The Canary in the Cage Episode 17 - IT honeypots, Corporate farm ownership ctd, and special guest Mike Wilson on mushrooms

Alright, you're here with the Canary The Cage podcast and we are here to entertain

you.

Do stupid shit and hopefully make you laugh.

I'm Ron Morgan, my co-host.

Dave Havlicek.

So, I think we should go ahead and get started with this show of political fields we got

going on.

You know, I found it funny because at the debate last time, Trump challenged Biden

to a golf match.

Yeah.

But if you go back four years, they were challenging each other to a fight in a ring.

Right.

And it was like, if we could keep up for four more years, maybe we'll get like pickleball

or like shuffleboard.

Oh, nice.

Something like...

That's the new thing, isn't it?

Something for really old white people.

I mean, can you say I'm old and white?

Without saying you're old and white, I want to challenge you in golf, sir.

And they smack each other with a glove.

Did you see the video of Joe Biden on the golf course?

No.

So, like he's slightly off the green, so he's doing a chip and like the ball just goes

behind him somehow.

I don't see how he's going to win that golf match.

I did see Trump's interpretation of Biden on the golf course, which I found kind of

funny.

So, I'm guessing they're not going to take that up on the golf course.

I don't think he could make it.

Like, he would need a cart, first of all.

Oh, yeah.

No cart.

Didn't Biden say no cart?

Really?

Good luck.

I believe so.

I was like, you can barely find the podium, dude.

And you can't find your way off stage.

Or actually, did you see the Italian president, prime minister, the lady?

What?

There's a lady who runs...

I don't know if it's a prime minister or a president.

Oh, okay.

She was mocking Joe Biden.

That's what we need.

We need other country leaders to be mocking us and making fun of us.

So, did you see what happened in France with their elections?

You know what?

I kind of avoided that one, and I don't know why.

Because then the conservative win, and then they did some...

Well, they was like...

I don't know.

Okay, the word conservative doesn't really mean anything out there.

Okay.

But like, the right-leaning party was a huge favorite.

And they won the first round, but then like, they do multiple rounds, and I don't really

get how it works.

But Macron, he like, had a bunch of his guys step out of the race.

Okay.

So now there's only two parties, essentially.

And like, all of his voters voted for the commies, and they got enough votes to win.

Oh, kind of what happened at the Libertarian Convention with the Gagas.

Yes, kind of.

Okay.

So it's actually similar.

And now they're all saying like, we're going to have a 90% tax on the rich.

Yeah.

Now they're like, they're investigating Le Pen, who was the conservative leader.

I saw that today.

Like, they're investigating for campaign violations.

Like what the fuck, man, you just won.

And already you're going after your opponents.

How communist does it get?

Yeah, we'll see.

I tell you, we don't pay attention to other countries.

Just because I...

Well, in France, those people are nuts.

I mean, they'll fucking set shit on fire.

And they can protest like a motherfucker.

No, no, I dig the way they protest.

I mean, we protest like shit here.

In Ireland, they're protesting right now and they're firebombing the police.

Yeah.

They had the SWAT units all set up across.

They looked like bank money trucks and they were just throwing fireballs and the windshields

are on fire.

Irish and their bombs.

Yeah.

I'm allowed to say that.

I'm Irish.

I'm Irish too.

We like our bombs.

We like our alcohol.

I do.

This one doesn't.

So where are we talking about?

So let's talk about the Democratic Party for a second because I actually find this kind

of funny.

They took their swing at Trump, like a couple of them.

They failed on every aspect of it because now Trump is calling.

Yeah, Trump's calling for to be adjudicated on those 34 felony charges that I don't think

exist anyway.

But now he's called, they have to be dropped out.

They have to be dropped off even though I don't agree with him because you even said

last week that it was part of his...

It was having to his presidency, but if I'm not mistaken, but didn't the Supreme Court

say if he's in doing the duty of his job, then he's got immunity.

Yes.

Paying off a porn star is not the duty of the job.

Well, I guess it is.

But no, actually, I heard another aspect to this.

So part of the immunity stuff was also that you can't use certain things as evidence.

Oh, okay.

That was a big part of the evidence.

So like now they have to review, oh shit, were Trump's statements actually admissible?

So now that might actually throw it out.

Well, there is one jury, one witness for the prosecution that has to be thrown out.

Which one is that?

It's the lady, I didn't know her name, so I didn't really...

Because she spoke to his term as president.

Okay.

And they said she should not be allowed to have her testimony, doesn't exist.

But it doesn't matter, the guy hasn't filled out the judge, but it's all theater.

See, I believe...

We actually have a person in the studio with us, but he doesn't know if he knows.

I don't believe that the judge is going to fill out the paperwork for the 34 counts of

felons because he hasn't done it yet.

And today was supposed to be the day that he...

Yeah, today was sentencing originally.

The original sentencing.

And then he pushed off on September 18th.

My statement is, since he hasn't filled out the paperwork yet, he's going to drop all

charges, but they want to carry out the convicted felon for a little bit longer.

Because it's working so well for them.

I mean, everything they do to Trump just gives them more money and more supporters.

I mean, it's crazy.

CNN did an interview with, I think, 12 black people and over half of them said they're

voting for Trump.

And they're like, well, this didn't go like we thought it was going to go.

People wake up, man, we're tired of this shit.

We're tired of these two-party system.

Even though Trump is Republican, he's an un-Republican, I guess, in a way he does.

CNN is turning against Biden too.

They're now saying Biden's got to go.

That happened.

Like the debate went off, the next show came on, and they're like, oh, Biden's got to go.

Biden's got to go.

Which really pisses me off for a couple of reasons.

Well, what I said he'd be gone by now anyway.

But his wife is making-

I didn't think he would have survived this long.

I'm impressed.

No, no, if I go back to like early on, I thought he was dead years ago.

But no, I made that prediction that 30 days he'll be gone.

That 30 days is up here in four or five days.

So I am wrong on that one.

But I am taking- I'm not doing the Fat Guy Victory dance, but I am saying I've got some

correctness in there because everybody wants him gone.

I mean, George Clooney.

Well, did you see Whoopi Goldberg?

Oh, yeah, even if he poops his pants.

She doesn't want him to go.

Yeah.

Even if he poops his pants.

By the way, we all get a little poopy every now.

Remember that?

Did you see that?

So Whoopi Goldberg admits that she poops her pants on national TV.

That's nasty.

Put that one in your spank bank.

So who would you rather clean the diaper of?

Oh, God.

Or Goldberg?

Oh, why would you even...

I mean, no, you got to do it, man.

You got to pick it.

No, I'm...

I'm...

I'm suiciding.

There goes YouTube, by the way.

Oh, is it?

And they can't say that word.

Oh, so suicide.

I don't know.

We've gotten away a lot with YouTube, I think.

But no, so I just think the Democrat Party is just kind of like...

They're lost.

They don't know what to do.

Right.

It's going to be entertaining over the next few months to see.

Because you were saying that they can't take Biden off the ballot while the states...

Right.

Unless they compare, you know, with a mentally ill...

He either has to die or be ruled mentally incompetent.

I could actually argue both.

That he is mentally incompetent and he's probably dead.

I mean, he is kind of pale and is doctor-around.

Yeah, but he's still moving around without...

Sticks and strings, my friends.

I haven't seen any wires or anything.

Dude, this is not the Bush League, man.

This is high-end.

This is like the major leagues.

They got invisible strings.

What if they...

If you cut him open, he's all servos and gears and shit.

Maybe they got that going on.

Yeah, he is just a bag of organs, actually.

Not even good ones.

Even he won't be able to donate his organs or so used or abused.

So apparently he's got Parkinson's.

I don't buy that.

I've heard...

All right, so people have said, oh, a Parkinson's expert has been visiting the White House for

the last...

Whatever.

But if you remember, he just made an executive order declaring that he cured Parkinson's disease.

So I think that's what that expert was doing.

Or it could be the cover story.

Well, that's to be fair.

It could be the cover story.

Yeah.

But I don't think Biden has part...

He's not shaking.

Right?

Look at Michael J. Fox.

Well, yeah, Michael J. Fox has had that for like 20 years.

Sure, but like Biden...

I mean, he can serve drink really well.

No, no.

I mean, I'm becoming a bartender.

I'm kind of hoping I get a little bit of the Parkinson's.

I'm shaking.

Oh, God.

I hope I have to muddle.

I have to muddle in this.

I want to put that...

I can muddle.

I'm a bartender.

I can muddle.

I don't know why I have to find that word funny.

Yeah, I was writing my cover letter and I wanted to put qualifications muddling.

But no.

Yeah, I don't buy the Parkinson's thing.

I mean, he's just old.

He's old.

No, no, no.

He's got something wrong.

He's got his...

He's just regularly on dementia.

No.

I always judge the response.

I don't judge the action.

And as soon as they realized there was a Parkinson's doctor coming in, they went to that story.

Well, we've been working on curing Parkinson's.

I don't think they're that smart.

You know, you think you're the smartest person on earth and nobody else is smarter than you?

I'm not there.

I'm not there.

I mean, top 10 at least.

I mean, there's like Elon Musk.

No, he's not even close.

Like you're smart with Elon Musk?

Musk is retarded, dude.

I'm sorry.

He's just not...

No, I think Elon Musk.

Elon Musk is that guy, that friend in high school you had that would like smoke weed

all day and then say things that he thought was profound but were really fucking stupid,

except like for some reason, everybody believes Elon Musk.

But it works.

It doesn't work.

What do you mean it works?

Is it the Tesla or the best electric cars out there?

Yeah, but he just bought Tesla, the company.

I think he has certain skills for sure.

Like he's good at running a business.

He's good at marketing, but he's not something like super genius or anything.

He's my genius.

Hi, Digham.

He's funny.

He makes me laugh.

Yeah, sure.

He does that sometimes, but it doesn't make him genius.

Honestly, it's the only reason I like Trump.

Well, I like Trump because I had more money in my pocket.

That was nice.

But he made me laugh a lot.

Yeah, but it's just posting.

It doesn't make him a genius.

No, no.

In Trump's case, no.

But in Elon, I mean, I don't know.

There's some hamsters and some wheels turning up there that I can't dig.

I mean, he's above average IQ for sure.

He's like one twenty-five years.

But down the years.

No.

What do you, like, three forty, three sixty?

Something like that, yeah.

I'm off the charts, man.

I don't even know how you gauge true intelligence because any of the questions.

Go ahead.

Well, it's one of those I know when I see a type of things where, like, if you say or

do something that's just so utterly stupid, right, like I've instantly written you off,

right?

Like, well, but what if it's such a profound statement that you just don't understand it

and you think it's stupid?

You see, there's two types of people, right?

Type A, they will hear something that they don't understand and say, wow, I'm stupid.

And then type B are people that hear something they don't understand and say, man, that guy's

fucking stupid, right?

And somebody who truly knows a topic can relay it to you in a way that you understand it.

And they can do this for like a five-year-old even.

Yeah.

Richard Feynman could explain quantum mechanics to a five-year-old.

And the five-year-old would be like, yeah, I kind of get that.

But like, if they're using all these like big jargony words and like concepts that when

you think about it, they don't really fit together, they're just trying to bullshit

you.

And they're bullshitting themselves and they've convinced themselves that they know what they're

talking about.

And I see it all the time.

I see it in the crypto space a lot, tech space.

I mean, like, I see-

Okay, jobs.

Steve Jobs.

No, Steve Jobs is really smart.

Okay.

Yeah.

He has put a bunch of music in this little tiny device.

Well, no, no, no.

So Steve Jobs is like, when you, okay, so when you think that Elon Musk founded PayPal, right,

that's not really what happened.

So PayPal was already its own thing.

Right.

And Elon Musk came in and like he was good at marketing and selling it in whatever.

But Steve Jobs literally made Apple.

They made Apple in there to ride Steve Wozniak's garage.

Now Wozniak was the smarter of the two.

Okay.

But they literally made it from nothing, right?

They put circuit boards together.

Right?

You don't know how to do that, right?

Yeah.

Well, yeah, no, no, I'm making fix a circuit board.

But okay, but I saw, but if you were back in the late 60s, early 70s, right?

Yeah.

You didn't have the resources that you have now, which only exists because of Steve Jobs.

We'll see it.

Well, then let's get into our little debate of who's smarter with this one.

So we have an ongoing debate that I say the grocery stores are taking their, you know,

I say their taste of the inflation.

It's a, I don't know if it's from Chicago, it's a mob thing, I think.

So if they want their share of inflation, they want their little extra money in their

pocket, I say that's what's going on right now.

Dave says it's just inflation.

So you said you had something.

Okay, so neutralize me.

So blaming the rise in prices on greed is like blaming a plane crash on gravity.

Okay.

So, yes, gravity is there and the plane went down because of gravity, but that doesn't

explain the plane crash, right?

Okay.

Because gravity is always there.

There's a million other planes that don't crash.

So why do you think that plane crash?

You can't just say gravity.

Okay.

But that's not actually what I'm doing.

I'm saying the inflation does exist and the retailers and apparently the food suppliers

also put their little extra taste for extra money.

But that's not how it works.

Okay, so hold on a second.

So, so when you're saying extra taste, right, imagine you run a business and Joe Biden or

the Federal Reserve, whoever you want to blame it on it ultimately says we're going

to print $5 trillion.

Okay.

Now you understand basic economics.

You know that inflation is going to come.

So what do you do as a business owner?

So you're saying they're preparing to protect their interest.

Yes.

Okay.

So the Walton family, you know who they are, right?

Yeah.

The Walmart.

Walmart.

They had a 238 billion bank account.

I mean, the family has that.

I don't know how they do it if it's one big bank account they all share from or whatever.

But the Walton family had 238 billion in the bank.

Okay.

In 2020.

Yeah.

It's gone up at $8.8 billion in two years.

Okay.

So that's not a taste of the inflation?

I mean, what do you think?

Okay.

So what do you think it should have gone up by?

What are you basing your expectations on?

Well, technically a responsible corporation would have locked their price, their profit

at a certain margin, which...

That's not possible.

You can't do that.

You can't by selling your price.

No, you can't.

You don't know what prices are going to be doing in the future.

You can set your profit margin and you only go up what you have to.

No such thing as set your profit margin.

Food is an assesity and they're taking advantage of us and it's being out of control.

There is no such thing as set your profit margin.

See, that's something that government idiots think you can do.

But if you run a business and we'll actually, we'll get Travis on here to describe how that

works, you can't do that.

You don't know what sales you're going to make in the future.

No, you do.

You could pretty much base it on historical facts.

No, you don't.

You absolutely do not...

Okay.

How do you think Walmart's order their supplies for their shelves?

They look...

Okay, so they're looking at past data but they're also looking at who was the president and

what were the president's policies.

So when you...

Okay, when we have massive shifts in policy every four fucking years, the corporations

are no longer able to do accurate predictions.

So they have to say take their taste because if they don't get it now, they could be broke

in the future.

No, they base their ordering based on past sales and the population of the community.

And the reason I know this is Walmart and Trump was doing just that but what they forgot

to factor in, there were four or five towns around them that had no grocery stores.

They weren't taking their population of those towns into effect and our store shelves

wouldn't be a lot there.

So because they didn't order properly but when a store orders probably based on historical

sales and historical data...

But what I'm saying to you is that when you have a president who's a fucking moron and

like doesn't even know where he is...

You agree on that.

Right?

And the business can no longer make those predictions accurately because the president

might wake up one day and say, you know what?

I'm going to print $20 trillion more again.

I'm going to shut the country down because there's a virus.

So Walmart's been around, I mean, 30, 40 years?

Something like that.

Okay.

I think more actually.

I don't know.

Well, I think they started small and they grew back.

So they've been nationwide for at least 20, 30 years.

So they were able to get a mass of $238 billion in that business.

In the next two years, they amassed $8.8 billion.

Okay.

What do they...

What do they...

What do the Walton family sell?

They own Walmart and Sam's.

And what do they sell there?

I mean, what else do they sell besides food and goods and services?

That service is just good products.

Well, but they sell real estate, right?

These Walmart's taking a huge, a lot of space.

And they're not closing Walmart's and selling the land.

Yeah, that happens all the time.

What Walmart have you ever seen close?

Oh my God.

I think they did in Chicago.

White shirt.

I think they did in Chicago.

Chicago kicked them out.

Really?

You don't remember that?

No.

Yeah, Chicago kicked them out.

They had the only, the one store, the South suburbs.

And then they have the one, I think in the Northwest suburbs and then there were no more.

Well, they put it...

They probably started coming back eventually, but Chicago kicked them out.

In my own neighborhood in Chicago by Wrigley Field, we had a Walmart Express store.

That was after they started coming back.

Oh, it was after they come back.

Yeah.

No, no, Chicago does weird shit because in Chicago, you'll see Home Depot's.

Yeah.

But you don't see Lowe's.

Yeah.

So Home Depot made an agreement with the state of Chicago, says, we're the only home improvement

store allowed in here.

Oh, and by God, do not call Home Depot a hardware store.

They don't like it.

But that's the thing is, when you have these goofball politicians, even a giant corporation

like Walmart can't predict what the fuck they're going to do.

Now, see, okay, General Mills.

Yeah, what about him?

Okay, and since 2021, how much do you think their profits are up?

97%.

Okay, so what?

So that's all their profits have doubled.

Okay.

Okay, so we went over the price of eggs last week.

Okay.

And the price of eggs have gone up by how much?

Oh, I don't know.

They doubled?

Yeah.

Okay, so if the price of eggs have doubled and that's inflation and the profits of General

Mills have doubled, then that's inflation.

No, because the general.

General Mills is still paying the inflation money.

Like when they're also getting the inflation money.

So you sell a dozen eggs for $5.

Okay.

And you use the settle for $2, but the farmer used to be able to sell them for much cheaper

because he didn't have to pay the extra money in grains.

So he's got to raise his price to cover the grains.

The trucking company has to raise their price to cover the fuel.

And then the storage places have to raise their money so they can so they can pay to

cool the place to do things.

So there is a natural price increase that I understand that is inflation.

Right.

But what I'm saying is they're just putting an extra little like.

That's just not how it works.

The goal of the corporation is to maximize profits.

Now, you're making this weird assumption that higher prices always maximizes profits.

But we already proved that that didn't happen.

No, they are because the whole.

Dude, if they charged $100 a pound for ground beef, they would not maximize profits.

So there has to be some price of ground beef between zero and 100 where the profits are

maximized.

The goal of the corporation is to discover that price.

So if they go above that price, profits come down.

Okay.

So there's no extra.

Like that doesn't make any sense.

It does.

There is a number that maximizes profits.

And the goal of the corporation is to find that number.

So all I'm saying is with grocery stores selling a necessity, they should not be able to go

crazy on their profits, which I think they are going crazy.

I mean, it's capitalism.

And I get it.

Capitalism and capitalism, they can charge, they can charge $100 for a pound of ground

beef.

And so could everybody else.

Anybody want me to have to pay it?

But nobody would buy it.

Some people want to be able to pay $100 a pound for a pound of ground beef.

It would be fictitious on the $100.

But that's the point is that they can't do that.

It's not that corporations set the price and then you take it or leave it.

So corporations try to maximize profits.

So do you believe in corporate responsibility and you think the corporations are acting

in good faith?

I don't give a fuck.

That's not their job.

I don't expect them to do that.

I expect the corporation to get the best deal it can.

And then when I walk in that building, I get the best deal I can.

And if a corporation is charging $8 a pound for ground beef and I go to the next corporation

over and they're charging $7.50, I'll go pay $7.50.

Okay.

But they're still marking up the price.

The $7.50 and the $8 is still...

So you're marking up your price.

Do we want to...

Do we want to...

So how much we earn on here?

So instead of saying I'm wrong, you can just say, yeah, they do that and that's capitalism.

No, I'm saying it doesn't...

And that's good.

I'm saying what you're saying is applying like these Marxist ideals of objective numbers

when that's not a thing.

Because even the Federal Trade Commission, so it'd be FTC, they're now going after

the grocery stores and they're going to Congress saying Congress has to get involved because

of the high market...

But we should ban the FTC.

I agree with that.

Okay then, what's the problem?

Well, but we still have them, but they're looking into this issue.

Of course, they're looking to fucking everything.

They're finding a problem.

No, they're not finding a problem.

They always find a problem.

That's all they literally do.

That's their job is to find a problem.

So if they sit there and say, hey guys, there's no problem, they all lose their jobs.

So if grocery stores do what I say they're doing, would that help or hurt inflation?

It would move.

Because you can drive up inflation.

Okay, if grocery stores raised prices above the point of maximum profits, then they would

go out of business.

You understand that people do price fix and collude even though they're not...

It doesn't matter.

Most interested are not allowed to.

You price fix and collude, you were in a union.

That's price fixing and colluding.

On the labor side.

So what?

It's all the same shit.

Labor is another product in the market.

It's all one big market and everybody's trying to get the best deal that they can.

And it's just that fucking simple.

No, I get it.

You're on a true and total free market that says do what the fuck you want, charge what

you want and people can serve.

Yes.

Okay.

But people won't starve.

But we're going to...

Because if you charge $100 a pound for ground beef, I'm going to go directly to the farmer

and say, hey, I'll pay you $5 for that.

And the farmer will say, okay, sure.

I'm pretty sure that would not happen.

Of course it would.

$5 was $100.

You don't think Walmart is...

Walmart's not paying $100 to the farmer.

Walmart's paying $4 to the farmer.

And then how much to the trucking company?

How much to the...

Right.

And I'm skipping all that.

I'm going right to the farmer and I'm saying I'll pay you more than Walmart for that ground

beef, but I'm not paying $100.

Because we do have so many cattle farmers here locally.

If Walmart charges $100 a pound...

You tell us not far away.

Cattle farmers will fucking spring up over nights.

Except Bill Gates is closing all those farms.

Even Bill Gates will realize, oh shit, I can get $100 a pound for this stuff.

I'm going to start farming this land.

Okay.

That's why...

I guess we'll have to move on because we still...

Do you have an opinion on this one?

You can have that cover and go, fuck you both.

You're both crazy.

No, I do.

Should we bring our special guest founder?

We have more to cover.

I just don't want you to bug.

Okay.

Well, that's where we're going with a lot of this.

So let's move on past the grocery thing.

We'll dip into this every now and then until I prove I'm right.

Because I will.

So I heard CNN had a layoff of 100 employees.

Okay.

So...

Yeah, I know.

Well, they've done other layouts before.

So I'm just thinking because they do all that fake news and they do all that nice...

All that ridiculous news.

Are we going to suffer layoffs here?

Or are we telling the truth so we're okay?

What do you mean?

Are we going to lay one of us off?

Oh, I don't...

We're not getting paid.

Oh, I guess it's a recovery.

Yeah.

So I guess fake news does pay though.

I guess it does.

Apparently you might have some losses, but I guess I guess lying to the population does

work.

I think we actually got like 30 cents from Rumble.

Seriously?

I'm pretty sure, yeah.

So you owe me 15 cents.

Well, no, because there's a minimum payout level.

So they're going to earn it.

Are they charging interest on it?

No.

What?

They get a whole lot of money that charges interest.

Of course they can.

I want my 15 cents plus interest.

I mean, I'm sure it would make 16 cents, but I mean, you know, well, that's kind of funny.

So we're profitable now.

There you go.

No, I mean, we paid for all these mics and laptops and the artwork on the websites and

everything.

Oh yeah.

We're way in the hole.

Okay.

So I guess that's not going to work.

So 15 cents a week or just 15 cents total?

No, that was just total.

Ah, man.

So one Rumble listeners, man.

One guy clicked on an ad.

Thank you very much.

Listen to us and like us.

Because we're like, I'm likable.

Sort of.

All right.

What else we got going on in the news?

The SAFE Act.

Oh yeah.

Okay.

That was interesting.

I was hoping you brought that one up.

Okay.

Because you probably favor it, right?

Well, yeah, actually, okay.

So here's the point.

So I actually want to talk to you about this.

I have a feeling you don't.

No, I don't.

So you, you are okay with the legal voting?

No.

Okay.

What are you in favor of?

Well, okay.

So again, I'm an anarchist, so I don't believe in voting at all.

Right?

Okay.

But let's talk from a legal perspective.

Okay.

So in America, the way it works is if you commit a crime, the government has to prove

that you committed that crime.

Right?

Correct.

So what this act does is says, Hey, you, you have to prove to me that you didn't commit

a crime.

Right?

When you, when you go to vote, you have to prove to me that you're voting legally.

So it's a complete inversion of innocent until proven guilty.

Yeah, but that's not, that's not a crime though.

It's not, it's okay.

So there's not, there's not a court case and a trial and a jail sentence involved in

this.

No.

It's just you have to prove that you're an American.

Right.

But I'm saying you, you should never have to prove that you're behaving legally.

That's not my, I'm a citizen.

I'm a free individual citizen.

All right.

No, I'm digging that one.

When I, when I go to vote, right now, it gets kind of hairy here because like you do have

to verify somehow that you're allowed to vote.

But we, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we mean allowed to vote in your, in your world,

what you just said wouldn't like everybody be able to vote like even my dog come in and

in.

Well, no, so, so, so let's pause.

Okay.

So let's say that we've decided only citizens to vote and that's the, that's the law as

it stands, right?

That's already a law.

Okay.

I've been looking for that verbiage.

Where is that verbiage at?

I couldn't give you the exact.

So the only thing that I found was in the 19th amendment when they gave women the right

to vote, it says, um, an American woman.

Yeah.

Okay.

Right.

Right.

So we've already called out there has to be an American.

Yes.

Yeah.

So what about all the other immigrant women?

They can't vote?

Well, no, you have to be a citizen.

Well, America would be a citizen.

Right.

Okay.

Well, yeah, I don't know.

You're going to go like North and South America thing.

I mean, they're all.

No, no, no, you have to be United States citizen.

Okay.

So, okay.

So, but you're not for that though.

I'm not voting at all.

So I'm just so how do you pick a president?

And you should be a president.

Again, you're asking me my personal opinion.

No, I like your personal opinion.

Right.

But you have to always distinguish between.

Oh, that's right.

You go to that whole happy community where we all live with, you know, long hair and

our arms and the women's stink and no one saves their crush.

So like you always have to distinguish between my personal opinion of how things should be

and my legal analysis.

It's a different thing.

But I want to hear both though because I.

Well, my personal opinion is there should be no presidents, no voting, no government.

So like no government at all.

No.

So they know police departments.

No.

And everyone just acts accordingly and everyone's nice.

Well, if you see someone not acting nice.

We're going to.

Then you can either take care of the problem yourself.

If you are the stronger person.

Or you can start a business whose whole idea is to take care of those types of problems

and then charge people for running that business.

Okay.

Hmm.

Yeah, we've had those discussions though about your little hippie group.

But as far as legal analysis, only citizens can vote.

Like that's that's pretty well.

That's not the case though.

Yes, it is.

No, it is.

Legals have voted in almost every election.

The legal status is only citizens could vote.

So why is the SAFE Act even important?

So if the words are already in the law, the safe act again, it now makes you prove that

you're voting legally rather than you vote.

And then if I think you voted illegally, I get an arrest warrant and why you're get showing

ID to vote.

Yes.

It's a violation of your amendments.

Right.

Okay.

If you bill of rights, right?

So I shouldn't have to prove to you that I'm doing this legally.

You have to prove that I'm doing it illegally.

Okay.

I was going to make a comment, but I think it was a really racist.

So I backed off on that.

Interesting.

Well, I am for the safe act and I do believe that we should prove, well, okay, you buy

stuff in the store.

That's ID required.

Sometimes.

Do you show your ID?

Well, I have to if I want to buy the stuff.

Okay.

So you're looking at that as a difference because it's not the government asking.

No, it's not different.

I don't think that should be allowed either.

And that shouldn't be the store.

But you've been the need then.

Well, I have to get the stuff.

No, you don't.

It's your choice.

You want this stuff.

You don't need it.

That's not, that's like, that's irrelevant to the point.

Okay.

We'll see.

Like I should have to show ID.

Okay.

Why should I have to show ID?

Like what?

Okay.

The store doesn't really care.

Okay.

The first of all, the store knows that I'm over 21.

I think they fucking know that, right?

It's only because the government tells them, well, if they look 40, you got to ask for

ID, right?

The store doesn't give a fuck.

The 16 year old running the cashier definitely doesn't give a fuck.

Like he wouldn't care.

Even if a 12 year old tried to buy alcohol.

And by the way, 100 years ago, 12 year olds could buy all the alcohol they wanted.

Oh, no, I'm against the 21 age to drink.

They should start much younger if you're with your parents.

I think there's a way to bring your kids into the world of drinking.

I mean, that's how it works in everyone else in the world.

Yeah.

No, I agree.

Europe's got it much better than we do.

No drinking until, well, actually Wisconsin, you can start drinking at 18 if you're with your

parents.

Hmm.

18.

I think I remember that.

You go to wine and beer, 19 you go to spirits.

But actually if you go back years ago, like to the 70s, Wisconsin kept their drinking

age at 18.

Yeah.

Which is where it should be.

Well, I don't think there should be any law.

I mean, that's up to the parents, right?

No, okay.

Then you are for transitioning kids then.

No, I'm up for parents managing their kids.

So you and Chase are hanging out there.

You guys are hanging out in the freedom festival?

We already had this discussion.

I think he's right on that.

That's so wrong.

That's right.

You posted that thing on Twitter.

Half of us think we should transition our kids.

Right.

You should.

You think you should.

I don't know why.

I don't think they should.

I think legally you have no right to stop them.

People are going to do stupid shit and you have no right to stop them.

But you're affecting the life of somebody else.

Okay.

That happens to everyone's kids.

Right.

Did you never like anytime your kids said no, did you agree with the kid?

No, you said you got to brush your teeth on.

True.

Okay.

Well, you violated your kids rights.

I'm not cutting my kids penis off if you ask.

Okay.

So how are you like what process are you using to say this fluoridated toothpaste must go

in the kids mouth, but we can't chop dicks up.

Right.

Like you did you get your kids circumcised at all?

Yes.

Well, so you did chop his dick up.

It's a little bit.

Oh, what's the difference?

Just tricks them out.

So what's the difference?

I mean like circumcision needs to go by the same logic.

That shouldn't be allowed if you want to mad because you're circumcised.

Yes.

You want you they actually have a support group for you.

I don't need a support.

I want to be able to sue my parents.

So that's what you have.

So if a child, if a parent, uh, trans is their kid and then the kid grows up and says, why

did you do this to me?

They should be able to sue their parents and the doctor and the doctor.

Yeah.

Okay.

In the hospital.

Yeah.

Everybody who has a financial involvement in that.

Yes.

So how did you solve this problem?

True, but the problem is that you're still cutting kids dicks off and it's not.

Okay, but like there has to be some rule of law.

No, there doesn't have to be.

There is.

Because anytime you have this rule of law bullshit, whoever's running the show is going

to make bullshit laws.

They're going to force you to abuse kids.

So how does this happen in your society with no law?

Okay.

Well, so let's, let's take an example that exists right now.

Okay.

Uh, do you believe the vaccine schedule is out of control?

Oh, yeah.

They get like 70 something vaccines by the year, year two, right?

And that's not the COVID shit.

But that's mandated by the government.

It only if you only if you want kid in public school, you don't have to vaccinate.

Okay.

But you choose to vaccinate.

Most people are going to do it anyway because the doctor pressures you, right?

The doctor who was an expert is going to pressure some guy that just works on a factory.

He doesn't know any better.

And the guy's going to say, well, the doctor knows what's best, right?

But if the doctor says, well, you got to trans your kid, how does this guy in the factory

lying know any difference?

Right?

The doctor said this.

The doctor says that.

I don't know.

He's the expert.

So cutting your dick out, your kid's dick off is the same as listening to the doctor

for vaccines.

It is.

They're both abused.

They're both abused.

And like, and when you have the system where we have rules, some of those rules will be

abusive.

And now every kid gets abused.

Whereas in my system, look, you're never going to get rid of abuse.

Period.

You're not.

Okay.

You can have whatever rules you want.

You will never eliminate abuse.

So we want a system that has a way to deal with abuse that minimizes abuse.

And my system does that.

How?

What do you do that parents who abuse?

I just explained that.

You know, I mean, you said you stopped it.

That's how you explained it.

Do you punish them?

Do you sue them?

No, no, no, that's the kid has to sue them.

You can't.

Okay.

In your society, in your group of individuals, there is no law, no government, but you see

two guys, two people beating the hell out of their kid.

Do you stop them?

If they're beating them, I can probably stop them.

Like I'm pretty sure.

How would you stop them?

The same way I'd stop them from beating anybody else up.

Okay.

So, but it's their kid.

Sure.

So I can't take the kid away.

So you're taking the role of the government.

No.

Well, how are you not?

You're beating somebody else and you disagree with it.

Yeah.

So if you see someone making their kids brush their teeth three times a day and you think

only two times a day is adequate, do you stop that?

I mean, where do you draw the line?

Well, I mean, I could draw my line, but my line is not going to be everyone's line.

Well, all I'm saying is even in your free society, you would still need laws or basic

You don't.

You don't.

Okay.

What percentage of people do you think will see a kid getting beaten in public and stop

it?

Back in the nineties, it was a thing.

If you saw somebody beating their kid, you in the story, you stopped it.

Okay.

Turned you a big fight.

Then we don't need a rule because everyone is already going to do this.

But now what percent of people do you think want to stop a kid from brushing three times

a day?

0.001 with one guy, maybe?

Well, then who gives a fuck?

Right?

And he's a dentist, right?

I mean, who cares?

Let that guy have his opinion.

Right?

You'd be taking care of it very quickly.

Yeah.

So we always follow in that debate.

But no, it's fine.

I don't agree with this.

I come from the mindset of the strong and strong shall survive.

You come from the group mentality is good and we'll all be happy and live happily around

there.

There's no group mentality.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Because well, it's more of a Travis thing, but you also, you also know that's not a Travis

thing.

You see that?

That's you.

No, Travis is talking.

I always, Travis's argument is we'll have a group of people, we'll have a little society

and in our society, we'll all take care of each other.

And if someone acts out, that's the argument.

That's not his argument at all.

He believes the same thing I do.

Okay.

So do you live as a hermit or do you live in a, do you live right out of the people?

Whatever you want.

So do you claim, how do you, do you trade?

So you just trade with the other people?

Sure.

And if they do something you don't like, you stop trading with them.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Or all right, all right, raise their prices.

Right?

No, no, no, no, bullshit.

I've gone bullshit right there because you, Travis and Charles have called me out every

single time on privatizing roads and I say they'll toll it and they'll just raise the

price and I get called stupid, retarded.

Well, who would do that?

They'll lose business.

But you say, hold on, hold on, hold on, you go into stupid mode when you say, I'll make

your price a million dollars.

Right?

I don't think it was seven million dollars.

I'll raise it so you can't, it's gonna be hard for you to afford it.

I don't want to show my property.

Okay.

But you were doing it just because?

Well, no, I'm doing it because you cut your kids dick off.

Because I don't like any of you guys.

Right.

That's a stupid reason.

That's a stupid reason.

I'm doing it because you cut your kids dick off and everyone in the community agrees

with me.

Okay.

And now like you have to get forgiven somehow for doing that.

Okay.

That's not like we raise the price forever.

There's a government thing wrapped up in there somewhere.

There's not.

You all got together.

You, you said we're good.

They're bad.

And we're not government.

The government is giving your fucking money and if you're lucky, we'll let you use the

road.

There's different forms of government than just giving your money.

No, there's not.

That's literally all government is.

They want to make the rules.

They want to make the rules.

They want to enforce the rules.

Right.

But we're not doing that.

Okay.

So like, okay, in a hypothetical society where let's say 50% of people want you to cut your

kids dick off and 50% don't want you.

Okay.

So your prices will only go up with that 50%.

The other people might lower your prices.

Like, oh, the Ryan cut his kids dick off.

Let's give him a discount.

Right.

So it's going to work out in the end.

Right.

If you have more favorable ideas, you're going to have lower prices.

And if you have really bad ideas, you're going to have higher prices.

All right.

I don't agree.

I don't understand.

That's fine.

This could go on forever.

It does at the bars we were there on Friday nights.

What else can we talk about?

Should we bring our guests on?

No, let me, well, let's do a few more.

No, oh, you hear that?

You hear that, Mike?

What?

You said, no, we're not going to do that.

No, we're going to do it.

But I want to finish embarrassing you on stuff you don't know.

Okay.

No, this is actually just stupid shit.

Just because I mean with the election coming up, there's a lot going on and we don't know,

you know, Biden's obviously not going to be the guy on the ticket or maybe is.

Which he should be.

Well, he was back in the lead for a little bit and then Kamala took him over today.

You're talking about betting sites.

Betting sites are never wrong.

Even though they keep changing their minds, they're never wrong.

Well, because they're always right.

At least one day on Wednesday, they said this, oh, they must be right.

Right.

No, but I mean at this point, because I thought he'd be gone and that was my prediction, even

though I don't want him gone.

So I'm going to miss my 30 days probably unless something like he falls on some stairs and

checks his head now or Obama just pushes him.

But so that's why I'm going to kind of deal with that with a little bit.

Like, because George, after the debate, I had said this debate was a setup for Joe to get

him out of the election.

And during the debate, I say Biden did okay only because he didn't pass out.

He didn't shit himself.

And I think I understood more words than I didn't understand.

So that was success for me with Biden.

But that's we obviously, you know, he obviously needs to go.

But wasn't he elected to the primaries through voters in the Democrat Party?

Chose him?

I don't know how the Democrat system works because they have primaries, but then they

have their convention.

So like, well, no, he gets the delegates and he owns the delegates.

Okay.

So he has the delegates.

Okay.

So they have to only have to respect the voter rights.

I don't think they have to.

Shouldn't they?

I mean, they don't because they don't.

But I mean, the fact is.

They have to.

I would have to look that one up.

I won't.

I'm not you cite that source.

We'll talk about that.

I mean, like, I know Democrats have always like fucked around.

I believe he owns his, his, his, his delegates.

And well, like, what's her name?

The Peabring girl, the South Carolina governor ran against Trump.

Nikki Haley.

She, she just gave all her delegates to Trump.

Right.

I have no idea.

But they're different.

They're different party.

They're not similar though.

No.

They have some similarities, but they can do whatever they want.

Like just like libertarian can do whatever, whatever our bylaws say.

That's what we do.

I say, I think, I think he owns the, the, the, I have no idea.

So I just want to transition that story into George Clooney.

No, fuck this douchebag.

Ocean's 14.

No, I mean, he, who does he, I don't like, I don't like when actors or musicians who

are trained monkeys and they do little show for his little dance floors and we watch them.

That doesn't mean we care about their fucking opinion.

George Clooney one day.

Oh, Joe Biden's great.

I love Joe Biden.

Let's get him $30 million, raise $30 million for him.

A couple of days later.

Oh, I want George.

I want him gone.

He's got to go.

Really?

You fucking.

Did you see the ocean's 14 meme?

No, it was like, uh, oceans 14 where, where Danny Ocean gets his crew together and convinces

a bunch of voters to like donate $100 million to Joe Biden or something like that.

Oh, I don't know.

I just, I just get annoyed with actors and actresses and whatever, just trying to force

our pending dollars.

And the one cool thing is it's, it's, it's finally come into light that we don't want

to hear them.

They're, they think they're Hollywood elite.

Yeah.

And if they weren't entertainers on TV, we wouldn't even know their name.

Speaking of celebrities, the Alec Baldwin trial started.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm curious.

I was watching it for a little bit on Viva Frei.

So it's, it's, he's in New Mexico.

Is he on trial in an American court or in a, an Indian court?

I think it's American.

Cause it seems like a white judge and everything.

Okay.

I didn't know.

I never really liked it.

Cause I mean, New Mexico has got a lot of Indian reservations.

Um, yeah, no, I'm really curious about it cause he was wrong.

He, because I, because I got into a couple of debates back then and ultimately it is

the actors responsibility to ensure that the gun is not loaded with a live round.

Plus he is not allowed to point it at anybody.

Yeah.

So he is wrong.

Well, okay.

So if you're doing a scene where requires pointing at something, no, they need camera

tricks.

You are not allowed.

I don't know about that.

But anyway, she wasn't an actor.

She was just a crew member.

Right.

So he was fucking around.

So that was definitely out of, out of line.

But no, you're not, it's not there.

You're not allowed to point a gun at any other actor live or death.

I don't think that the can't be right cause that's how Brandon Lee died.

Right.

And the people, oh yeah.

Cause he, yeah.

He got caught with fragments, but the gun was pointed at him.

Yeah.

But there was a scene where they were killing at the end of the movie.

They're killing that.

But that could have created the law.

That's possible.

But I don't, I never, all I know is what I read is it's the actor's responsibility

to ensure that's not a live round.

Yeah.

And they are not allowed to point it at somebody.

And they were even showing like movie filmings where you point a gun.

Yeah.

And then take the gun down and the person stands in there and that's how they use the camera

tricks to make it look like you're actually pointing the gun at somebody.

Interesting.

He's wrong on at least a couple things.

Yeah.

Are they going to find him guilty?

Well, so far the prosecution doesn't seem to be talking about any of that shit.

So like they've only talked about, they've had the cop on the stand, the guy who arrived

at the scene first and like, what did you do?

And oh my God, this guy's a fucking clown.

I mean, the guy, okay, so he shows up and he asks the armorer chick, the girl that's

already been convicted, what guns were used for this incident?

And she says that one.

And then he takes that one gun, puts it in his car and there's a cart of other guns

and he just lets him go.

And then like, he says, okay, what, what boxes of bullets did you load from?

She says those two boxes.

So he puts those boxes in his car.

And they got there's a cart of other boxes.

Right.

That he just doesn't examine, doesn't look at anything.

Well, but does he have a right to take the guns?

If they're not using a weapon?

Well, how does he know that they were used?

I mean, I mean, wouldn't you take all of them?

You would think right?

It's gun confiscation.

I mean, but they're not owned by an individual.

They're owned by the movie corporation.

Okay.

And they're possible evidence in a crime.

Well, if he believes the person said that there's one gun.

Why would he believe that?

I don't know.

That's fucking stupid.

So all you're saying is your four gun confiscation then?

No.

You just said you weren't.

You're not confiscating it.

No, no, no.

You're not confiscating it.

You're you're you're temporarily taking it for evidence of a crime.

Oh my God.

If that is not a government response to something, I've never heard anything.

Nothing else will be a government.

But that's not complicated because you get it back.

We're just borrowing it for a while.

Well, yeah, they're borrowing.

You can't use it right now.

We're going to hold it, but we'll give it back to you.

That's how evidence of a crime.

That's how evidence works.

I know.

It's just not a funny come out of your mouth.

I got to let you get away with something.

I can get you on.

This guy is like, okay, but that's the only witness they got through, I think, and they

might have gotten it through another one today, but it was it was bad.

I don't know how long it's going to last, but what's the point?

There is.

There also is, I forget the term they use them, basically in competence in the production

department.

Yeah.

And since he was a producer, which is odd because they cannot mention in court he was

a producer.

What?

Yeah, I know.

I found that out.

I'm like, that's really odd.

But they're saying that they cut they cut corners and they took shortcuts to to get this film

under budget and they hired an arms lady who really didn't seem to be all that qualified.

No, I think that was her first chance.

Her dad was a famous armor, but like she was just some nobody that was her first game.

So if your dad was a famous surgeon, I'm sure it's not going to hire you to surgery on

me.

Oh, but, but I mean, it's just an example of D.I. hiring.

It's all that is.

It's diversity hiring and now someone's dead.

But I just, I don't like Alec Baldwin.

I mean, I do.

Well, early on, I mean, as an actor, I don't, you know, back before the Internet, I see

him on a box.

Somebody living in the guys funny.

I dug it.

But then as he got, as people got more informed about him, he's a left-wing loon.

Wouldn't it be fun if he went to jail for a gunshot?

It would be pretty funny.

I mean, the irony in that would, yeah, well, I kind of hope this case carries out for a

while because after November, we don't have much talk about because we don't talk politics.

So we can address that case back there.

I don't know.

Well, so speaking of gun cases, a guy was just convicted, I think, of illegally buying

a machine gun.

So, so this is like a test case that we can get up to the Supreme Court.

What state did it happen?

I don't remember.

So the problem with that is that they punt a lot of gun cases.

Did you do you understand?

You may not know this.

Do you know?

I think Chicago had a no-console carry, no open carry, very restricted.

I went and bought one the day after that that should happen.

Do you know how it came about to where they had, well, I say Chicago, it was Illinois.

Where Illinois had to allow the concealed carry.

I didn't follow the whole trial.

What happened was every time a gun case, similar to this, which the Supreme Court, they punted

it.

Right.

Because they knew how they had to rule, but they didn't really want to.

So somebody in the NRA or somebody around the NRA got really smart because in Washington,

DC, they are not a state, they are a district.

They don't have a judicial system in DC.

The Supreme Court is their judicial system.

I think they have lowers, but like it's a fact.

I mean, it's a fact.

It's a fact.

It's a fact.

It's a fact.

It can take it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But for large cases, it has to go to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court can't punt it.

Interesting.

So it was modeled after Illinois or Chicago's gun ban and it got overturned and in a weird

move, Chicago, like the next day went, oh, okay, we don't have a gun ban anymore.

Yeah.

It's like in Colorado when we got legalized the day after the election, pot stores opened

everywhere and I'm not even kidding.

It was the day after because they already had medical so the rec was just sitting there

waiting to unlock the doors.

But yeah, that's what Chicago did.

Yeah.

So I don't know what state this was in, but like it was enough to make the news.

So like it might, it might be something that gets pushed up.

As long as they don't punt it.

They say that's what it's, it was hoping it happened.

Well, I mean, with the current construction of the court, like they might take this.

I don't know.

I mean, like back in 2008 or whenever the McDonald and other cases happened, it was a different

court.

I kind of dig some of the rulings that came out this time with Supreme Court, but you

go back in the last four or five years, they've been, they've been lackluster.

I mean, like, dude, they get thousands of cases.

Like it's not, they, even if they wanted to take some of these, they can't take them

off.

Okay.

But see here, here's, this is where I got sour with the Supreme Court.

Back in 2020, Texas filed a lawsuit against other states.

We discussed this already.

Okay.

But that's where I went sour on the spring.

We ain't got to remind me because I don't pay attention.

I ramble on and get distracted and tell five stories in one.

I mean, they can't take everything.

They just can't.

Yeah.

But it's safe to say they should.

They should because, because there is no other judicial branch to do it.

Right.

Everyone has a right to their day in court.

Not necessarily.

No, if I want to sue you for wearing that stupid, ugly, yellow thing, I could sue you

for that.

But you don't have a right to it.

You have a right to your day in court.

No, you don't.

Okay.

I just, I think I will, we'll put a pin in that.

A judge can look at that and say you're a fucking idiot, dismissed.

But that's, isn't it your day in court?

No.

You're going in front of a judge.

That's what they did to Texas.

They said, you know, we're not, no, they punted it.

That's what they exactly, they didn't say this is retarded, dismissed.

But it wasn't retarded.

It was factual.

They never really wanted to.

No, no, I gotcha.

Because speaking of one of the states they were suing, I believe it was Michigan.

Did you hear what that governor did today?

No.

I got to read this for a minute.

I don't think I want to know.

She passed a law that no recount can be called on if it's fraud is involved.

How does that matter?

How can you pass that?

Like what?

Yeah.

Well, you also know they don't have their ballots for 2020 and you're supposed to keep

them and they lost them.

Oh my God.

They went off to a holding facility in California and somehow they got lost.

How did this law even like, oh my God.

Well, no, I mean, you want to talk about the government of New Mexico about a year ago

or six months ago, she banned open carry.

Yeah, but that wasn't a law.

That was like, she just said it.

It was an emergency order.

Okay, but that's one person going off the rails.

Whereas in Michigan, you had to have the whole fucking legislature, both houses, I assume

they have two houses, pass that and then the governor signed it.

I've got to look at it.

Are we sure it was an executive order?

No, I'm pretty sure it was a law.

Okay.

So what executive order is a law?

No, it's not.

Executive order is a law until it's repealed, right?

No.

An executive order, I declare it less than such.

And technically, they're only supposed to be allowed to issue orders against other people

in the government.

Right?

So like, I order that postal stamps shall cost 30 cents.

That's an executive order.

You can't order citizens to do anything.

So in your world, but in the real world, because I've lost count of it.

Well, a lot of times they sneakily do it in a way like that.

So because they'll say, oh, the ATF exists and the ATF can ban machine guns, I order

the ATF to define bump stocks as a machine gun, right?

Trump didn't say you can't own a bump stock.

Trump said ATF, you must define machine gun to be bump stocks.

Right?

So they can, that's how they get around that.

Okay.

I mean, it's bullshit, but like, I'm great.

Well, but like the governor in New Mexico who did that stupid ass thing and then the

governor in Washington state actually went through the law, passed the law saying that

if you own a handgun, you have to secure it.

If somebody breaks into your house and steals your gun, you're responsible for everything

that gun does after that.

And the reason I'm bringing these two states up is the governor has passed the law and

the sheriff went, fuck no, we're not enforcing any of this.

And we don't care what she says or he says, we're not, it's against the constitution.

So hats off to most of the sheriffs in this country because I'm pretty happy when they

do shit like that.

Let me just see.

So FTC, so you do know Biden's speech was called the big boy speech.

Yes.

The head to be his wife.

I do.

He's, I remember the way he answered all the questions.

I thought it's such a great job.

I thought it was something that the right was making fun of him.

No, that's what they said.

That was his cabinet that came up with it.

His people came up with big boys.

So dumb.

He's going to do a big boy speech in his big boy pants and it's all going to be good.

What are people thinking?

Um, you know, I made fun of Clooney.

I got a save act.

Yeah, I think I'm done.

My story.

Do you want to do your, uh, why don't we bring our guests on?

You want to do the dark web thing or not?

Or no, let's bring our guests.

Okay.

All right.

So we're here with Mike Wilson from sporebaby.com and he's going to talk about mushrooms.

That's right.

Hey everyone, I'm Mike from sporebaby.com.

We sell genuine magic mushroom spores.

They're legal.

There's no psychoactive property to them.

And what we do is we put them in stores.

So they're in hydroponic shops, garden centers, uh, smoke shops and, uh, you know, health

food stores.

So, uh, people that want to, uh, well, we sell them for research purposes only taxonomy

and religious, uh, but, uh, spores are like seeds for mushrooms.

So, uh, what would normally happen in nature is two spores would get together in a substrate

and start to colonize into mycelium and then grow mushrooms.

And, uh, and the thing is that I'm a member of the Las Vegas psychedelic society and

I have been for years and years and years.

We host a weekly integration circles every Tuesday and we work with veterans and terminal

end of life illness and so many other people that I've seen this, uh, the mushroom really

have a huge impact.

And, uh, and then, uh, I also work with decolonized nature and that's a nationwide organization.

So if you're interested, you can go to decolonized nature.org and, uh, we wrote legislation.

A friend of mine wrote legislation and we, uh, got it through the Senate and the governor

signed the bill.

He removed the part that decriminalized up to six ounces, but it's, so it happened, but

there's still it's a study bill and, uh, UNLV is currently distributing, uh, mushrooms

to people who need it.

Cool.

Um, so talk about it like the benefits, uh, specifically.

Yeah.

So there's been several different studies.

So I'll first talk about the adverse reactions.

There was a study of 9,000 people and it was a 0.06% adverse reaction to psilocybin mushrooms.

So similar to the COVID vaccine, you'd say.

Yeah.

Oh boy.

Better testing on the mushrooms.

I think we have thousands of years of our ancestors eating them.

I'm pretty sure they're okay to eat the LD 50, which is a lethal dose.

Yup.

Uh, it's, it's similar to marijuana.

So there's, it's almost no way that you can, pretty much there's no way that you can overdose.

So you can't eat too many.

It's not poisonous and, uh, it won't hurt you.

Yeah.

But what I, what I recommend is, is the micro dose.

So it's below the threshold that you can feel it.

So you're not, you know, really feeling any crazy effects, but what it does, it rebuilds

neurons and nerve endings and, uh, the coding around the nerve.

And so it helps against the neuropathy and, uh, Alzheimer's and dementia.

And there's so many benefits to it.

Like I said, the veterans that we work with, we see, uh, PTSD, um, uh, go away, anxiety,

depression, and all sorts of things like that.

He should.

And we've been working for sports injuries as well, by the way.

So this is, this is a real medicine.

Uh, and we're just now kind of, but only do it when it's legal.

Finding out.

Make sure it's legal in your state or country.

Yeah.

Cause we don't promote breaking the law and tearing the cage.

No, check your local laws for sure.

And that's why we work with our politicians, uh, is because we still want to include them

in, in a part of the solution.

We don't need to.

The police testified at the hearing, the same hearing I testified at.

And we, uh, the police said, well, we really don't even know what they look like.

And we only see 29 pounds last year.

So they don't, uh, they don't see it as a problem because it's not, it's not an addictive,

uh, uh, drug.

In fact, it works against addictions.

And that's why I championed it so much here in Las Vegas.

I'm a resident in Las Vegas over 30 years.

I love Vegas and, uh, but the addictions are at the heart of, of kind of what happens here.

And boy, if you have a vice, this town has, you know, it makes it available.

So, uh, so what we find is, uh, it works against addictions, even smoking better than any sort

of pharmaceutical drug.

And, and people don't go back to it.

They don't have the desire to go back.

So we find that, you know, maybe just a week or two of micro dosing and, uh, and with intention

and, uh, you just, you don't have the desire anymore and you end up not going back to it.

So yeah, the studies are showing, uh, we didn't need the studies, but feel free to check out

the studies.

If you go to resources at sportbaby.com, just click on resources and there's a ton of studies

listed there, John Hopkins universities and so many others.

Um, and now what the pharmaceutical companies are going to do is they're going to try to

isolate certain compounds and see if they can get the same benefits with the, maybe without

the psychoactive effect.

I've always been, you know, on the side of mother nature, you know, you kind of want

the full complex one way or another.

Um, and so that, that might be the best way to go.

And so I want people to be able to do this directly.

And, uh, typically these things sell online.

You can, you can go anywhere.

You can go to sportbaby.com and get them there.

But I really encourage people to go to the stores and just, you know, pay cash.

If the store accepts a Monero, you should use Monero.

And get your spores in hand and go right to the, to whatever you need to do instead of

waiting to ship online and putting your address online.

You don't have to do that using your credit card.

So we do accept crypto at sporebaby.com as well.

Cool.

And, um, and it's a, it's a project I've been a part of for four, about four years now.

And I'm excited to be there.

You sell food mushrooms as well, right?

Like Portobello and those kinds of things, right?

Yeah.

Well, so I'm glad you asked.

Uh, a lot of those mushrooms don't.

Spoor light.

So, so yeah, so those are done different ways.

And, uh, so we, we don't actually have, those are done by liquid culture and, and,

and things of that nature.

Um, but so we don't currently have those, but that's what I want.

And so I'm glad you asked because even on the website, it kind of says there, you

know, um, these, these magic mushrooms are kind of a gateway to the benefits of all

mushrooms.

And so lion's mane, reishi, you know, shiitake, matake, I mean, the list goes on

court, except these have, uh, they're known as a foundational food.

So they're give you both nutritional value and medicinal value.

It's so important.

Okay.

Now I'm a big advocate of growing mushrooms.

And so we have a training course.

It's four chapters long, three, and we just want people to learn how to grow

mushrooms.

Uh, blue oysters are some of the hardest strains and easiest to grow.

And so within 30 days, you can have yourself a huge harvest of, of blue

oyster mushrooms.

And if you're not familiar, uh, the mushrooms, after they've grown and you've

harvest them, uh, you do a flush.

And what that means is you get to grow more and it just happens.

A bunch more will grow.

And you can do that five or six times with one, uh, brick that's already colonized

and they sell them online.

I don't currently sell colonized, um, uh, bricks, but they have them in there.

You know, North spore is a great company.

I always recommend.

And if you shoulder, uh, one of these or two of these, um, blocks, basically you

cut the bag open and the mushrooms grow right out of it.

You can just cut an X in the bag as well.

And, and you'll grow tons, pounds and pounds and pounds.

In fact, more than you probably eat.

The cool thing about mushrooms is they store very well.

So when you dry them, and I recommend drying them in the sun, just as we've

always done, you know, uh, but you can get a cheap dehydrator or use your oven.

Uh, when you rehydrate them, uh, they don't lose their nutritional value.

They keep their nutritional value.

If you didn't know.

So, uh, also, uh, mushrooms, uh, side notes, speaking of nutrition, uh, they are

the only source of vitamin D outside of the sun, which is, you can't really get

your vitamin D from the sun.

It's kind of tough.

You get some, uh, and meat, right?

Meat is the other source of vitamin D.

So if you're not eating meat, or if there's some sort of, uh, supply chain

disruption where meat kind of goes out, at least we got a protein coming from

the mushrooms, we got our vitamin D and you want to stay healthy.

So I also advocate, uh, to grow, uh, sprouts and, uh, microgreens.

It's one of the easiest things you can do.

They grow in three days.

Power pack, when nutrition, you grow them in the dark.

Anybody can do it.

Super easy.

So between the kombucha, kefir, which I know I'm mispronouncing, uh, but these

good, uh, um, cultures of bacteria that's good for the gut health, you know,

between that and the mushrooms and the sprouts.

And if you just do that, and then of course just a, you know, a couple of

tablespoons of sprouts will grow a whole pound, you know, so I mean, you can store

these, uh, sprouting seeds for a long time and, uh, and they, they just grow

like crazy, give you good nutrition indoor, you do it inside in a, in a mason jar.

So it's one of the easiest ways to do it.

They have whole systems.

If you want to, uh, you know, put, put more money into it, but between all that,

yeah, the mushrooms and the sprouts and the microgreens and the kombucha and,

and we have a training course to show you how to do kombucha.

It's very simple.

Um, and with those kind of, uh, uh, tools, you'll have enough to share with

your neighbors, your family, your community.

And I think that's the most important thing because we do live in abundance

and, uh, with enough people making kind of a little backyard gardens and things

like that with a cryptocurrency being as private as it is, we can transact

amongst each other on a, on a private network of sorts.

And, uh, and then, uh, we cut out to any, any of the middle man and go

straight to the source.

So if you're, uh, if you're looking to join a community that's doing

stuff like that, I think that's, uh, that's what we're doing here in Vegas.

Uh, uh, that's what I'm trying to do.

And so I also run another website.

I'll bring it up.

It's a inform empower.

That's I N F O R M empower E M P O W E R.com inform empower.

And that's where some of the training courses are.

And that's where we'll put up a few more training courses.

And then we, uh, we do our virtual summit where we teach people how to use

technology to better their lives.

Uh, and, uh, we teach people about privacy and, and, uh, and other, uh,

other great projects, uh, that support privacy.

So, um, and then of course we run our, our, our weekly meetup

of the Vegas crypto group.

And that's where Dave and I met.

Yeah.

Um, so yeah, technically speaking of crypto, uh, that's going to be our

Monero challenge this week.

Uh, you have to give us your best mushroom based recipe and put a

fixed picture in the chat.

Uh, and then we'll vote on whoever has the best one and then you'll get 0.01

Monero.

Oh, I love it.

I love it.

All right.

So if you've, if you've stayed tuned this long to the whole talk, I really

appreciate you must definitely like, uh, mushrooms or want to learn about mushrooms.

Uh, it's, it's been really fulfilling to me.

In fact, even, uh, growing mushrooms, I wonder to myself, if I'm growing the

mushrooms, if they're growing me because all the things I learned and the great

people that I meet in the community.

And, and so I will quickly, uh, briefly speak about the community that we're

building.

Uh, I have a course Vegas crypto group here in Las Vegas, where we meet, uh,

pretty much weekly.

There's 1800 members.

We have a great time, come out, talk crypto and, and trade crypto.

That's another thing, you know, we talk about it as a peer to peer.

So, you know, where do I buy my crypto?

How do I, you know, where do I get it?

How do I do this?

Or, or how do I sell my crypto and maybe whatever it is?

But our group has that in any meetup.

In fact, if you're not watching this in Vegas and you may not be, uh, I

encourage you to search your, uh, meetup.com for, uh, crypto groups.

They have, uh, they're very like-minded.

You'll be, you'll be really surprised what you can find.

And when a community comes together, I think you're stronger as an

individual within a community.

And, and this is why I've always kind of done that.

And so we have our, our Vegas crypto group community, which I greatly value.

And then, uh, we just started a sport baby community, something built more

around, uh, psychedelics and the benefits there.

And, and of course, um, all the other, uh, things that go along with that.

And, uh, and we're doing a meetup around sport babies.

So I think that'd be a lot of fun.

We released an NFT series, uh, which I'm, I'm excited about.

Not, I know, not everybody's into NFTs, um, but it is, uh, a great way to

build around a community and find some support.

And after six years of hosting meetups, I've had 120 meetups here in Vegas

and Denver, Miami and LA and so many other places.

And we're, we're planning, uh, in fact, we have a screening in Nashville.

If you're going to be in Nashville for the Litecoin or Bitcoin, uh, convention,

we have the 29th floor, two blocks away from a music city hall.

So we're, we're there, uh, we'll there have the Bitcoin convention.

So come out and see the screening.

Um, but reach out to me if you want, uh, more information on that.

But, uh, I forgot where I was at.

Yeah.

That's great.

Um, yeah.

Thanks for coming on.

I think that's good.

Yeah.

Uh, thank you for having me on.

I hope to have a little more time to talk about, uh, you know, several different

things.

So hopefully maybe have me back on as another guest.

All right.

So, uh, yeah, let's talk about honeypots.

You know what a honeypot is?

Um, yeah, I, not the one in Winnie the Pooh.

Not the one in Winnie the Pooh.

Um, yeah, I've heard, I've heard it.

Use it.

I, yeah, I vaguely go ahead and find it.

So, um, a honeypot is, uh, you think there's a bad guy and he wants to steal

something or, uh, get into something or whatever.

So you put a fake thing out there and the bad guy goes after the fake thing.

So that's the real thing.

Ah, okay.

And a lot of times the government does this, right?

So, uh, like the whole, uh, Gretchen Whitmer kidnapped plot, right?

That was a honeypot, right?

So like, uh, the government said, Hey, we're going to kidnap the governor

and let's see if any bad guys come and take the honeypot.

Right.

Um, but I want to talk about honeypots in, uh, the computer world.

Okay.

So, uh, there's always people attacking everything that's on the internet.

No, all the time, 24 seven.

Okay.

Right.

So right now, like someone's trying to attack your router, I guarantee it.

Um, so honeypot is a fake machine that lets them in and then they can play around

with it and think they're doing something.

Oh, okay.

So, so why would you want to do this?

Um, well, one, it keeps them off your real systems, right?

Um, but there's other things you can do with that, with that information.

So you can see, uh, what kind of trends are happening in the hacker world.

Oh, right.

Like, um, what kinds of malware are being deployed?

Um, what kinds?

You can also actually, uh, get their passwords to their malware sometimes.

Oh, so if someone tries to install a malware in your honeypot, they'll often put

like, uh, their own software with, uh, authentication so that they can only,

they can use it.

Okay.

So you can log in and say, ooh, how do they authenticate themselves?

And then you can take over their other machines.

Uh, that's if you want to be a bad person, you can hack the hacker.

Yes.

I dig that.

Um, but you can also, uh, you can also analyze the malware, uh, reported to sites

that, um, maintain databases of this stuff and, you know, help the community fight

this stuff.

Um, so in general, it's a, I don't know if I would say it's a good idea to run a

honeypot because you will get more network traffic.

Uh, and like you will get, um, hackers to start targeting you, even though they're

getting a bad, a site that goes nowhere.

Um, it does clog up some of your bandwidth.

Um, you might get flagged by your ISP, depending on how your honeypot works.

Um, but you do get to collect all the malware that they're uploading, right?

And then database and catalog it and, you know, use it yourself.

If you're one of those type of people, um, don't do that.

It's illegal.

We never break the law here.

Um, but yeah.

So it's, it's one thing you want to consider, uh, especially those little boxes

that I was displaying, uh, a couple of episodes ago, right?

You set up a honeypot on one of those things, just put it off in the corner and let it run.

Yeah.

I gotta get some of that.

I really liked that.

But yeah.

So that's just a, you know, a quick rundown of something you can do.

Would you recommend somebody uses a honeypot or not?

Could you give some positive things?

It's a negative thing.

If you don't know what you're doing, I would say skip it.

Okay.

Right.

So if you're, if you're in IT, you understand how this stuff works, uh, how to deploy it,

how to, how to isolate your network from those things.

So like you might have the antivirus and it, you can load their malware into your

antivirus.

So now your other systems are protected from it.

Okay.

But you have to know how to do all that shit.

Yeah.

Okay.

So no honeypot at the Morgan house.

Right.

Um, but there are, there are, um, services you can subscribe to that run

honeypots to do this work for you.

And you know, you'd be paying a monthly fee or whatever, but it's worth it.

So yeah, there you go.

Okay.

That's cool.

So let me stop choking and I will get to mine.

So I, I, I kind of talked about this last week and I, I wanted to do, I wanted to close

it out today because it is about food and our guests is going to talk about

mushrooms and mushrooms are, are definitely something that you want to incorporate into

your diet.

And I mean, I would think I try growing mushrooms a few times without success,

but I really wasn't that motivated, but we'll get into that if it's easy or not.

Um, but I was just basically what I just wanted to, um, go finish up on that book

that I was talking about and the book is good energy by Dr.

Casey means and he's, he's kind of brought some science into the food industry.

And it's important that, well, okay.

One of my favorite quotes, I forgot who said it is let thy food be like medicine.

Let thy medicine bear thy food.

Uh, man, and I do believe in that, even though I can garbage food, but as I get older,

I am trying to make those changes where I'm actually eating healthier food and

try to grow my own in a desert, trying to grow to make a price in a desert.

That's stupid.

Am I like the better projects?

He's just like, what?

Now I'm getting some, but I know our heats probably about four to six weeks away

from cooling out.

They'll have my food, but, uh, you know, eating food, uh, that's produced.

Cause I said last week that the, the tobacco companies are the ones buying up

the food, uh, companies back in the nineties and they use their scientist to

kind of come in and mess with the food.

So they can get it to where it tastes better stores better, but to do that,

they had to put a lot of crap into it.

And there's a way to get around the FDA that they, that they're getting away,

they're getting away with this.

And if the supplement or the additive was already a pre-approved, good additive,

doesn't mean great, or it doesn't make you sick, but you can go ahead and do that

without FDA approval, without FDA ever doing it.

And they never checked if you're mixing different ones in there, that if those

are going to have a negative effect with each other and cause problems.

So, I mean, not that I work government regulations, but I am, you know, but we

have to do something with our food supply.

Uh, because basically they're, they're looking at, um, 25% of all deaths are

could be linked back to food.

Um, a lot of it because once you get, once you, the, once you eat this food with

the garbage in it, cause garbage in garbage out, is why I've kind of always

said that, uh, but you can get depression, anxiety, infertility, um, insomnia,

heart disease, which is what kills a lot of people for eating the food that we're,

uh, given to eat Alzheimer's, dementia.

So maybe go buying up too much crap food.

Too many seed oils.

Yeah.

And then cancer as well.

So basically is what I'm trying to get at is grow as much food as you can.

And even though I'm never saying I agree with Dave on something, but I do agree

Dave on find a local rancher to, to buy your food at.

Um, here in Vegas, we really don't have cattle running around here, but just outside

of town, uh, was it overland, overlook over.

It's halfway between Mesquite and here they are there.

Well, you, well, you know, oh, shit.

The Bundy family.

Yeah.

Well, they're East.

No, they were, that's where they were.

They were in the over overland or overlooked.

Oh, okay.

The Bundy family almost started revolutionist country.

I'm not getting into it now.

Look it up, Google it or don't Google it.

Duck duck, go it.

I can tell you the truth.

Um, but there are cattle farmers there where you can go and you can buy, uh,

freshly slaughtered cattle.

Right.

You probably don't want to watch it being slaughtered.

It's not that bad.

Of course you've seen it.

I was a lamb, but yeah, as a lamb.

Yeah.

Oh, you saw.

Oh, yeah, you were a lamb and you saw a slaughter.

I saw a lamb get slaughtered.

How'd they kill it?

Uh, was in Mongolia.

So they had their own way of doing it.

Uh, do you want to hear it?

Sure.

All right.

So, um, they taped the legs together.

They put a small hole in the chest.

Uh, they reach in and they pull the aorta out of the heart.

Okay.

So now the aorta starts pumping blood into the chest cavity.

So like, um, in general, you either want to kill an animal quickly or you want to

drain the blood.

And the reason for that is, uh, if an animal gets in an excited state, it starts

producing adrenaline and the adrenaline gets, it spoils the meat.

So when you have the blood pumping into the chest cavity, that adrenaline just goes

into the chest cavity.

Uh, and then the lamb slowly dies, uh, takes a big 10, 20 seconds.

Uh, and then they start, uh, cleaning it.

So they take the skin off.

Uh, so they let the blood stay in the chest cavity.

They'll pull it out and they go to the floor.

No, they use, you use the blood.

So once the lamb dies and is no longer, you know, uh, struggling, um, they,

they scoop the blood out.

They cut the chest cavity open, they scoop the blood out in the organs and that

gets used to make sausage.

Uh, and then you, um, take the pieces and, you know, have regular lamb meat.

Hmm.

Okay.

I don't know if I need to hear that.

There you go.

You asked.

Well, no, but I mean, in America, you see how they slaughter cows.

Well, you have a big shot of that.

Yeah.

It just pops them in the head.

Yeah.

Well, so this is, this is more similar to halal slaughter.

Okay.

And halal, they hang it upside down and they cut the throat and let the blood

rip out.

Yeah.

That's how you do it.

You're a hunter basically.

Like a lot of hunters do it that way.

Um, yeah.

So no, I guess what I kind of, in closing, just understand your food, do

your best you can to make good decisions because our food is what's

going to kill us if we don't, if we don't watch what we're doing and

corporations are greedy and they will put crap.

So food in there to, uh, make you buy it.

So, uh, I think I'm done.

Cool.

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