what are you talking about?
You said it improved lives.
No one's life is improved.
We took a corporation out behind the woodshed.
We put a bullet in it.
Who gives a fuck?
It doesn't do anything.
It sets up for the next one.
No, it doesn't.
Set up what?
So what company do you think is going to do that again?
You think a company's going to do it bublight too?
What?
Like, they put a fucking retarded Instagram guy on a can.
Who gives a fuck?
Yeah, apparently the American people did.
Okay, but so what?
Like, why does it affect you?
I don't understand.
Like, if you don't like it in the first place,
you've known me for a couple years.
Like, you know I do stuff that's not about me.
But it's not about helping nobody else either.
You think it's helping other people, but it's not.
No tax on tips is a net pus.
If you change nothing else, sure, but you can't do that.
So if these corporations try to make changes,
so you make less money now, put them on blast.
They will make changes because corporations' purpose
is to make a profit.
And the American citizens have a right to spend their money there
or somewhere else.
Sure, but you're saying we should.
You should.
You're telling me I should spend my- no.
You don't tell me where I should spend my money.
You decide where you spend your money.
The Libertarian Party decides where it makes up.
You don't tell me I have to do anything.
You can go and support the company
that everyone else is boycotting.
Hopefully there'll be less lines there for you.
That's right, there'll be less lines.
You'll get your glass of water a little quicker.
And I'll get the tip last too.
That's right.
But I'm saying you act like this is some kind of moral issue.
It's not a moral issue.
People are going to do what they do.
It's a moral issue.
It's not a moral issue.
What you earn is what you're worth.
Your earnings are based on the value you provide.
You bust it.
And it has nothing to do with morality.
You busted my ass when I said that when Trump gets in office,
the grocery store food prices should go down.
And you're like, they are not going down.
They haven't.
Yes, they have.
When?
What do you talk?
Gas isn't down?
Go to your down home.
No, no.
First of all, gas is down everywhere, but here.
I've been trying to figure out why we-
California too.
California.
We buy our gas from California.
I think that's the problem.
But it can't be enough of the problem.
I mean, our gas prices per gallon is higher than Chicago.
Chicago is the second highest taxed gas in the country.
I haven't seen groceries come down.
Oh, yeah, they have.
I haven't heard what the hell you're smoking.
I'm still paying over $100 a week for groceries.
Well, they came down.
Where restaurants have- the price are dropping in restaurants.
I haven't seen that either.
We- when we go out, if we go out, all three of us go out.
It used to be over $100.
Now, doing the same meals and the same drinks,
we can get up around 80 bucks now.
I want to see some receipts on that.
No, I mean, the- the prices are coming down.
And if not fast enough, then we, the people, should get together
and do something about it.
I'm sure the price should do whatever they want.
You keep-
I'm so clean.
We-
But you keep acting like there's something you can do about it.
There's not.
Netflix, Bud Light.
Right.
Have they reduced their prices?
No.
Netflix, by their CEO.
But the prices aren't down.
On Netflix?
No.
Yeah, Netflix keeps- Netflix needs to get Netflix again.
Right.
But like, again, you keep acting like there's something you can do
that can improve the situation.
There's not.
There is.
No, there's not.
As we the people.
No, there's not.
Yes.
The only thing you can do is start your own competing Netflix
and provide better service for a better cost.
Like, you- you can't just complain and have things get better.
It's not how it works.
Wait.
I said that exact same word to you and you go,
both the podcast is how I'm fighting back.
So the podcast is how I'm fighting back.
That's fine.
You're- you're- I am- I'm perfectly on board with you saying,
I believe that I don't want to spend money when the company does this.
Fine.
But like, you're- you're interming it in terms of like, morality,
where my side is the good, godly people and you people are the satanic,
cruise- like, no, it's not-
The government-
People should spend money where they want to.
We're not- it doesn't matter.
For the first time in my life, I think, the government gave people-
the American people a gift.
They gave- they did something that was actually good on the surface.
Okay.
It's actually good.
But if it stays right where it's at.
Okay.
And I don't think a company should be able to sneak in and fix their bottom line.
No, that's not how economies work.
Fuck the economy.
This is how-
The economy is you living!
You eating!
When you say, fuck the economy, you're saying, I want a star!
Stop saying stupid things.
Okay.
I'm not talking about the economy as a whole.
I'm saying-
What you offer!
If a corporation decides to steal this money back from their employees-
It's not stealing!
Yes, it is.
No, it isn't!
Yes, it's a gift.
It's not stealing!
You have an agreement with your employer that you make X-Wage, it's not stealing!
You can quit anytime you want!
Right.
And open your own fucking restaurant!
And those employees can let the customers know what's going on, and we're in a society now where we do fight for-
some people fight for other people.
I know you don't.
But you're not-
That's what you don't get, you're not fighting for other people!
You're being confused by saying, oh, they're not making more money now.
So what?
Who says they're entitled to more money?
So like I said before the show, this bill, this particular part of the bill is retroactive back in January 1st of 2020.
Yeah.
So that means they-
So this is in effect as of tomorrow at whatever time you sign-
As soon as you sign it, yeah.
Yeah, well, yeah.
So as soon as you sign it, it's the bill.
Once the auto pen completes the-
Yeah, once that auto pen gets pushed and suddenly just signs it.
But if we have like six pages added to it, it's auto pen.
Oh no, we're not under-bind anymore.
Let's let this rest a little bit.
Let's have a conversation again.
Let's see what the first company is that has the balls to go after this and see what happens.
What? Like a game, like-
You're gonna see-
So because remember, we have X now.
X.
You can-
You're a lot more free on X.
Mark Zuckerberg can't shut us down.
Okay.
So if the FBI goes and, hey, hey, they're going after this really-
They're going after BlackRock, shut them down, delete all the comments.
Okay.
And he does.
Yeah.
X hopefully doesn't do that.
I know they still throttle and they still block and there's-
But it's a lot free on X right now.
I'm just saying like stop-
Let's see if a movement starts because movements are made.
Okay, but I'm just-
I'm saying just because your movement achieved, like let's say Applebee's,
to pick an example at random, I'm not saying Applebee's does this or whatever,
but let's say the Applebee says we're going to reduce wages so that's and such to account for
the no tax on tips and people don't like this and they protest and they bitch and they moan.
And they stop going to Applebee's and Applebee goes out of business.
Are those employees better off now?
They have no job.
See this is what drives me fucking crazy.
See now your chairman just answered the question are they better off?
I'm going to give you an example.
When the auto industry was failing and we had to bail them out, they're like, oh my god,
we have to have cars.
People need cars to buy.
We have to bail these companies out.
No, we don't need to bail them out.
Let them-
I'm not saying bail them out.
Let them fail.
And if a hundred cars are sold a month,
a hundred cars are going to be sold a month again.
They'll just go to Chevy versus-
I didn't say bail.
And he's like, yeah, I said are these workers who have now lost their jobs better off?
I guess I'll get my crayons out and draw this out for you then.
You're not answering.
So the same amount of people that go out to eat every day are still going to go out to eat.
They're going to be shoving fucking food down their fucking pie hole.
Okay.
Whether they do an Applebee's, TGIF, a local place, they're still going to go out.
So if there's a hole brought in the market, then other companies hire these people.
So yes, though, we'll sacrifice a company, which we might have to do.
And you're better off because you got a job somewhere else that is respecting you
and respecting the gift the government gave you.
But you're assuming that the people are going to do this.
You're assuming that the people aren't going to reduce their tips.
If this was five years, so will people reduce their tips?
Then I believe.
I mean, tips have been going up.
When I was growing up, you tip like 12%.
You got to tip 20%.
You got to tip 30%.
They turn the fucking iPad around.
You got to tip 80%.
Tip 100%.
Well, okay.
So there was a movement, try to get tip 20% at the bar.
I'm like, I took a dollar a drink.
Sorry.
But here's the question.
If you know that.
I tip way more than fucking whatever.
If you buy a $45 hamburger, which exists on the strip, do you tip 20% of that?
Well, actually, so I'm different because I comp all that shit.
So like, I'll tip 50% sometimes.
Well, okay, because you got to comp.
Right.
But I'm saying if you go out to dinner, you're going to buy a $45 hamburger.
Are you going to tip 20% of that hamburger?
I'm right.
It depends on the service.
I mean, if I'm in and out within 45 minutes or a half an hour, I'm done.
I would tip probably 20 bucks.
I wouldn't tip 20% on the 40.
Well, that's more than 50%.
No, no, no.
When I go out, I go out with my family.
Oh, yeah.
So you have the one person.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I tip based on the service.
Like, if you have bad service, I'm fucking reducing that tip.
Yeah.
Double gets me though, is you got to touch on it a second ago.
They put down the amount you should tip.
18% is okay.
20% is good.
Right.
25% is great.
And they put a total next to it because apparently we can't do math anymore.
No, but.
What do they do?
They do things that really pisses me off in that.
The auto tip?
They put that 15% or 20%.
They do it off the taxed.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
I don't tip on that.
Right.
Yeah, you don't tip on tax.
I don't tip on tax.
Right.
But they, but if you're, if you're looking at the bill,
Right.
I may tip more than 20%, but I'm not tipping both the 20% based on my taxed amount.
Right.
I go off my pre tax.
Right.
I mean, yeah.
So, no, I mean, yeah, it's tipping is a very sensitive issue.
I don't want to get on the wrong side of, I actually got into an argument, the guy on
the X about this and I'm just like, um, oh, it was a force tipping.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
I end up just telling the guy, I'm sorry that you're such a fucking shitty server that
your company has to force people to tip you.
Because I,
You're talking about like the six person or more or just the,
No, it's a service fee.
It's a 20% service fee.
Okay.
So you, see you later.
I'm going to this restaurant.
See, like this is, I'm boycotting, but I'm not going to say you should boycott.
No, I'm going to boycott.
And if you ask me why, I'll tell you why, but like, I don't believe in the should nonsense.
Everyone should choose for themselves what they want to do.
And then like, stop going on Twitter informing movements.
Because it's fucking, you're creating a mob of people who don't think for themselves.
That's what really object to.
So I love it when a group of people come together and affect change in a corporation.
Yeah.
But you don't know that change is good.
That's the problem.
Like you know what?
You're just mob mentality.
Like just do it.
Just do it.
You don't know that the result is good or not.
Always care if it's good or not.
And you should.
I care that it happened.
Why is it so stupid?
Because the company's going to go, well, they did it to them.
They can do it to us.
You don't think.
But we can always do it.
They know that they already know that.
You don't think that Miller, Kors, Stroze, they don't, you don't think they're buttholes
puckered.
I think they always, they always like, they forget sometimes every once in a while.
So they always know it deep down.
So in the past, people used to be like, oh, it'll blow over.
It'll blow 30 days.
Next new cycle, it'll blow over.
Well, guess what?
With social media and the passionate people, the shift's not blown over anymore.
And we're affecting change.
Why am I not allowed as an American citizen to try and affect change in a corporation?
You aren't just saying like, why are you chestizing me for it?
Because of the way you're going about it, right?
Like you're saying, yo, shut up, do this.
And this is a moral thing.
And let us know you're encouraging people to not think.
Okay.
If, sure.
I mean, maybe I don't, I don't know, I don't know how to respond to that.
Well, that's what you're doing.
You're creating a mob.
Like stop trying to create a mob and start trying to create thinking consumers who actually
like take the time to research and then think what's actually better and what's worse and
talk to the servers.
Are you better off?
Do you like this change?
Are you making more money?
Right.
Nobody wants to talk to the servers.
Did you fall asleep last night and wake up the 1980s?
What?
That's like old mentality, dude.
It's, it's a, we don't think for ourselves anymore.
That's what we need to bring it back.
We got our schools telling us our kids want to wear.
We need to bring that back.
That's the problem.
We got no, no haggle pricing.
Okay.
Think about it.
Like hard doers.
Think about this, right?
When the Washington Redskins wanted to change the name of the team because it's offensive,
right?
All these Native American groups came out and said, well, we're not affected by that.
Yeah.
But that's what you're doing.
Like you're, you're trying to make change without even asking the people involved.
Hey, how do you feel about this?
How does this affect you?
Can you show me like what you do data?
So if I could interview people with a company, you should hold on with a company lowers.
So a typical bartender makes 15 bucks an hour.
Okay.
I don't know.
That's what it is.
So minimum wage in this state is like nine or 10.
I don't know exactly what it is.
Let's say a restaurant goes, you know what?
Where's our pain of art?
It has been in the wage now.
Okay.
You think I have to ask these people if they're going to be pissed off?
It's not about are they pissed off?
It's are, are you better off, worse off or the same?
We're all better off if we sacrifice a company.
No, you're, you're, you're a suit.
Again, you're assuming that there's this pile of money out there that the bartenders just
can't get at.
And if we change this one rule, suddenly the bartenders can get that money.
Well, that's not how the economy works.
Again, you're going to the economy.
I'm going to the at the restaurant.
There is that pile of cash.
I made $5 an hour more before the no tax on tips and my company took that $5 hour away
for me and I can't get to it anymore.
It's a pile of cash.
It's right there.
They're taking away from you.
I just can't get to it.
They're not taking it away.
It's not yours.
They're taking it.
If they lower your hourly rate, they are taking it away from you.
No, they're not.
You're not entitled to a specific wage.
You get the market rate.
Technically you are.
No, you're not.
If you got a job offer letter and it says...
Yeah, but bartenders don't get that.
I mean, I guess you could break down to how they advertise the position,
that they put it in writing.
But again, I don't...
Right, but they could just fire all the current bartenders and rehire new ones at the new wage.
I don't...
So are they better often?
Well, no, that's not to do that.
No, but if you have all these rules and...
So sacrifice...
That's what you're going to do.
Take the company out behind the woodshed.
No, see, that's not the answer.
By the way, I'm not abean shooting you.
That's like an old reference to an old yellow movie where the dog was dying
and they had to leave the dog out behind the woodshed.
I'm not...
Don't kill Luigi out of jail.
I don't need any more CEOs to steal.
All I'm saying is stop pretending you're the moral crusader just like the Washington Redskins.
No, I'm the obstructionist.
You don't fucking care about the actual people.
No, you're not.
No, I love to be an obstructionist.
So that's not relevant.
No, it is.
If I could be the turd in the punch bowl of Applebee's, I will gladly be the turd in the punch bowl.
You might end up hurting the people you claim you're trying to help.
I'm telling you right now, 100 people eat out a day, 100 people eat out the next day.
This is not how the economy works.
That's not how the economy works.
So people are going to be like, oh, let's go to Applebee's.
Closed.
Fuck it, let's go to the grocery store and buy food.
No, that's not how eating out works.
No, but what's going to happen is they're going to go to TGI Friday.
Yes.
And then TGI Friday's going to say, oh man, it's like a two hour wait because everybody's here now.
And they're going to say, well, we're not going to fucking wait two hours.
We're going to go home.
Right? Like you can't.
That would fix itself very quickly because what would wait, what would TGIF do if they had a two
hour wait?
Well, there's a couple things they could do.
How could they fix that problem?
There's a couple things they could do.
They could hire more people.
No, because no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not the answer though.
Okay.
Because they have a limited space and they have limited tables at that space.
So you maybe can hire like one or two more people.
Yeah.
But the actual answer is have more hours, right?
Because we cut back during COVID.
Like there were so many 24 hour places that aren't here anymore.
Now it's not going to cover everything because a lot of people only want to go out of their time.
I mean, we're, we're, we're a 24 hour city.
So we used to be.
Right.
We're, we've talked like maybe, but yeah.
So no, the real answer to that problem is you need to either raise your prices, right?
So that, well actually it's both.
It's one, raise your prices and two, build more locations.
Okay.
But now the problem is you can't just build more locations because the government is going to
fucking stop you from doing that.
Well, hold on though.
What if you could not build and just like take over the Lisa somewhere like an Applebee's?
Right.
But then there's another building that has to be.
That's signed down.
Put the T-shirt here for this sign up.
Come on in.
We're open for business.
It's like a day.
I mean, I can even make the sign form on a cardboard.
Okay.
So now you got to pay for that building.
Yes.
Right.
And now you got to make that money back for that building that you paid for.
Yes.
So you got to raise your prices.
A hundred people are going to eat on a day no matter what.
I'm telling you it's not as simple as you're trying to make a bee.
So what?
So stop acting like it is.
Because you can't.
I can't prove it is and you can't prove it's not.
No, it's not.
I know it's not.
No, in your mind it's not.
No, it's just not.
But you have this little pocket.
The economy is not simple.
You can't just say let's tweak this one little rule and everything will be better.
You can't do that.
So going back to the car dealership analogy, do you think less people would have bought cars
if Chevy went out of business?
Do I think less people?
I don't know.
Like there's no way to know that.
That's the problem.
If a hundred people bought a car for the last 60 months, a very low number.
But if a hundred people bought a car every month for 60 months at a row,
you don't think 61 month is going to be a hundred people?
There's no way to predict that.
That's the economy doesn't behave the way you want it to.
This is why every time...
The only thing that changes is Chevy went out of business.
This is why every time you come to the meetup, we have this tiny little book that's like
60 pages long that's called Economics in One Lesson.
And we all say you Ron, read this book and you never read it.
Read the fucking book, Ron.
You don't know I won't because I asked you, you don't do this.
I ask other people, what's your opinion on this?
Well, in this book it says this.
I don't fucking care what the book says.
What is your opinion?
Okay, right.
So read multiple books on the issue, use your brain to formulate an opinion on your opinion,
and let those words come out of your mouth.
Okay.
When somebody goes, well, this book says this, I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm out.
Okay.
Again, this book is like 60 pages long.
It's not an opinion book.
It's a book about how to properly think about economics.
And I cannot possibly deliver the value of that book to you better than the book will.
But what makes this guy right?
Read it and find out.
Henry Hazlett.
I haven't heard it.
Okay.
He's an old school.
If you say little freedman, I'd probably be like, okay.
No, no, he's an old schooler.
He was in that class.
Yeah, okay.
Try, dude, read the fucking book.
Like I'll fucking go to the next meetup.
I'll get a copy.
I will bring it here.
Read the book.
Will you read it to me on the podcast?
No.
It's like 60 pages long.
You can sit there and read it.
I'll get my little sleepy hat on with the little ball at the top of it.
Read the book.
And I'll just go crazy.
Again, it's not an opinion book.
It's, it's, it's a fact book, but it's his facts.
Yes.
Okay.
It's not even a fact.
It's not even a fact book.
Because a fact book is like, okay, I recorded this stuff I saw in the world.
He's not doing that.
He's explaining how to properly think about these economic issues.
So if somebody was, what do you call that thing that's got like two hard covers and a bunch of
like soft stuff in the middle with a bunch of words written on it?
Oreo.
And a bunch of lies on it?
Or, or you'll cook.
What do you call that thing?
Oreo cookies.
It's a book.
A book can be full of lies.
It's a real book.
Fine, but read it.
But it can still be full of lies.
Okay.
If everybody that's, that's smarter than you about economics.
Who's smarter than me?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
You'll find that statement.
Okay.
Is telling you to read this book and it's only 60 pages.
It's not a fucking long ass complicated book.
There's no math equations.
You don't have to do homework.
There's no like problem solving.
Read the 60 pages long.
Read the book is in plain fucking English.
It's basically written for a high school level.
How many words per page?
I know it's a very small book.
Read the book.
Large print or small print?
Read the book.
All right.
I mean, I just finished my first book the other day.
Oh my God.
You're supposed to go, you wrote a book.
Was it a good night, was it a good night, Boone or what?
No, you're supposed to go, oh, you wrote a book?
No, I read one.
Yeah.
No, my wife is, she's learned it through universities and stuff and book writing and
books.
Her and I argue all the time because I'm just like,
how do I know that person's right?
Just because they scribble it down on a piece of paper, doesn't make it right.
I understand.
But like you just said to read all these other things and form your own opinion.
Well, if you don't read it, you can't form your opinion.
So if I read that book, I have to read more books.
No, you don't.
To form my opinion.
See how fucking annoying that is?
You don't.
I'd really just be a blowhard.
Because again, you're more fun than being a blowhard.
Because again, this is not a fact-based book.
It's not like the moon landing.
So it's not a fact, it's not what, wait, the moon landing was.
It's philosophy.
It's like, think about it philosophy.
It's a way to think.
No, no, I actually like philosophy books.
Okay, then read the book.
If I were to say what books I've read, what type of books I've read the most of,
it's been philosophy and also the other one, which is probably very,
fairly similar to philosophy, telling how people,
figuring out if people are lying or not, by based on
back body movements and eyes and which direction their eyeballs go,
and setting the baseline up.
So I read those books a lot.
Okay.
Which is, I still think it's kind of a philosophy book.
And then whoever wrote the Lindy Bruce book, this book right here,
stop writing books, dude.
You took an amazing comic and you just fucked it up.
So hopefully he's not alive and gonna sue me.
That's my opinion.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
Well, Pete did he might sue us because we're gonna talk about him.
Oh, the P did, Lord.
Well, so he is guilty.
Yeah.
Of some things.
Well, those charges make no sense to me, by the way, but we'll get into that.
So, so he had five charges against him or four.
Four or five, I forget.
And yeah, there was four, two very serious ones.
Yeah.
Like traffic, a racketeering and Rico.
Those not guilty on, but then he got down guilty on
transporting prostitutes across state life.
But then I was watching the news and they broke down that all the women that he was
trafficking or taking across the, they were all his girlfriend at the time.
Now I'm not saying, I think it was because he was bringing them to sleep with another guy.
But okay.
So definitely your prostitution.
Yeah.
Pain for sex.
There were payments.
Okay.
Was there a cover charge to get through the door?
I think so.
That's not paying for prostitution.
I know I didn't do a deep dive, but I think what happened was is
Pete, did he was sitting in the cup chair while the, the John was fucking his girlfriend
who paid for it and the P did, he was like videotaping it.
Paid for it.
That's what that, that's the very shallow level that I read.
Oh no.
What the fuck?
Why are the girls being arrested?
I don't know.
They're prostitutes.
Well, he pimped them and like he coerced them and whatever.
He was not found guilty on trafficking.
I don't know dude.
He was not found guilty on trafficking.
That's not how courts work.
You're like, that's just not how it works.
Well, no, I, I made the call a couple of weeks ago.
He was going to be off completely.
I mean, like they do this all the time where, uh, if I, if you and I commit a crime,
we grab a bank and I agree to testify against you in exchange for immunity.
They're allowed to do that.
It's the word prostitute.
They, they, they just drives me crazy because one prostitution, two people.
I mean, I don't, I mean, can I, can I pay myself for sex?
I, you can.
I mean, is that illegal?
I don't know.
I mean, I take the money in my right hand.
I'm sure that I put it in my left hand.
I'm sure the statute specifies that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I don't know.
But they, the charges were all fucked anyway.
I don't know if it's a setup to let him get off or if they have so much information, they go,
well, we can't release this because it makes Obama look guilty.
We can't release this because it makes a bunch of Hollywood people guilty.
We mentioned this a long time ago when this whole thing started, uh, is that
he, he said something that pissed off his handlers and they were going to like,
that's what I think.
Make it obvious that, hey, we can, we can do what we want to you.
And this is your warning.
Right.
This is his warning.
I, I agree.
So I think, I think that's what's going on here.
And yeah.
The one problem with that is that it was the jury that found him guilty and not guilty.
So there was the day before the, um, the decision from the jury came,
they contacted the judge and they were trying to get a jury, a member removed
because he was uncooperative.
Oh, okay.
So we don't know if there are, because, okay, let's, let's just
understand you could have plans in a jury.
I mean, I referenced the New York case against Trump where there were no charges,
but yet they found him guilty of 34 charges when there was none.
So you can have people in the jury paid and say, and say, and do a certain,
so they control the jury.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, man.
So I believe he pissed somebody off and this was a smackdown.
And I also believe what, what he should be on bail.
I am not sticking up for this man.
I do not want him out of prison.
I do not, if I had children or my wife would never be around, be allowed to be around that man.
But by the law, I don't think they have a right to hold him in jail without,
you can say he's, he's on a flight risk, but you have to understand his lawyers are probably
telling him he could get time served and be done.
Yeah.
So why would he, why would he flight if, if he's done?
Cause if you can go to, he can easily get to a country where there's no extradition treatment.
He can never come back and see his family.
I don't think he cared.
Dude, what family?
What are you talking about?
Oh yeah, huge family.
He's got twins.
He's got, um, uh, Tucson.
He can just get, bring them to him.
He doesn't give a fuck.
I don't, I don't think he's a flight risk.
And so what?
So who is in a flight risk?
A lot of people aren't.
Who?
People who don't have private planes.
Who can't walk across Canada's border and get on a plane to Canada?
The fucking border is what?
2000, 3000 miles long.
People who don't have any money.
You can walk across it.
Yeah, right.
Have you seen some of these people that they've like fucking put on trial?
They're like 300 pounds.
They, they, you know, lose some goddamn weight.
Yeah.
Well, they're not going to, that's what I'm saying.
They're not a flight risk.
Or they have like a sick mom.
I think it's, like people are,
Thank you.
You're using weird analogies.
He's like, what?
That's what's exactly,
His dogs dying and he wants to be.
That's what they literally argue in court to the judge.
He's like, I have a sick mom.
He's not going to fly.
He's not going to risk.
Okay.
So the, the, the two charges that had violence attached to them, not guilty.
Yeah.
So right there says he should be released on bail.
Well, no, wait, wait.
But the, the, the standard to bring charges is probable cause.
Right.
So they allegedly had probable cause and he did these things.
But they were wrong though.
Per the jury, per our justice system.
No, it's not that they were wrong.
It's that.
They were wrong.
So, no, no.
Probable cause means 51% likely.
That's what it means.
No, I know what you're saying.
I'm just like,
And, and guilty means 99.99999%.
What does not guilty mean?
So not guilty means somewhere in between.
Right.
Cause it's, it's guilt beyond reasonable doubts.
So if, if the jury thinks, well, we're 65% likely that he did.
So he may be trying again for those charges.
No.
Can he, can the judge in two years go, you know what,
you should serve seven years, go to jail for seven years.
So he's not guilty on those charges.
Right.
So they're done.
They're over.
Yeah, they're done.
Okay.
So it's a zero.
And you're analogy.
It's not a zero.
It's a zero.
No.
It has to be.
It's not a zero.
And the, and the eyes of the law, it has to be looked at as zero.
No, it's not zero.
It's the other thing.
The video they showed of him beating up that girl in the hotel.
Uh-huh.
Why was that allowed to be shown?
Um, I, I, somebody, again, I didn't deep dive this,
but somebody mentioned that she's one of the prostitutes.
Give us a, give us a fuck.
Well, I think that, that whole beating incident was during
one of his sessions.
So that was part of the trial.
Okay.
Assuming that that's correct.
I don't know.
So he was never charged with that.
No, I'm saying, I'm saying that incident.
I know, I know.
He was never found guilty of it.
Okay.
He, it's a state charge, not a federal charge.
Yeah.
So that video should not have been shown.
No, that's not, that's not, that's not the.
That does not fall.
Because again, like I said, I didn't deep dive on this.
I don't, I didn't verify it.
But what the, what I heard.
You're probably right.
Because the video was during a prostitution session.
Therefore it is evidence of that event.
So we saw money change hands.
We saw her having sex with another man.
No.
Wait, what, wait, prostitution charges.
We saw.
Hold on, hold on, prostitution charges.
We, what else could we say?
Okay.
Do you somehow think that if there's like a robbery of a convenience store
and they show the, the surveillance footage of the convenience store?
Yeah.
Like, and for example, like you saw
the guy steal a Twinkie before he robbed the place.
Okay.
Would you say that's prejudicial?
You can't show that?
No, it's part of the same event.
It was in the commission of the crime.
Yes.
That's what this was.
Allegedly.
Okay.
Again, it's a word prostitute that really throws me off.
But there was, okay, if you, if I see a man put a Twinkie in a pocket.
Yeah.
I see that.
Yeah.
If you want to say this happened during the prostitution.
Right.
What we're saying, the crime you're on trial for is pointing a gun at the cashier
and, and robbing the money.
Not the Twinkie.
It's so robbery though.
Right.
But we're not talking about the Twinkie.
The Twinkie is not on, you're not on trial for the Twinkie.
Okay.
That's the state charge.
It's difference.
The state has to handle that.
Okay.
But they're showing the full video.
They're showing you taking the Twinkie.
Okay.
That's the same thing.
No, it's not.
It is.
Because what in that video proves that that was part of the prostitution?
Well, what in the part of the video with the Twinkie proves that he robbed the, the, the court?
If he goes Twinkie pocket gun money.
Yeah.
But you should, you should cut out the part with the Twinkie.
That's about relevance.
It's still that from a store.
But that's not what he's on charge for.
It's still a state crime.
But he's not being charged with the Twinkie.
Then let it go.
Then don't show it.
I mean, what, what, what, what, what, what, what would you show it?
You just show the whole video.
That's what you do.
So, because, because there you get a sympathetic jerk.
Oh, well he was still on the Twinkie because he was hungry.
Okay.
Well, that's their risk.
So don't show the video.
That's their risk.
That's the prosecution choice.
But there was nothing in that video that linked him to the charges.
Was it what he did in the video?
Well, no, so like it proves that he was in the building
where the alleged events are played.
There was a hotel.
All right.
So they even freak off at hotels.
Yes.
He was in the cup, you know what a cup chair is?
Yeah, but I know, but I don't understand.
All right.
Well, no, let's, let's, let's go.
So when you go to a hotel, there's always that chair in the corner
and you're like, who, why would you sit in that chair?
That's the cup chair.
Every hotel has a cup chair.
Yes.
I've sat in those chairs before.
Oh, wow.
There you go.
I used to work in the cup chair.
I did not know.
I don't know.
I think your theory is likely correct, but the, you can't control a chair.
You can't, you just can't.
No, you can't.
You can try, but you can't actually do it.
If it's a setup from the get go.
Yeah, you can't.
There's too many fucking variables in there.
It's just too hard.
They'd explain the Trump jury to me.
It was New York.
Everybody in New York, they can follow purple hair you're in.
Let's go.
That's easy.
Has your hair ever been purple?
Right.
I accept this.
This is fucking easy, man.
So no, I do believe that it can be, juries can be manipulated.
The list might go out the day before that actually comes out and you have your chance.
Yeah.
And guess what?
I don't know.
Because the defense attorney would be all over that shit.
They weren't sequestered either.
So, I don't know why he would sit in the court.
Okay, okay, okay.
Oh, you're going on the bus?
Here, why don't you go buy a car?
Yeah, so I guess you can bribe them and threaten them and whatever,
but that doesn't mean they're going to do what you want, right?
Like it makes it more likely for sure, but it doesn't mean they're going to do it.
So in the voting in the jury room, is that foyable?
No.
So it's private?
Yeah.
And the, which it should be.
Which it should be.
Depending on how the jury voted, like even the jury doesn't know how the other members voted,
because you can do secret ballot.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know.
I think jurors, they're penetratable.
Of course they are, but there's no guarantees or anything.
If a big burly dude with tattoos comes up to you and it's like, hey, $20,000, he's not guilty.
And you go, okay, do you think you're going to go guilty?
Right.
But if 11 people say guilty and I say not guilty, like.
Hung jury.
Yeah.
At some point they're going to realize I'm holding out for some bullshit reason.
Okay.
And they're going to call the job.
They're going to tattle on the judge.
Okay.
So if you were on the jury, and it was a murder, and they had a video of the guy shooting the guy,
yeah.
What would you, how would you plead?
Well, that's not good enough.
Well, because before you said no matter what, if I'm on a jury,
I'm going to say the guy is not guilty.
No, I didn't say that.
Yes, you did.
I did not say it no matter what.
You said, well.
So, so here's the, okay.
When you say there's a video of the guy, I know he did the act.
Okay.
And as far as assuming the video is real, not AI, whatever.
And these days you can't even prove that anymore.
So I don't know, but let's, let's assume I believe the video.
Yeah.
The video is real.
Does that mean he committed the statutory crime of murder?
Okay.
Not necessarily.
It could be manslaughter.
Did you see the video?
Could be self-defense.
Did you see the video of the YouTuber shooting the YouTuber?
I did not.
I still haven't seen that.
I don't care.
I still care.
Well, because, okay, because there's a video of him pulling a gun out and shooting it.
Well, there's a video of Kyle Rittenhouse shooting some guy.
He did not commit murder.
It's self-defense.
Well, but there he was on the ground on his back.
I write so like you're saying a video of the guy shooting a guy is not good enough.
Okay.
You agree with me.
Okay.
It's like, it's so, it's actually so fucking hard to prove all the elements
of these crimes that it's a fucking tragedy that defense attorneys
are not doing their fucking jobs.
I mean, like you and juries just fucking phone it in.
Like it's such a fucking problem.
And every time I talk to a smart person who understands this stuff and I say,
well, when you get that jury notice, what do you do?
Oh, I was going to grab garbage.
Dude, fucking do your jury duty.
This is the fucking one way we can fight them back.
Like what the fuck, man?
So I have more of a problem with prosecutors.
Oh, they're terrible.
One, because there's five laws that say the exact same fucking thing.
Yeah.
And they charge you all five times.
Yeah.
Well, no, they go, well, I think they only charge with one of the deputies.
You would think.
Well, whatever.
Depends on what state you're in.
So, so the fact that there's multiple laws for one crime, I think is a, is a help to the defense.
Because it leaves it open for more interpretation.
You go like, well, they aren't charging him with murder, but they could have charged him with murder one.
Right.
But they didn't.
So why did they charge him with murder?
And why, why not manslaughter?
Yeah.
When it's all, you know, you can kind of confuse the jury because they did compare that jury to the OJ jury.
Yeah.
But the OJ jury was confused with DNA.
Right.
Because I think that may have been the first time DNA was running.
It wasn't a major trial.
It was a major trial.
So, and that's what confused the jury.
And I don't know if that happened here.
Well, so, I, you know, we kind of talked, covered this on the show where we talked about the 23andMe shit.
I don't know if I believe DNA evidence anymore.
I don't know.
I do either.
Because like, it's not that I don't believe in the science.
The science is fucking rock solid.
But you can't put the science on that trial and ask it questions.
Right.
You can only put people up there and ask the people questions.
And those people are fucking lying all the fucking time.
Right.
And it's like, when you have a fucking forensic lab that the prosecutors work with,
they're getting paid to be there.
Okay.
They're getting paid to answer the questions that the prosecutor goes over ahead of time.
Right.
They fucking coach them on the questions they're going to ask.
They can talk to the other witnesses against you and corroborate their fucking stories.
How can I can't, as a jury member, I cannot go into the DNA lab and verify chain of custody.
The machines all work.
Right.
I'm just listening to some dickhead say, yeah, I verified it.
Yep.
Thanks for my payment, Mr. Prosecutor.
It's all fucking, they're all lying.
I thought there was a scientific reason not to trust DNA anymore.
Not really.
No, DNA is like very reliable.
Assuming they did it right, which how do you know?
You're just, you're talking to a guy who says it's not right.
I have to look into that because that's when there was something that...
Well, so generally, they get it down to, allegedly, they get it down to a one in a billion match.
And there's eight billion people in the world.
So you could say, well, it could have been eight other people, but then like those other eight
people were in India, right?
They didn't do it.
So yeah, it's very solid assuming everything was done properly, which you cannot fucking prove
that to a jury as far as I'm concerned.
Nobody can prove anything is done properly anymore.
Right.
And it's a huge problem because juries keep voting guilty.
People are incompetent at their jobs.
People will fuck stuff to get certain things done.
There's a lawyer I've watched on YouTube and he went over this case that just happened where
the police forensic sex bird was just lying on hundreds of fucking cases.
But I mean, they just swine straight up fucking lying making it up.
So yeah, that guy did it.
And a lot of people don't know this, but so first of all, only like 50% of murders ever get resolved
in a conviction.
Really?
Yeah, like half murders, like you never convict anybody.
And the half they do solve most of those are the cop thinks it was the boyfriend.
So he brings him down to the station for a consensual chat, which the boyfriend is too dumb
to know it's consensual.
Don't do that.
And he says, we got your DNA.
We got your fingerprints.
We got the weapon.
We got the body.
We got everything.
Are you guilty?
And then they just, they say, yeah, you got me.
So okay, so that brings up an interesting thing because I, okay, this case, I never,
I heard about it when it happened.
I never really looked into it.
You're talking about the guy in Chicago with the writing on the table?
Oh, no, no, I took that.
Oh, yeah, everyone.
Okay.
No, this is, this just happened.
Okay.
The Idaho murders.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The, yeah.
So the guy was caught pretty quickly, but he was caught like in like Pennsylvania or something.
Okay.
Apparently there are a group of people that think he's not guilty.
I don't know enough about the case.
I mean, they, you know, but they, they got him to change his plea to guilty and they're removing
the death penalty off.
Now, would you, if you're, if you're faced with a mountain of evidence, but you didn't do it,
yeah, and the death penalty is attached, would you plead guilty to avoid the death penalty?
Or would you find the fight?
I don't know, man.
Like it's hard.
It's, it's so hard to say, answer that question when I'm not in this agreement.
Because I've got a friend who went to jail and I believe he did this to get less years.
I don't believe he committed the crime.
Yeah.
A lot of people would do that.
Yeah.
And I believe that's what happened.
So now before I was, this is actually the case that started the whole discussion about
shit in a chat room.
I'm in and there was a dark web chat room.
Someone brought it up and what they were saying was they got his phone records where your phone's
always spying on you with the GPS and shit.
And they like, it was in the location at the time the murders happened and all this shit.
And I'm like, give me, they could just make that up.
They could just fucking lie.
You know what I mean?
Like if a guy from the phone company gets on the stand and you know the prosecutor's
paying him to be there and he says, yep, we have, here's the logs.
Here's this piece of text that says his IP address was in this GPS coordination at that time.
That's not proof that just a fucking piece of text on the screen.
Like, they can make this up.
It's just all bullshit, man.
Like they could just literally say, I don't like that guy.
I think he did it.
It's let's just make it all up.
And eyewitnesses are categorically unreliable.
Right.
I mean.
And the cops coach them too.
I mean, like they do like lineups.
Now in a lineup, there's all these criteria that you're supposed to do.
You can't talk to the victim.
You can't do anything to influence their choice.
But they do it all the fucking time.
Like I've heard cases where the victim was being brought into the room
and they saw the guy being walked in in cuffs.
Whereas they saw the other guys not being walked in in cuffs.
That's a tangent fucking thing.
And you're supposed to have your attorney there at the time to be able to point that shit out.
But guess what?
Defense attorneys don't give a fuck.
They're in on the take two.
Most of them.
I mean, they're all part of the fucking bar association
because the government makes you in order to practice law.
So I was streaming bull.
I was watching.
No, I'm trying to find something for you.
No, no, no, no.
And so he's going after, I believe, a murderer.
And he's on the defense side.
But he's on the prosecutor side.
And right in the middle of trial,
when something, a cell phone went off.
And the judge is like, okay, whose cell phone is that?
You know, this is Bob.
And the guy who's being charged goes, oh, I'm sorry, your honor.
It's my mother's medical alert.
She needs her medicine.
May I give her her medicine, please?
So he goes back and gives his mom the medicine.
And they're like, holy shit, the jury's just like.
So Bull knows.
Bull knows the TV you're talking about, my bull.
No.
It's a court drama.
He's a jury scientist.
Okay, like a bar near.
Yeah, well, yeah, he picks a jury.
Yeah, more dear.
Yeah, well, yeah, we do want it.
Yeah.
And so when it was his turn, they were bringing up a witness to talk about him.
He had four US Marshals surrounding his witness, bringing her to the stand.
And the prosecutor, the lawyer's like, come on.
And he's like, well, you did the medicine thing.
Right, right.
The judge was like, this shit's got to stop.
So I don't, this is an old video.
No, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to find it.
Dancing with a little generic search term you got there.
Well, but it's, it's, it back in the day, it would have worked.
So there's a video of people dancing.
Okay.
And you're watching the video.
Yeah.
And a bear dances through the crowd of people.
Oh, like you don't notice the bear?
Yeah, I've seen that.
But then when they slow it down, they show you the bears there and you go back and watch the
beginning of the video, you see the fucking bear.
So what I remember was it was a bunch of people passing a basketball around.
Maybe, yeah.
And the, and the narrator says, okay, count how many times they pass the basketball.
Right, so you're focusing on that.
So you're focusing on that.
And then there's a bear.
Yeah, I remember seeing that.
Yeah.
So that's why I saw him do this.
Right.
Actually the best movie about that is by Cousin Vinny.
Yeah.
And actually like lawyers actually cite that as one of the most
accurate law movies.
I'm done with this guy.
And actually the best scene is when Marissa Torme was saying how qualified a mechanic she is.
Right.
So great movie.
It's a great movie.
Okay.
I think we went different directions on that one, but that's fine.
Do you have anything up here you want to show?
Let's see here.
I don't have anything related to the talks, but let's do the Monero giveaway at this point.
Okay.
So last week we showed you a video of the Italian President, Prime Minister, whatever the
fuck she's called, Maloney.
And she looked kind of fucking weird.
Something weird was going on.
Yes.
And we asked you what you guys thought was going on there.
So we got six answers this week.
First one is from Monero Mash.
And he says Maloney was clearly taking the same stuff as Jacinda Ardern.
And she's the PM of New Zealand or something.
And he sent a link on that.
So let me pull that up.
So she's going with the nose and making some weird facial.
We do remember the train car?
Train car.
The President of France was in there and a few other people.
And the camera came on and there was a bag of white powder on the table.
And someone grabbed it.
No.
And then this time like two old Zaliscus on their tail.
So yeah, that's just all the same.
So yeah, so that was Monero Mash's answer.
Let's get him in the wheel here.
Next we have Al McGuest.
And he says, holy shit, Elon's got some damn good ketamine.
Hold it together, sister.
So that's funny on a couple different levels.
I've never mentioned before she's got a lady boner for Elon Musk.
So we got a new guy called Midnight.
And he came with a simple answer.
The answer is cocaine.
All caps.
That's why I screamed it.
Okay, next we got L337.
He's got, she is to whacked.
Catches a drain then realizes she has to pee.
All 337 has got some weird answers, but it counts.
So wait, say that again.
Say the first couple words.
She is to whacked.
T whacked.
Okay, so that's slang for probably fucked up.
I don't know.
What's the rest of it?
Catches a drain then realizes she has to pee.
I don't know.
So it's probably having to do with starting a rail.
I don't know.
No, we should put that in Google and see what comes up.
Matt McEw came at us with a meme.
So we got a meme here.
Have you heard that I have vibrating panties?
You want to try them?
Mmm.
See, this guy brought in the last one.
Yep.
Oh, close that.
So that was a Matt McEw's answer.
And last but not least, we have Ayn.
She looks like she's picking up radio signals through her
tooth fellings saying put the pineapple on the pizza.
The Italian family had a very fine fellow.
Oh, do you understand the pineapple and pizza?
Well, it's Italian.
She's Italian.
No, we don't tolerate that shit.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, that's code for pizza gate.
First thing don't work.
I can certainly kind of give a kid.
No, dude, do you know her pizza gate, right?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, when it first came out, it was like, no, come on.
But if you if there's videos of people who went after Ellen
DeGeneres, Oprah Winfrey, they've all told her order the pizza.
Let's order a pizza.
You know, let's do this with a pizza.
Oh, it's a pizza.
I don't think that's where Ayn was going, but that's another
layer on top of that.
But the pineapple on the pizza, I believe it's a it's a
it's a well, it's not like she but she's the PM of Italy,
which like we don't tolerate that shit.
But was pizza invented in Italy or China?
Well, it was actually invented in America.
Oh, but they do have like analogues to pizza that keep Italy.
But yeah, so there's our six and right one, two, three, four,
five, six, and let's see who wins.
Midnight, the new guy.
All right, so I did tell
you in the chat, make sure that you watch the show because
this is the only place you're going to learn that you won.
So come find me to collect your monero.
Let's see what we got here.
Oh, we got some sad news.
Oh, yeah.
So Michael Madsen kicked the bucket.
Yeah.
And I went to his Wikipedia page to read about, you know,
what happened and what his life because I didn't know about
his personal life.
And it's basically nothing.
So you know what that means, don't you?
Sorry, I was doing something else.
So like when an actor's Wikipedia page has like no info
for their personal life.
What does that mean?
Yeah.
What does that mean?
He's not no personal life.
I don't know.
He's probably conservative.
Seriously?
I mean, like so good.
If you look at like Will Smith or or what's a good example?
What does that mean?
Rob Reiner or all these people you have built.
No, no.
Robert De Niro.
He's conservative.
Mark Wahlberg is conservative.
Do they have a...
But they're very...
They're very loud about it.
Yeah.
No, but like who would I have to say?
Robert De Niro, right?
You're going to see, oh, he does all this charity work with
activism and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's like fucking paragraphs and paragraphs.
Like I don't give a fuck.
But when they have someone that's like libertarian or
conservatively like Clint Eastwood,
even he's like a little bit loud about it,
but not like it's only when people ask him.
Okay.
It's like his his shit is barren, right?
Like they'll say like one bad thing about him, right?
Oh, he was arrested in 1978 on drunk driving charges or some
fucking stupid shit, right?
That's how you know an actor who was probably conservative.
So Michael Matson's is pretty barren.
So he might have been libertarian conservative type.
Okay.
But yeah, he apparently was found dead, dead like 67 too.
He wasn't that old.
Yeah, he was 67.
I mean, okay, I was just looking to pile up all pizza things.
Got me all like, get a fucking wormhole right now.
Because it may or may not, it may not be a pizza cake thing.
But yeah, but, but okay, so this is the story that I heard.
So I committed suicide.
But he blamed the wife for committing suicide.
Their wife is divorced, in which might be not true.
And it might, to me, and he was found unresponsive about it as well.
Yeah.
I, so the Wikipedia page said that they were not getting divorced as far as we know.
But Wikipedia is not a.
No, it's not.
It's not reliable.
But like, I think it mentioned like someone close to the family or even himself said that.
So I don't know.
I didn't really click the fucking references.
I don't care that much.
Teacher on a colleague.
I was, I was.
No, I assume he took the fucking COVID shot because he is an actor.
Like even the more conservative actors still had to keep working and a lot of them caved.
So who knows, man?
Who knows?
So I had a teacher, it was a prep, I guess professor.
I don't really call them people at college.
Um, and he goes, I do, I don't want anybody citing Wikipedia because it's not factual.
And the reason it's not factual, I changed something on my Wikipedia six months ago and
it's still there.
And I was like, who the fuck do you think is going on your Wikipedia?
So like, go to 9 11 and say that it happened on 9 12 and watch how quick that shit gets.
Right.
They'll see.
Yeah.
They have the alerts.
Well, they get notified customers, the other readers do it.
Right.
But there's like, there's, there's power users as they call them and they get alerts
when their articles get modified and then like they'll immediately come in and reverse it.
Right.
Even if it's like referenced and dude, if you click the talk link on Wikipedia articles
and read their debates, they are fucking insane.
Dude, it's totally like, especially when you see, uh, like the government comes out and
changes the definition of something.
Yeah.
Like when they check vaccine.
Yeah.
But if you go to the talk page because they can't wipe that out, that's like permanent.
Yeah.
The fight is fucking insane, dude.
They're insane.
Okay.
So Wikipedia, what does it say about Uranus?
No, no, not Uranus, the planet.
Yeah.
Which by the way, my kid's teacher was pronounced Uranus.
Okay.
Yeah.
She changed the pronunciation of a word of a planet.
What is Uranus?
No, it's Uranus.
It's Uranus.
Uranus is so much more funny.
That's fine.
Okay.
But it's done.
Okay.
So that's no longer a planet.
What?
Yes, it is.
No, it's.
You're thinking of Pluto.
No, that's the dog from Goofy.
That's Goofy's dog.
But it's also the formal planet, planets.
Is it a planet called Pluto?
It used to be.
Yeah, it's there.
Okay.
So it was Pluto and not Uranus.
So Uranus is fucking massive.
Okay.
So Uranus is not massive.
Uranus is massive.
I got it.
So it's big enough to be a planet.
So they changed the definition.
Pluto then.
So what happened was.
But I just want to say Uranus on the podcast.
I don't really care.
They, um, they, they didn't have a formal definition of the word planet.
Yeah.
Astronomy.
And like they kept finding all these little ice balls that were bigger than Pluto.
And they're like, well, we can't make all these things planets.
So we got to fucking sit down and write a definition.
And like the only, the best definition they come up with excluded Pluto.
And now actually funny thing is this is not, that was not the first time they kicked out a planet.
So there's an asteroid in between Mars and Jupiter.
Okay.
It's a massive asteroid called Ceres.
And that used to be a planet and they kicked Ceres out.
So like it's a thing that happens.
What, what the, how the fuck did you just pull that up out of your head?
I just don't, I follow this stuff.
I follow some follow Uranus.
I follow your own anus.
It's easy.
Play the dog.
You double joined it.
You ever catch your own tail?
Not yet.
Do you have a tail?
I'll get there.
So, um, but yeah, so that, um, so Michael Madsen, he was a, he had a lot of pretty bad ass movies.
And he was in true romance.
He was, he was in reservoir dogs.
He was in definitely a lot of Quintin, Tarantino movies.
Um, great actor.
I mean, like he made fucking reservoir dogs.
Very recognizable.
May never have been an A-lister.
He was like, he was up there.
But he was like an A-lister.
Yeah.
And he was good and he was fun to watch.
Right.
Yeah.
He put, he put the, he put the effort in.
He made me be a better movie.
You believe the character.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, that's our challenge this week is, uh, just give us your favorite Michael
Madsen performance.
There you go.
What else we got here?
You got anything else?
No, I only had the big beautiful building.
Okay.
Yeah.
I got one more thing.
We got, we actually got a story from Matt McHugh.
Oh.
Yeah.
He posted this in our chat room today.
Um, so he goes, uh, my 22 year old trail running son went for a night run last night
up in the canyon.
He parked in a picnic area with an open gate.
The park has a posted curfew.
Yeah.
When he came off the mountain, the gate was closed and locked with a padlock.
And it was before the park closes.
Well, so the park probably closes at sundown.
He's saying that his son was leaving before the, okay.
So, so the posted sign said nine o'clock and he was there at eight thirty or so.
Yes.
Okay.
Uh, so the game was posted and locked with a padlock.
He said to himself, what the fuck?
He was trapped and had no cell service.
So apparently it's like, it's blocked in like,
What candy and kind of give it away already.
So, uh, he did what any man would do and broke the fucking lock.
Uh, I share ownership of the car with him.
I got a text from the county sheriff's office saying that I needed to call them
to get the padlock removed so I can drive my car out of the picnic area.
I was like, what the fuck?
Cause he had no service, right?
You, how could you call them through no service?
The fucking cops locked my kid in the picnic area in the middle of the night
with a padlock not knowing if he was injured or dead or even eaten by,
like they didn't even.
Well, around some counties will search for you.
Yeah.
Well, they said, yeah.
Uh, so this is the most retired thing ever pissed off to protect and serve my ass.
So is there an issue with the police with this?
Apparently.
So now I don't know what his son or he said to the cop when they called.
But I did have some advice in the chat room, which is one, right?
Okay.
Your car was there.
That's fine.
They have their license plate everything.
Yeah.
Okay.
Prove that I broke the padlock.
Well, no, no, I would go different route with that.
Go ahead.
Prove that I was driving the car.
Okay.
Prove that prove any of these statements that you're either you're accusing me of dust and such.
Now, if you're not going to come arrest me, fuck off.
Yeah.
If you are, I want my lawyer, right?
Don't admit to anything.
Don't even admit that you were there.
All they know is that your car was there.
They don't know that you were there.
No, and that's very valid.
But here's the other thing.
I would go after them for locking the car up.
Because I know driving is not a right.
It's a privilege, blah, blah, blah.
But what if you came down with a medical emergency and you needed your vehicle to get you somewhere?
Well, so they don't know that that's not true.
The issue with that is that you don't have to admit that you were the one who was there.
No, but I would.
I mean, I don't do that.
But first of all, props for having shit in your car that cuts locks.
No, I mean, that's, that's, I don't even think I even have a lock cutter.
Well, we did do a lock picking show, right?
We can just,
Well, we picked the lock and you could just relock it.
Yeah.
I would have known.
That's nothing.
Get some lock picks.
Unless you're in Nevada because they're illegal.
Lock picks are illegal here.
I covered it on the show, man.
Come on.
That's not dude.
Come on.
Seriously.
I drink a lot.
We got a show.
This is not a first show.
It's our first show.
What the fuck, man?
No, but kudos for having that lock.
Having a lock cutting device on your car.
Yeah, I don't know.
Do you get a lot of boots in your car?
Is that why you had that?
I don't know what kind of liability you can apply to the city or the county or whatever.
For them locking it early.
Depends on what state you're in, what county, all that kind of shit.
But talk to a lawyer.
Do not talk to the cops on the phone.
Talk to your lawyer.
So if you take your car and you block another car in,
you can be ticketed or arrested for reducing his right to travel.
Yes.
Is that not the same thing?
You want what you think it is?
I mean, to me, that...
Even if it's after hours, I would say you don't lock that fucking lock.
Right.
You're a sheriff's department.
Guess what?
You're 24 hours.
Right.
So let's just get down.
So if you don't want to get the dogs out and go searching for somebody, which,
okay, maybe you don't, but give it an hour.
Come back.
How about worry about your citizens?
Yeah, I think what happened was somebody who gets off at 10,
decided they wanted to take off early because they had a hot date or something,
and said, fuck it, I'm just going to lock the gate.
What could go wrong?
But here's the weird fucking thing.
Like if you're in that situation, I get it.
Sometimes you want to leave early.
But you got there.
There's a car there.
Yeah.
Right?
You're too fucking bad.
You can't just lock that gate early.
Leave the lock, leave the padlock unlocked.
Right.
But you know the dude's here and he's like,
hey, dude, can you lock up on your way out?
Right.
What the fuck, man?
I mean, I would totally do that.
I'm like, oh, cool, man.
I'll take care of this guy for him.
These people are unreal, man.
It's just, it's...
But no, like...
No, I would file a complaint.
But I'm an obstructionist.
I like being the turn of the punch.
You're like, dude, just hide the...
Hide the editory.
I would say only do that after you've resolved the fact
that they have no evidence against you.
So if they even hint about coming after you with charges,
get a lawyer.
Yeah.
Well, don't get a lawyer anyway.
Talk to a...
There's no harm in talking to a lawyer.
Right.
But I think...
It's free to talk.
Yeah.
But I mean, if they're going to come at you with charges,
I would respond back with a lawsuit.
Because they stopped your freedom of travel.
Yeah.
But here's the key thing.
How's he going to prove that lock was locked before the park closed?
He had no cell phone coverage.
Right.
Well, but you still have...
You still have...
You can take pictures.
You have the clock.
Yeah.
What I was saying, but prove the clocking.
Well, so the phone will record the time stamp
when you take the picture.
Right.
That's what I'm saying.
So take a picture.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then try to make a phone call.
I don't know if that...
I guess you know the network, you know the...
Right, yeah.
Yeah, it won't happen.
But yeah, walk...
Yeah, I don't know.
But if that ever happens, prove that you're there.
Especially in...
You know, sign, park closes at 9, eat 45.
Right, exactly.
You know, that kind of shit.
No, that would piss me off.
I mean, I would...
There you go.
I mean, if you didn't do any damage...
Well, he broke the lock, allegedly.
It's a fucking lock.
Yeah.
So we were...
It's probably a $10 lock at best.
So I used to go out with this group.
I don't do any of that.
I don't do it anymore because I don't have the right vehicle.
Well, I could say do, but they're not road worthy right now.
Or they're trail worthy, they're not road worthy.
But it's...
A snore.
Snore.
Southern Nevada off-road recovery.
Okay.
So we would go out and recover people if they were stuck
or lost in the desert because you can die.
A healthy person can die if you're stuck in the desert.
So if you or your family gets a hold of us,
give us pertinent information, we went out.
These dudes had keys to the padlocks of the gates.
I'm like, how'd you get these guys to all the Rangers?
Just give them to us, man.
Because they know where I ended up.
But actually the funniest thing was, it was a Sunday morning,
there was a dirt biker.
And it was in California, but it was just across the border.
So they called us and we went out and we were going down 15 South
and we hit the California traffic.
Yeah.
Dead fucking stop.
So we're all like, well, we could do a U-turn, double back,
go to that exit, come up to the frontage road.
And one guy goes, guys, there's a fucking dirt road,
five feet off this road.
Yeah.
So we're all like, sweet.
So we all don't climb down.
I thought you didn't know this, but that dirt road
is Las Vegas Boulevard.
The old one?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's probably a service road.
Yeah, it goes all the way down.
And our thing was, what is illegal to drive on it?
Because there's no sign saying you can't.
Right.
And if it is, we're going to tell the guy what we're doing
and the cops are going to have...
So we're cruising down.
People are honking at us, yelling at us.
But one kid, he got out of the van and his mom and dad were
trying to cut...
He was pissing, but they were trying to block views
coming this way.
And we went by this way.
We were like, hey.
But yeah, that was a fun recovery because we hit snow.
We hit snow in the state of New York County.
Interesting.
And...
Geez, that's way to fuck out there.
Yeah, I mean, my truck came back, buddy,
and it was like, yes, fuck.
And in the desert, you don't really get that.
Like you're doing it in the Midwest.
Wow.
But yeah, no, that was a...
I probably should...
I mean, I guess I could use my razor.
I don't know, maybe I will back up with them.
But I use the thing with my razor.
I can't put my fucking razor on the street.
Well, we already covered that.
So I have to leave my truck and my trailer
in the middle of the fucking desert somewhere.
What?
Yeah, that's how I...
If I go off roading, it's ridiculous.
Wow.
And have you seen...
Have you seen the fucking vehicles they allowed on there?
Did you see this?
Yeah, we have cyber trucks.
No, no, no, no.
I'm talking about the two-seat electric vehicle.
Oh yeah, the little trike thingy.
It's two...
Yeah, there's like two seats parallel like this.
And it's like this wide.
It's probably not...
Wait, no, I haven't seen...
It's like this wide.
It's a width of a seat.
Two of us can rent them and they put them on the road.
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
My razor is a thousand times safer than that.
Okay.
I can't grab my razor on the road.
Dude, I see fucking like, like buggies.
You know, like, it's not horse drawn,
but it's a buggy, like a golf, like a big golf cart essentially.
Yeah.
And they take tours and those are on the roads.
Right.
So if you...
They can't go more than 15 miles an hour.
So next time you see that thing, check out the plates on it.
Why?
I bet they're not Nevada plates.
I hope they're shit.
No, I could very easily go to, I think, Montana,
a few different states and license my razor.
Okay.
And get plates for it for Montana.
All I need is a PO box.
Yeah.
But there's a Nevada law that says if you live in the state of Nevada,
your vehicles must be registered in the state of Nevada.
Yeah.
So if I get pulled over, which I would because I'm driving a side by side, a razor on the street,
you know, and when you live in Nevada, you have out of state lights.
The, those little two seat electric buggy things, where the fuck they are, Montana plates.
Well, so, um, the law about having to live here has like a 30 day or 60 day race period
once because for people who move here.
Right.
And the cop doesn't know when you moved here.
It's true. My driver's license.
Okay. Yeah.
Depends on like the dates on it.
A bit of like seven years.
It's gonna be like, uh, yeah.
No, but why does this shit exist?
Like, why do I need permission to drive on my roads?
What's like when I'm getting my B's, then like, well, you have to get permission from.
Yeah.
Fuck this.
No, you have to tell Vegas you have a B-high.
I'm not telling or nor by asking permission.
Yeah.
To fuck them.
This is my property.
Say that.
I saw, I saw another story from Michigan.
This woman, so now Michigan has a law that says that cities cannot require permits to
keep farm animals, but the city made this law anyway.
And the woman goes to the city and says, I want a permit for chickens.
And they say, okay, no problem.
Now apparently the law says that the city is required to do some kind of assessment.
Yeah.
Of the neighbors as to how they feel about chickens and then deny the permit if the
neighbors don't want it.
But the city never did this.
The city just said, okay, here's your permit.
Yeah.
So now the woman has the permit.
She built the chicken coop.
She gets the chickens.
Her neighbor complains to the city.
Now the city wants to say take the chicken coop down.
Which is the law, you can't do that in the first place, according to the Michigan Constitution.
So my boss lives in an HOA and he goes, well, if somebody wants to do work,
they have to get permission from their neighbors.
I go, what the fuck is that about?
Right, let's open.
If it's like I don't like you, I just go, no.
Right.
You can't do it.
Of course.
And you can't do it.
That's what they're trying to do.
What the fuck is that?
But then the city didn't even bother to do the work.
They just gave her the permit anyway.
So if I'm not mistaken, animals in Nevada are considered property.
Okay, I have no idea.
I was going to look this up.
Well, I was thinking about it for a different reason.
But if they're property and I spend money on them, is that tax deductible?
No.
I'm investing in my property.
No, it's not.
If I invested in my house, it's actually not.
You're talking about property versus real estate and it's not the same thing.
My car's property.
No, it is.
That's why we have such high insurance.
We have such high tax prices.
But you can't deduct your car from your taxes?
Well, actually, the big beautiful bill.
If you have an American car, your interest rate is not tax deductible.
Oh my God.
No, but it was.
I don't think that's going to stick.
Why not?
They're going to say it's unconstitutional.
You can't give favors that way.
But it's a big beautiful bill.
I understand.
It's big.
It's beautiful.
That one will stick.
Oh, by the way, Hocking Jeffries, apparently he talked for nine hours.
He had a moon bag on, the same as the astronauts wear.
So he was walking around with a pant load.
I mean, at some point he had to be.
God.
Is that what he's pushing?
It must be.
Yeah, whatever.
Yeah.
Hocking Jeffries talked for nine hours.
I don't even understand why because to filibuster, the goal is to talk so long.
Everyone leaves.
Right.
He started it like last night or first thing this morning in the early eight hours.
Everyone's like, well, we're just waiting them out.
I mean, how long do you think he can talk?
Yeah.
Well, didn't he, didn't he wasn't he the guy who did 25 hours or who was that?
Someone was quite booker.
Okay.
Yeah.
But apparently in the show,
show them up and then in the house,
nine hours broke the, the, the verb that broke the standard.
I don't think they understand the rule.
They just like, oh, I'm going to do this and I'm going to get the headlines and whatever
the fuck.
It's all fucking bullshit.
Oh dude, we're an hour 20 already.
Okay.
Well, for sure.
We had nothing to talk about.
Talk about a lot.
So yeah, I was lazy this week.
I did not prepare anything.
So I'm going to tell the work story.
Okay.
So I'm going to talk about the time we got hacked.
So this is my.
I got hacked.
No, no, no.
This is my first company.
Okay.
That the, uh, the, uh, the predatory lending company.
No, no, that was my second one.
The first company, uh, was the legal place where we did have the copy shop or we did
software for copiers.
And so a lot of our clients were law firms because they had their own copy shops in house.
And, uh, so we, we wanted a way to remote into their, into our system of theirs, uh,
to diagnose it if they had a problem.
But a lot of these law firms are firewalls.
So like, you can't just do that.
Right.
So we came up with this way of having them open a connection out to us because they're
allowed to do that.
Right.
And then it would build what's called a tunnel and then you can go back through that tunnel
to get into that machine.
So that's how we handle the remote support situation with these places.
And the way we did that was we had a machine on our network that just sat there with an open
port and whoever dialed in, right, we assumed that they were, uh, a client.
Um, well, so the password to that was root 123, which, you know, that's just pretty
fucking stupid.
Is it simplistic?
Sometimes a great for a password.
None of it's open to the world.
Okay.
So one day I come in and, uh, my boss says, Hey man, the remote support box got
hacked.
So we're kind of down for now.
And, uh, I'm like, well, what do you mean?
Got hat like, well, I guess the password root 123 is, I'm surprised it lasted as long
as it did without getting hacked.
The fucking miracle.
So I asked, Hey, can I, can I take a look at it?
Right.
Can I just fuck around with it?
See what happened?
Maybe I can get some history and see who did this.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Maybe we can forward to the FBI how naive I was by the time.
Right.
So I start looking at the machine and I'm going through the logs and I see a login.
It's not a login.
I see a, um, an outgoing connection on port 6667.
Now, like most people don't know what the fuck that means, right?
Like what does that mean?
So 6667 is the common port for IRC chat rooms.
Oh, okay.
And I, I'd just been on IRC since the 90s.
So I just do this, right?
And I'm like, huh, someone is using our machine to go on IRC, right?
So like I kept looking through logs.
I found the software that they installed and I started, I opened that up.
I looked at it.
It was basically just a bot.
So it would go to the IRC and it would log into a room and it would say, you know, I'm
so-and-so's bot for them to control, for them to know that you're there.
Yeah.
So I, I logged on to the IRC and I used the bot's credentials, right?
That they put in the IRC.
They put in the config file and then I just sat there and waited.
And eventually somebody messaged me with their password, right?
Because they'd log into the bot so they can control the bot.
Okay.
So now I have their password to their bot network, right?
So now I can take over all their bots.
And it was some guy from Romania.
So like good luck ever prosecuting that shit.
Yeah.
But I guess like the moral of the story is, like if you're at work and
there's some crazy shit that happens, like don't, don't assume that your knowledge of
these esoteric things won't come in handy someday.
So like let's say you play World of Warcraft, right?
And like you know that the World of Warcraft port is 4-5-5-5.
I don't, I'm just making that up.
Yeah.
But like you just know that because you play World of Warcraft and you see the connection
streaming and all that shit.
And like some crazy shit happens at work someday and you see port 4-4-4-4-5-5 everywhere.
Well, now you know someone's hacking your devices to use World of Warcraft.
You can probably help, right?
And like it wasn't long after this that I got a huge fucking raise, right?
So like just, just having that knowledge sitting in your head available can be very valuable.
So like just, just be ready to deploy that at any time because crazy shit happens at work.
And you might be the guy to be able to help fix the problem.
And we built a new remote support machine.
The password was not root one two three anymore.
We put actual software on there for like intrusion detection and all this crazy shit.
So it would never happen again.
And like I learned how to do all that stuff, right?
Because I didn't know at the time, but I learned a lot of valuable information by having this
incident happen.
So, right?
Just take note.
Don't be the fucking guy in the corner that just these things happen, right?
Be the proactive person to apply your knowledge to these situations and you know advance your career.
Awesome.
So there you go.
So all kinds of breeze through my things.
It was a small anyway.
Tays July 3rd, we record on Thursday nights.
We said that we release on the Friday.
Tomorrow is the 4th of July and we're going to blow some shit up.
We, we love our country so much.
We want a big show come.
That's illegal.
So I won't be doing that.
Oh yeah.
Different.
Yeah.
I love it.
In front of like 45 minutes from here, they sell like every possible firework you're going to imagine.
Yeah.
And it's like they'll put a cop across the street from the different,
because there's like four fireworks companies and they'll watch them by just load a fucking
fill at you all and they drive right out of town.
Yeah.
Oh, you're busted.
Yep.
Driver of the fucking town.
So I saw a story on this that they did this year.
So they have cops in the store watching what you put in your cards and buy.
Like they're fucking ridiculous.
Okay.
If the store is not complicit with that, that's entrapment.
That's not entrapment.
No.
Because like you're choosing to do it.
Because he has the right to be there too.
Yeah.
So technically to buy fireworks, do you know how, do you know, do you know the rule about
buying fireworks there?
You have to sign a form that, that might, you might, you may spend $10,000 in fireworks.
Yeah.
You have to sign a form that before you leave town, you'll stop by the fireworks area, the fireworks
light off area and you'll light them all off there before you leave the county.
What?
I know.
Like here's $10,000 for fireworks.
What the fuck is the plan dude?
Oh yeah, I'll go light them all off right now.
I like, when I grew up, like we would go on vacation every summer and like June usually.
And we would stop in a state that had legal fireworks and just load the fucking car.
Yeah.
And nobody, and like every 4th of July, we would close our block down in Chicago
and do whatever the fuck we wanted.
Nobody gave us, I don't understand this world that we live in where like everyone's policing
everything and fucking like everything's illegal and what the fuck is, why are we allowing this?
Like this has to stop.
What are you going to do?
Start a movement?
And if you go on social media and you say, hey, let's stop this now, you get other people to sign
with you.
I don't think that's gonna happen.
They're not going to be thinking, they're just going to sign with you.
I don't think that's going to work.
No, so actually I, so this came up with the libertarian.
That's called the callback.
This, yeah, I know that, but that's not going to work though.
That doesn't work.
That's the problem.
So they posted this in the libertarian chat room that the link to the story.
And I was like, well, what you should do is go out there and like go to the stores and just like
sit there for a while, like you're buying something and then come back out with nothing and then have
the cops stop you.
Right.
Because now you're wasting the cops time while other people could go and you have nothing.
Right.
Oh, if a cop stops you for no reason, right, that's against the law.
Oh yeah, for sure.
So what you should do if you're gonna, well, yeah, if you're gonna get a U-Haul full of stuff,
yeah, have a U-Haul and a rider truck.
Yeah.
Park the rider truck into town somewhere.
Take the U-Haul and drive through the roads, make sure no one's following because they're
not going to be looking for the, they're not going to follow you.
They're going to wait for the U-Haul to leave town.
Right.
They're going to have a plate number and everything.
Switch everything over to the rider truck.
Yep.
Take the rider truck and take off and then send the U-Haul about the same,
maybe about the same time.
Yes, to the E-Coil.
They'll pull the U-Haul over and you just skate through here.
$10,000 for the fireworks.
Yeah.
I mean, but the test is about to, the test is about to.
The reason I bring this up is fireworks safety is very important,
especially if you're buying like the mortar type bottle rockets.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a fucking mortar.
Yeah.
And this shit blows up.
You got to put it in a container to shoot it up.
So a couple of years ago, a dude lost his head because he lit it and in his mind,
it didn't go off quick enough.
So he went, oh, is it a dud?
Yeah, don't do that.
And it went off.
I don't know, I completely took the head off or if, you know, I caught it or what.
If you think it's a dud, just leave it there.
What the fuck?
Actually, do you think it's a dud?
Fill it with water.
Yeah, you can doff water.
Fill that container full of water.
Yeah.
So use common sense.
I mean, as kids, did you guys get goofy as kids with fireworks?
Well, how do you mean?
Like bottle rocket wars.
Yeah, well, yeah.
Absolutely.
Okay.
And like Roman candles.
Yeah.
Okay.
Bottle rockets I was fine with because that's going to hurt.
Yeah.
But the Roman candles are going to stick.
Sometimes.
Oh, sometimes they don't.
So we never, we never actually hit anybody with a Roman candle.
We hit people.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So don't, don't do that.
I mean, if you want to do it, I don't give a fuck, but understand it's dangerous.
Yeah.
And you're probably going to get hurt and you're probably going to have a hospital.
Yeah.
And then somebody's probably going to sue you.
I mean, we used to like have the little black cat firecrackers and like lay them in the
hand and then throw them.
Yeah.
And like one time I asked, didn't throw it and fucking blew his hand off.
So I was driving through a forest preserve years ago and I had some firecrackers with
I also had like six bags of garbage of beer cans from a party the night before that I was
going to dump in a garbage can there.
And, but when I saw a group of people, I'd always liked the fireworks and throw it out the window
out of them.
And I did that.
But so I don't know if I touched the, is it true if you touch the wick with your fingers and oil
from your fingers gets on the wick and the wick burns faster?
I mean, logically it makes sense.
I don't know what happened.
This wick went like that.
And I, all I could do was just throw it up in the air.
My car was filled with paper from the firecrackers.
Well, the only reason it's even funnier than that is as they went around the corner, there was a
bunch of forest preserve cops.
And I don't know if they saw the firework thing or not, but the guy flagged me down to talk to me
and he's like, what's going on?
And he goes, first of all, are you dumping those bags here?
He goes, I don't even want to know what's in those bags.
He goes, but you're not dumping them here, right?
I go, no, I'm not dumping them here.
And he goes, what the fuck is with the rest of this shit?
I go, oh, last night somebody threw fucking firecrackers in my car.
Yeah, but, uh, yeah, he bought the story.
I don't know.
Maybe you're laughing at me going to dumbass.
Hey, he was quick with a story.
So let him go back in the 80s and early 90s, the cops, they let kids be kids.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, so be careful.
If you think it's a dud, just dials it with water.
Have first aid kits on hand.
I say this like I would do this because I wouldn't do it anyway.
Have wound care, burn, have like some stuff for burns.
You know, I mean, shit happens and these, you know, sparklers, what the fuck is up with sparklers?
What do you mean?
We give them to kids.
Yeah.
It's so you can weld with a sparkler.
Like if you wanted to weld like some thin metal,
you could probably get it to weld.
Yeah.
But these kids run around with it.
Yeah.
Like a three year old will run around with a sparkler that's probably 3000 degrees.
Yeah.
I don't know.
What's wrong with that?
It's freedom.
You poke your eye out with that.
I never saw anyone who did.
I know.
But yeah, I gave him, I had him.
I gave him to my kid.
Run around.
Do it like this.
Tell your name.
Um, yeah.
I think the internet made things more dangerous.
You made it state these are more dangerous than they actually are.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Um, but just take safety precautions.
I don't want to see somebody lose the head.
But if you do, send it to us.
Yeah, show us video.
I'll put it on the shelf.
No, seriously.
I'll pay to have it like, I don't know, scooped out.
And so I saw a video of a Russian soldier like riding a Jeep or something.
Yeah.
He lost his head, but it wasn't fireworks.
Oh, yeah.
That's holy shit, man.
Like it was, it was meat.
Like it was one second he was driving and the other second was just meat flying everywhere.
It was wow.
The, the, the funniest things is the Simpsons, they were at a car race and the car crashed
and the dude's helmet flew off when flying into the stands and cleanest.
Yeah.
Goes, oh, look, honey, oh, damn it.
Someone's sorry.
Scoop the head out.
So yeah, if you lose your head, put it in your will.
You want us to have it.
Well, we'll just play it properly.
Yeah.
We'll be respectful of it.
I won't put like a dildo in your mouth or anything.
I might, but it would only be for comic value.
Um, so as soon as your heads.
All right, guys, have a good time.
Enjoy the photo.
Bye.
If you're in America, if you're not in America, go to work tomorrow.
Yep.
Make some money.
See you next week.
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