Interview with Dr. Jonathan Maxham

Okay, welcome to the Canary in the Cage podcast.

I'm Ron Morgan.

And Dave Havlicek.

We're here to hopefully entertain you, educate you, and maybe even make you laugh.

Now at the end of this, we are going to have a, we have a interview to do.

Yes, we do.

But before we get into the show.

So last week, Ron talked about biodiesel.

Yeah.

And one of our viewers called him out.

Did he give his name?

Well, he did not give his real name, but I know who he is.

And you actually know him too.

He's in Vegas, but he's known as Crypto is Cash.

And he said that Ron is a fucking retard and he's wrong about everything.

No, no, no, that's not what he said.

That's definitely a friend of yours.

The retard word came out.

No, no, no, let me, let me scroll up here.

Where is it?

We got a bunch of shit here.

But feel free to call me out guys.

I mean, I, what I don't know everything about diesel was definitely not one of my things,

but I did do some research on it.

So yeah, here's what he says actually.

Ron got just about every detail on biodiesel wrong.

The benefit you can make your own fuel, the jelly.

Yes, that happens in cold weather, but it happens with a regular diesel as well.

That's something that.

But there's an ad for regular diesel though.

I'm sure it works in biodiesel.

Why wouldn't it?

I don't know.

Well, that's, and he goes on for a little while.

So I'm not going to go everything.

What I responded was I'll pass the message along, which here I'm doing that.

But maybe, you know, crypto's cash.

Maybe you want to come on the show.

Come on the show.

If you know about it or if you know an expert.

We can zoom in or you can come to my house.

Yep.

So you've already been here once.

Because we want to, we want to talk about this stuff.

We want to get it right and we want to learn more and we're not perfect ourselves.

First of all, what I said was I don't see the benefit to it.

I mean, making your own fuel, getting out, getting away from big oil or big gas.

Yeah, that's cool.

You get less MPGs.

And that's, that was the research that I found.

I mean, even Mythbusters did something on it and they said it's not worth it as well.

So they've got a couple of things wrong too though.

No, no.

Yeah, by all means, educate me.

Because educate the listeners.

Yeah, we'd love to have you on the show and anybody else.

Anybody else wanted.

But I will defend my position.

Yeah, anybody else you want to come on and talk about your area of expertise.

We'd love to have you.

Yeah, we'll interview anybody.

We'll interview our hands.

We're desperate people.

All right.

So as you can see, we've been making some changes to the studio.

We got a bigger TV this time.

Last week I had a TV that's kind of laying around the house and I hung it up thinking

that it should be fine.

It was not.

A little tiny little TV.

Yeah.

So now we have the TV.

Now we can play videos.

So watch this.

We're going to play videos.

I have a very bizarre, I have a very strange question.

Let me get that for you.

Is it an escape?

No, you got to hit, you got to do the F11 both times.

Are you and your fucking little, yeah, there's trickery.

You can probably make your own shortcuts for that.

The fact that people are worried about whether it will be on the street every four weeks

is barbarism.

The fact that every time a person has an agent or a person in their body and is scared.

I don't know.

Well, it's a big in front of the word.

I know what the word means.

It doesn't mean barbers.

I was kind of hoping you'd play dealt with me.

I was trying to find out because they came before the doctor.

But there's only enough room for two dumb people in here and then we got you and AOC.

So I just don't understand why she dislikes barbers for.

Is that the definition of barber?

Well, so there is a famous little known fact.

Well, it can't be famous and little known, but it's a they charge more for women.

And it's a big thing in the feminism crowd.

I think barbers charge more for women's haircuts.

Okay.

So that's why she hates barbers for it.

But it's maybe a different definition than I'm presenting to you.

I don't know.

Oh, okay.

They call it pink tax.

No, I actually thought it was a spin off of barber barbaric.

Yeah.

So I spotted to be off of barbers.

I went to the root order to be a barber.

And I think the root war is actually.

Bet you that those words actually do come from the same root.

Ultimately, I bet you they do.

Okay.

We researched the etymology.

Okay.

Go back here full.

Can I just go here?

No, you can't because Chrome is fucking stupid.

Okay.

So we showed our first video and we put the dumbest person on besides me.

But do you know she's coming to town pretty soon?

Oh, really?

Her and Bernie Sanders are going to go on a tour of all swing states.

Why?

To convince voters to vote for them.

I don't.

It might.

She's the face.

I mean, Vegas has got a lot of stupid people.

She's the face of the Democrat party from here on out.

Oh, God, what a disaster.

Well, so let's actually talk about this because the Democrats, they pulled a fast one last

week.

Okay.

So last week on the show, we were talking about the continuing resolution bill.

And I said that it probably won't pass because they don't have the votes in the Senate.

Rand Paul said no and he did vote no.

And as soon as I got home and started working on the video, I pull up Twitter and sure enough,

Chuck Schumer and nine other Democrats caved in quote marks.

Yeah, he's got something up his sleeve on this one.

Well, they always wanted this bill.

This was a trick.

This was the trick.

They got the Republicans to pass Biden's bill and they're fucking laughing all the way

to the bank.

No.

And not only that, but the Republicans are still gloating.

They're saying Chuck Schumer caved.

We got him.

But why is Nancy Pelosi today doing a video calling him out for voting for that?

It's all a big game.

She's committed to the bit.

Yes, it's a bit.

It's a pro wrestling.

It's the field.

The faces, the faces and the heels, right?

It's all a big fucking and the Republicans are falling for it, man.

I know.

Well, I was going to bring this up later, but we, okay, I'm enjoying what Trump is doing.

I am.

Oh my God.

We're doing a show, people.

I'm their callback.

I'm enjoying what Trump is doing.

I'm indefinitely doing what Musk is doing.

Cash Patel kind of stepping up.

He arrested FBI agent tonight.

The one that went after Giuliani.

So that's something.

And he's been to another stuff as well.

Pam Bondi is doing a little bit of stuff on the gun issue.

Nope, nope.

On the gun issue.

She releases the FBI.

I get it, but on the gun issue.

She's been notoriously bad on guns and she came out and did something good.

Okay.

We'll give her credit for that.

But here's the thing.

Trump is making some changes and he's fighting it in court with some judges, which I'll get

into that in a second as well.

But if we don't change Congress, we're going back to this, guys.

All the changes he's making.

Here's the real problem.

Trump himself wants to sign this bill.

Because I said earlier on when we were talking about it, like Trump, you got to veto this

shit.

This is bullshit.

And Massey is the guy who was loud and proud about it, voting no.

And Rand Paul came out and voted no.

And Trump is shitting on them for it.

Yeah, I know.

I gotta get this.

And yeah, Trump is just shitting on Massey and Rand Paul and saying, we get a primary

vote.

And like, Trump, your team fucked up.

These are the rhinos going against you with the Democrats.

You got to veto this fucking CR.

It's bullshit.

It increases the spending.

It undoes everything that you and Elon are trying to do.

Well, in his defense, he has an omnibus bill where he wants to bust through there, which

I'm against them.

But he says this is the one that we're going to fight.

Well, I don't think Congress is going to fight at all.

But we'll see.

Yeah.

I mean, it is terrible.

The fact that Schumer backs you, Trump, something's wrong.

Yeah.

Well, here's the thing.

Like I mentioned it earlier, but Republicans are not Republicans, but the cult on Twitter

are boasting.

We made Schumer cave.

No you fucking didn't.

He fucking out.

Where did you mobs?

Out.

What do we do?

Tickling?

You did nothing.

Did we tie his shoes together where he was sitting?

Give me a fucking break.

Well, like he didn't fucking cave.

He had this plan, not him.

Okay.

He didn't, he didn't have this thing.

Someone had this plan from the start and said, here's how much you're going to do it.

You go, go play your roles.

This is what you do.

And they did it.

Now, like I always say nobody has a plan.

You know, I always go with that.

This was fucking planned.

Yeah.

And I mean, if you notice the left narrative is shifting right now.

They're now bringing the media back to their side.

You've got Jimmy Kimball.

You've got the Daily Show.

It wasn't John Stewart, but it was somebody else.

And as Stephen Colbert, they're, they're mocking Elon Musk for what he's doing.

And this is going to be the new directive.

The politicians are going to start saying this.

This is what the Democrats do.

Pay the fucking attention.

Speaking of Tim.

Speaking of Tim Walls, I have a message for him.

That's the answer.

Yeah.

Go over.

There we go.

There we go.

There we go.

I think I can get most of their ass.

I do.

I know I can.

I don't know if we're going to fall into that place where we want to, okay, we challenge

you to do a, you know, a WWE fight.

Okay.

Good enough.

I'm your Huckleberry bitch.

I live in Vegas.

Come to Vegas.

I'll fight you.

We'll sign the paperwork.

You're going to sign a waiver.

What is he fucking talking about?

He's coming back out now.

So he's questioning why we made fun of his masculinity, why we called him gay.

He was a pretty long podcast and he's like, you know, they say that I wasn't a man.

I'm more of a man than Trump in here.

Trump advances.

Everyone's like, what the fuck is this idiot talking about?

So now they're bringing this guy back out again.

Holy shit, man.

What is it?

Like, what is it?

He's trying so hard, like with the shotgun and the fixing trucks and now like I'm going

to kick their ass.

What are you talking about?

Like we can see you.

You're not kicking me with ass.

He's like, I'm not gay.

I'm like, oh wait, actually, I want to go back to that video.

There's something else I want to.

I closed this.

Oh, did you?

Yeah.

We're going to find it again.

It's on top of X.

I got it back to the UFC.

Stop.

All right.

You're going to bite me.

So yeah, it was something else.

I've been there.

There was two problems here.

What do we look at?

I think I can kick most of their ass.

I do.

What's this fucking guy?

This is another example of the Democrats don't understand the internet.

I don't even know.

You want to see this chuck one?

No, no, no, no, no, no.

This is this ass.

Watch his hands.

Someone today called him.

He's milking a cow thing.

He's doing something like this.

Maybe it's not this video.

Dammit.

I was hoping for the same video, but yeah, he's doing something weird with his hands.

Maybe it's a different part of that podcast because I know you watched the whole thing.

I know you're into that.

Oh, yeah.

I'm a Newsome fan.

Get out of here.

You fucking, okay.

I need to bring another milestone or something.

So it'll technically go glitches on our first day with this, but hey, we're going to get

there anyway.

Yeah, no, he was just doing something weird with his hands.

I guess that you brought the Chuck Schumer one.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's good.

The Democrats just don't get what memes are and what everything else is.

Look at this fucking guy.

Well, we don't have a president.

Two dicks.

That's like, yeah, what is he?

Senate in the house in the governors.

We have a great bench.

Somebody added that please.

Yeah, please.

Somebody put a dick in his hand.

And there was one I posted the house in the gut where he was yelling about it.

Fucking, uh, they want to keep their money.

And like I said, you know, if any of you guys can edit that and like put a purple robe on

him and a crown and a septum in his hand, because like if you think about it, that's

what a king is.

Right.

That's my money, not yours.

I mean, they have people to train you not to do this when you're a politician.

I think he's just too old and they have trainers.

They don't have a fucking sign next to your face.

Oh, my God.

And then Newsom with his podcast, I mean, he thinks he's going to turn people around

with this.

Now, I got a question.

This is this has been a debate on a couple of different podcasts.

Should you should a right wing podcast go on Newsom's podcast?

I don't care.

Who cares?

Well, Charlie Kirk did.

Yeah, I saw it.

And everyone was criticizing him.

Why are we giving him fuel?

He's dead.

He's done.

Kill him.

But you kick the corpse.

You spit on the corpse.

You do.

We'll feed him.

No.

I don't know.

So like, here's the thing.

Now, Charlie Kirk is pretty retarded.

So maybe that argument works on him.

But if we had like Dave Smith go on that show, he would rip Gavin Newsom to shreds.

Oh, you ever?

Oh, I should look.

So like, what do you mean?

There's no benefit, right?

Like, we make them look bad.

You should have seen that.

I should have found this clip from years ago.

He went on the Adam Carolla podcast.

Yeah.

And Adam Carolla destroyed him.

Who, Gavin Newsom or?

You gotta have Newsom.

Oh, yeah.

Adam Carolla destroyed him.

Yeah, yeah.

He, he set a trap for him.

Yeah.

And that motherfucker walked right into it.

He's like, well, basically they were talking about like ID and checking accounts for, for

minorities and immigrants.

He's like, and then Adam Carolla goes, what, you don't think they can get, you think they're

too stupid to get him?

Yeah.

And he just, he dissected him and it was great.

But yeah.

So like, yeah, Adam Carolla is smart enough where he can, where he can do that.

Charlie Kirk, like he's, yes, he's good at destroying dumb ass college students because

they're dumb ass college students.

You're fucking fishing a barrel over here.

But he's like roughly equally matched with Newsom, I'd say, because they're both pretty

fucking stupid.

But if you get someone that knows they're a shit, yeah, go on there.

Of course, go on there.

Get, get a fucking trick in between inviting Dave Smith on there.

I want to see that.

But there you go.

Let's start campaign, everybody.

Put me on there.

Fuck.

No, let's get Dave Smith on there.

I'm gonna be very hard headed and, I'll plan.

I'll plan for it.

It'll be educational.

Well, that's the thing.

If he watches us and sees how I talk and like invites me on thinking that I don't know what

the fucking fucking way it's gonna be like, yeah, I'll be prepared.

Okay.

Wow.

So I'm gonna get back to Congress though.

So, and these judges we have, we have a major, major drug, drug, the judge problem.

We literally had immigrants on a plane flying to El Salvador, which you've seen that video

that's fucking awesome.

Turn that plane around right now.

Well, here's the problem with that.

How do we know that those people are criminal immigrants?

Because right at this point now that we would have somebody would have sussed that out.

That's not an argument.

Like you can't, you can't put someone on a plane and then put them in a prison in El

Salvador and then say, well, if they were innocent, somebody would have done something

by now.

No, that's retarded.

You know, they could put you on the plane, right?

What stops them from putting you on the plane?

Okay, whoopee.

So you and whoopee agree on something?

I don't know what the fuck she said.

I don't know.

She said the exact, it's almost like you watched her video and you wrote it down.

No, this is my own brain coming up with reality.

So you and whoopee had the same thought?

Wow.

I mean, I'm sure someone told her to have that thought like she didn't call it.

But no, like think about it.

If they just, because they're picking up people because they have tattoos, right?

So if they're walking down the street and you have a tattoo and they say, oh, that's

a, that's a trained aegua, whatever the fuck it is.

There's face tattoos and there's certain tattoos they're looking for that these gang

members can get.

Yeah, but anyone can get a face tattoo.

It's not illegal to have a tattoo.

But it's not any face tattoo.

Like if you have a tattoo.

It's not illegal to have a specific face tattoo.

But if it represents a gang and it's not like they're citizens here.

How do you know that?

They would assume they'd have some kind of paperwork like a driver's license.

I can walk down the street without any kind of paperwork.

This is not Nazi Germany.

What are you talking about?

I agree, but we have to get them out.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

I am.

The lawyers have due process, which determines whether or not they are what they are accused

of.

And then if they are, then you can kick them on the plane.

Wait, didn't we have this conversation and you were saying that they don't have their

civil rights?

No, what the fuck did I say that?

I'm trying to think if that's what you said or not.

Why would I ever say that?

Well, because I asked a direct question.

I said, of course they have rights.

Okay.

Watch the fucking show, dude.

Well, this one was a while.

It was like three weeks ago.

I remember the exact question.

No, no, there was this.

You had this gotcha thing planned for me and you're like, do they have rights?

And I'm like, yeah, of course they do.

And you're like, oh, I guess we have nothing to talk about.

Well, no, I agree.

I agree to do that.

Right.

Okay, so what was that?

But now you think they don't.

If I set a trap, you're going to fall into it.

But now you think they don't have.

You have no civil being in that trap.

But now you think they don't have rights.

No, it's, well, I want the criminals out.

But you don't know who those people are unless they have a trial.

If they're not American citizens, they broke the law.

They still get a trial.

Well, we'll see.

This is retarded.

Yeah, no, I want them out.

But you don't know that those are the right guys.

Oh, well, I'm assuming there's some checks and balances.

But there's not.

That's the whole point.

That's exactly what the problem is.

You know the process they're going through.

Yes, they picked them up.

They throw them in a van and they put them on a plane.

I think there might have been a day or two gap between that.

Dude, there's no, there's nothing.

There's no, if they had due process, there would be a public trial that we can go look

at an audit.

That's the whole point of the system.

You want to house these people in a jail?

I don't want to house them in jail.

Well, you can't let them go.

You could pay for it if you want them gone that bad.

I'm good with what already happened.

You don't want to feel about this.

You on a plane.

Okay.

Sure they can.

What stops them from doing that?

They better not shave my head.

It shaved my beard off.

This is fucking stupid.

You don't, that guy could be like your buddy that works at the taco stand for all you know.

You don't know.

Okay, if they're illegals, I'm okay with it.

You don't know that they're illegal.

I'm sure they'll have some way of, okay.

No, they don't.

They don't care.

I've got, I work with people at work that were born in other countries and we had that

ice raid.

Yeah.

And I said, you guys, do you guys have a way to prove that where you're born at?

And one guy's like, yeah, I got my birth certificate, my car.

One guy's like, yeah, I got this on my phone.

They all had proof.

But what if they didn't?

Well, if you, if you were not born here, you, I, if you,

There's no legal requirement to carry papers on you.

And I agree with that.

I was actually shocked they had.

What are you talking about?

I asked them if they had it because if they didn't, I was going to get the fuck out of

here.

But, um, but now you're saying you want them on the plane.

Like you're not addicted to yourself.

I don't want them.

I don't want my coworkers on the plane.

That's my point.

They can go pick up your coworkers.

Again, I'm sure that there's a lot more traction.

There's not.

How do you know?

Because that's why we have this system of courts and trials and shit.

That's what that system is.

So when you go beyond that system, you're just doing whatever the fuck you want.

If you're being a tyrant.

Okay.

So everybody who comes across that border, even steps a foot over it.

They got to go, they got to go to jail and wait for a court case.

Why?

Why bother?

What do you do with them?

Leave them alone.

You want the immigrants here.

They're not committing any real crimes.

There's no victim.

Um, well, there, there is.

In some cases.

No, there's no victim.

If there's a, if there's a crime where they attack somebody, then you take that person

and you give them a trial like you have to do for everybody else.

You're an open borders guy.

I am not.

Right.

You believe that someone should stand there and attack people for walking?

No.

I say you don't cross into our country.

We won't cross into yours.

Why?

I don't, I don't because.

Why do you care?

They are not hurting you.

We can be taken over.

Who is we?

What are you fucking talking about?

Our country can be.

No, they can't.

To the voting system.

Dude, they're not voting.

New York is a lot, allows immigrants to vote.

You are a fucking no, it doesn't.

Yes.

It doesn't.

Local elections.

The story broke today.

Okay.

So, but local elections.

So would a governorship be local?

Yes.

Okay.

So they can start going up to the governors.

So what?

And then they could.

So don't move in, don't deliver that state.

Okay.

We can move on because I'm a close border guy.

Because you're an idiot.

Nope.

Because you're not a libertarian.

You're less libertarian than Chase Oliver.

Yeah.

Okay.

Just because you are an anarchist, which is kind of funny because you guys are going

to get kicked out of the libertarian party right now.

It sounds like two because you guys are, you guys come up with this pompous attitude.

Well, we're big L and you're small L, which whatever, but one, you guys are all scattering

into the wind and delivering the libertarian party goes.

Who gives the fuck about the party?

Why are you bringing up the party?

Okay.

Then what is libertarianism?

The desire for freedom.

Okay.

So, so our national party, why are you a libertarian if there's a national party?

Because we had the word before the party formed.

But when did you have the word?

We had the word since like the 1920s or something.

Who did?

Libertarians.

The libertarian party started in the 1970s.

It's a philosophy, you dumbass.

It's a political party.

No, it's a philosophy.

It's a political party.

No, it's not.

In 1970, it became a political party.

It's a political party that formed around the philosophy.

The philosophy was first.

Okay.

And they, and they, so libertarian, the party does not have a monopoly on the word.

So the people that had that philosophy before 1970, they decided to join, to create their

own party, to try to run people for office and to show the country.

And then Retards took that party over.

Yeah.

You guys did that like two years ago, right?

Well, no, Retards took it over.

Two years ago, right?

Shut up and listen.

Retards took it over in, I want to say, mid 2000s.

And then we took it back.

And you guys fucked it up?

No, we didn't.

The fuck you didn't?

You got Chase Oliver.

The people that took it over in the mid 2000s aren't going to give it up without a fight.

That's what, that's what you saw.

Oh, so they took it back from you guys?

They didn't take it back.

What, what, they don't have it.

Who was in, okay, so if you don't know, it's Amicus Caucus.

I don't use this.

Meases Caucus.

I don't get into sub parties.

I don't give a fuck.

What's the other one called?

What do they call them?

They don't have, they don't have a faction.

Oh, so they're just real libertarians.

You guys, you guys had to do a sub party.

They're just assholes.

You guys did a sub party.

Cool.

What are you talking?

You're diverting away from the topic, which is freedom, which is what borders, borders

are anti-freedom.

Okay.

Can you tell, okay, can you get in your car right now and drive to Utah?

Yes.

Is anyone going to stop you at the border?

Why?

Why should you be allowed to go into Utah?

Because we are a country.

No, we're not a country.

Yes, we are.

But where does it say that?

Well, we can say what?

Where does it say we are a country?

Well, United States of America.

Where does it say we are a country?

So technically, I guess we're a republic.

But I'm going more with you have free travel throughout the country.

But where does it say that we are?

Why?

That's how it's worded.

You have free travel throughout the country.

Where does it say that?

It's the...

Where does it say any of that?

I'll look it up because it doesn't say yes.

Yes, it does.

No, it doesn't.

Okay.

So why is it New York and California abroad?

Why is Nevada putting up fence to keep the Californians out?

Because that's part of the agreement when you join the union of sovereign states.

You wanted the union worded in their first country.

But it's not a country.

There's no country here.

Okay.

Okay.

So when you talk about the border between Utah and Nevada, those entities have agreed

we're not...

We're going to be on the borders.

Well, no.

So technically, they have no right to stop me.

Well, they...

No, go ahead.

Keep going.

They have no right to stop me.

That's my point.

Okay.

No, why do they have no right to stop me?

Because nobody has a right to stop you.

No, why do they have no right to stop me?

Because nobody has a right to stop you.

Okay.

Legally, why do they have no right to stop me?

I don't give a fuck about legal.

That's all magic and ritual.

No, no, we're going to get...

I'm trying to go down a road.

You might be trying to go down a road.

But your road is wrong.

I pay federal income tax.

So what?

My federal income tax...

That has nothing to do with it.

Just try to cross this country.

The borders were open between states before there was an income tax.

Okay.

Income...

So why are you bringing up income tax?

Okay.

It's irrelevant.

It's irrelevant.

Our money is split between our state and our country.

We don't have a country.

There is no country.

The union...

Stop using this word.

Oh, the union.

So...

Does that think you feel better?

It's important because a country is a sovereign entity that gets to tell you what to do.

We do not have that.

Okay.

I'm not going to get semantics on you.

The common vernacular is we are a country.

You want to say we are a union?

People...

That's fine.

That's propaganda.

That's propaganda is the way you think.

Right.

And it makes you think that the country can block Mexicans and Canadians.

So what year did we start taking money from our citizens?

19...

We've always taken money.

Okay.

Just in different forms.

Okay.

So when you pay taxes in any form you want, does the federal government get any of those...

Any of your...

Yes.

Okay.

So if the federal government gets that money, that means I own...

I own...

No, it doesn't.

I own the right for free travel.

Yes, it does.

No, it doesn't.

It's part of my property.

Okay.

That means they're your fucking king and you're the servant and you get on your knees and

suck their dick.

So do you pay taxes?

I'm not answering that question.

So you suck their dick?

Because you...

So do you.

We pay taxes because that's what we do.

That's what we...

We pay taxes because they lock us in a fucking cage if we don't.

Okay.

You like going to that route and that's fine.

Because that's the reality.

If they didn't...

So you're a hypocrite.

If Trump came out today...

If you're a hypocrite, we can move on.

If Trump came out today and says, we're not going to punish anyone for a tax evasion anymore.

Would you pay taxes?

No.

No, exactly.

No, I'm not.

You only pay them because you get punished for it for not paying.

So there's nothing to do with anything.

Freedom means I can walk from place A to place B and you have no right to stop.

Okay.

So if you're walking down the street on the sidewalk and a cop stops you and asks for

your ID, what would you say?

Keep walking.

Okay.

Why do you have that right to?

Because it's your right as a human being.

Because it's public...

Because you were born with rights.

Okay.

If you're on private property...

Where do rights come from?

God.

Okay.

So if God gives you your rights, are Mexicans have rights?

But hold on a second.

No.

Right?

No.

What do you mean?

So God only gave you rights in America?

Sure.

How does that make any sense?

It's the union in which you belong to.

But no, either God gives rights or the government gives rights.

Which one is it?

Okay.

Right, the rights are God given.

Okay.

That's the next question.

Where?

No.

If you're on private property and you're walking along and then the security comes, hey, what

are you doing here?

What do you do?

I don't answer questions.

And they drag you off and put you back on the ground.

They can't drag me off.

You weren't dragged to other casino?

No.

You didn't get the wheelchair treatment?

No.

They can't do that.

You know what the wheelchair treatment is, right?

I don't want to know.

They put you in a wheelchair and put you to this strength.

They can't do that.

But yet they do.

But they can trespass you, right?

Yes.

Okay.

So they can kick you off.

Okay.

They can turn it that way.

Can you be trespassed on public property?

No.

Why not?

It doesn't matter why.

No, no.

You know the answer I'm looking for.

Because you own it.

Okay.

So what is public property?

Is it sidewalk public property?

Yes.

Then Mexicans cannot be trespassed on public property.

Hold on.

Hold on.

I'm getting there.

There's no hold on.

You just said rights come from God and you have a right to be on public property.

Because we pay for that.

So God gave Mexico...

No.

Either God gives you or something else.

It can't be both.

We pay for the wrong.

Not everybody pays taxes.

We pay for the right...

Not everybody pays taxes.

We pay for the right...

Run.

Not everybody pays taxes.

I don't give a shit.

But they still have the right to be there.

Who doesn't pay taxes?

Poor people.

Homeless people.

So they don't go buy a soda at the gas station?

Dude, that's not federal income tax.

You don't think that's...

That's not federal tax.

So there's no federal tax in the sales tax?

No.

There's no federal...

No.

Why are you so fucking dumb?

You don't know this.

I thought there was a federal...

There's not.

I thought they got their tears in the sales tax.

You're being absolutely fucking retarded.

I don't know.

And when a Mexican crosses over and buys a soda, they're paying the same fucking tax.

But they broke the law to do that.

Who gives a fuck?

The law is not...

It's just some man's opinion.

No, it's...

Some dickhead wrote it on the paper.

Oh, you can't cross this line.

And you...

Because I'm important.

I'm in Congress.

I'm the magic man who makes the law.

And you abide by all.

That's something without paper.

I don't answer questions like that.

You...

I know you abide by it.

I don't answer questions like that.

Okay.

I'm not going to keep this going.

We're not ever going to agree.

You're just retarded.

I'm not going to give you the answer that you're wrong.

Right, because you're retarded.

And I'm right.

Because you're retarded.

Okay.

You're just retarded.

When the name calling starts, that's when he loses.

No, you're just retarded.

If that's your answer, that's your answer.

You're just retarded.

I just went over with you that you agreed that rights come from God and Mexicans are

born so they have rights and they have the right to walk on public property.

What is the right from God?

What do you think I mean by that?

You just have it by being born.

By being born.

Yes.

Being born in a certain piece of land.

No, being born.

Just period being born.

So, okay.

So you can go to Russia right now.

What does that have to do with anything?

Russia violates my rights.

So what?

Make a fucking argument.

You can go to Germany.

Germany violates my rights.

What?

Make an argument.

What rights do they violate?

Because I have the right to go anywhere the fuck I want.

No, you don't.

Yes, I do.

I have the right.

I have the right.

You do not have the right.

They violate my rights, Ron.

My making you show your rights.

Yes.

That's the violation of my rights.

In your opinion.

No, in reality, because as you said, God gives me my rights.

God created the earth.

When God created the earth, he didn't draw fucking lines that said, here's where the

white people go and here's where the Asian people go and here's where the black people

go.

He didn't do that.

Don't do what the media does.

Don't bring race into this, okay?

He didn't say Canadians either.

He didn't say fucking Canadians.

You're the one that chose brown people and black people.

He didn't draw any fucking lines when he created the earth, Ron, so anybody can walk where

the fuck they want.

So you believe in God?

No, I don't.

You used it up.

You brought it up.

It's a common vernacular used in this country that our rights are God given.

Okay.

And that's why I use that.

But actually, that's not what they said.

But I tried to explain what that means.

I did.

In your opinion.

I did.

We have them by virtue of being born.

Okay.

And then it doesn't matter.

The countries were set up.

Rights were.

Who the fuck has the right to set up a country?

Where is that in your rights?

Okay.

How are countries set up?

I don't care.

Answer the question.

No, no, no, no.

Ron, answer the question.

How are countries set up?

Answer the question, Ron.

What's your question?

Who has the right to set up a country?

Right.

Who?

Okay.

Who?

Tell me who.

The people that buy it.

No, they don't.

Why not?

If you don't have the right to set it up, Ron, if I don't have the right and you don't

have the right, then you plus me doesn't have the right.

You can go buy your own piece of jungle land.

Okay.

That's not a country.

No, hold on.

Nobody recognized that in a country.

You have advocated since the day I met you, you don't want public property.

You want people to be in by-property property.

So this is what they did.

They bought or traded for the country.

That's not what they did.

No.

What did they do then?

That's not what they did.

What did they do?

They just attacked people who disagree with them.

They beat the shit out of people.

They killed them.

There was a lot of purchases and barters to get the land.

Ron, they just kill people.

And then they re-bought.

Ron, shut up and let me finish your fucking sentence.

Oh, Jesus, here we go again.

They simply kill people who don't obey them.

No.

That's all they do.

They bought or traded for the land.

No, they don't run.

Ron, who is they?

Who the fuck is they?

Whoever.

Lewis and Clark.

No, they didn't.

They actually worked for somebody else, but they didn't.

But they didn't.

But they didn't.

They bought land.

Then they owned that little piece of land.

Okay, that's pretty big territory.

No, it isn't.

No, it fucking isn't.

Other people did the same thing.

Okay, then other people owned those little pieces of land.

So you're now against private property rights?

No, I'm not.

Why not?

What?

You just described, shut up and listen.

You answered.

Stop fucking yelling shit.

Ron, you asked me a question.

Let me fucking answer it.

You did answer it.

No, you started talking over me the second I began.

Okay.

Jesus fucking Christ.

You said we all buy these little plots of land and that's our land.

That's not a fucking country.

That's each individual owning a plot of land.

Okay.

So what are you talking about country?

There's no such thing as a country.

So you buy a plot of land.

Okay.

And you're in no country, no state.

Okay.

Somebody comes to you and goes, hey, we've got 20 houses and we want to form a county.

No.

Okay.

I'm not interested.

Leave me alone.

We voted.

You've been out voted.

We're now.

I don't care about your votes.

You cannot, you don't have the right to force me to join your little club.

But the people around you do.

No, they don't.

Okay.

I'm telling you.

I don't care what club you're in.

You don't have the right to force me to join it.

That's where you're missing the disconnect.

You cannot form a country.

And you can still do what you want on your property.

Dude, what's your property?

Okay.

I want Mexicans to come through my property.

Leave me alone.

Then get a helicopter and fly them in.

No.

Why not?

Because they're going to walk.

No.

Because they have the right to walk.

No.

Not on other people's property.

They're not on other people's property.

Yes, they are.

No, they're not.

They're walking on what you call public property.

Oh, they absolutely are not.

Yes, they fucking are, Ron.

So you think there's public property?

They're walking on a sidewalk and ICE comes and picks them up and says,

You can't be here.

No, I'm talking about at the border.

It's all public.

No, we're talking about open border.

Ron, can I walk up to the border and ask for permission to go into Mexico?

Can I do that without any cop stopping me?

No.

Other than the Mexican border?

I mean, yeah, Mexicans don't talk about it.

Right, so I can get in my car and I can drive straight to the Mexican border.

Yeah.

On a public road.

Uh-huh.

And nobody can stop me unless I break a law, right?

Yeah.

So then why can't a Mexican use that same public road?

It's all public.

It's not private.

You just said it's all private, but it's not.

It's a public road.

Let me answer the question.

So the people that bought that land and paid for that road.

It's a public road.

No, listen, listen.

The people that bought that land.

There's no such people.

Listen.

Okay, do I have to yell, go, you retarded?

There's no such people.

The people that bought that land here and people,

another people bought this land here.

So you have land bought here and land bought here.

And this one, the county actually bought.

The citizens of this country paid for this road.

Over here, they did not pay for it.

So if you're open borders, you're not for private property rights.

No.

You're not for private property rights.

You just agreed that the entire stretch of road going to Mexico is public.

Yes.

So anybody can walk on that public road.

So they hit that line and it's no longer public.

And that would be Mexico.

What line?

Uh, the border.

I don't care what they do in Mexico.

Okay.

These people are trying to leave Mexico.

Okay.

So they, but they, there's a line drawn and the private,

even though it's public property, it's still private.

It's purchased by the American.

No, it's not.

How the fuck do you think they buy public property?

Because they steal from us, Ron.

That's illegitimate.

Okay.

You're going down in a little tangent.

Ron, you want to call it public.

What is it right now?

So it's public.

That's, that's no, what is it right now?

It's public.

Right.

And it's public because the citizens.

It's public because it's just is because it's not private.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, listen.

Okay.

So you have a border here with the Mexico, you have a border here by Canada.

The people within this border have paid for the land and the roads on that land.

No, they haven't paid for it.

They got stolen from.

Sure.

When somebody steals from you and uses that money to buy lunch, you didn't pay for their

lunch.

You got stolen from.

But you pay the taxes.

I got stolen from.

No, you willingly gave it up.

No, I didn't.

Yes, you did.

No, I didn't run.

I got stolen from you and said, give me your money.

You're not willing to give it up.

It's my physical point.

I got it for your taxes.

Ron, you know how that, why are you playing games?

You know I work.

You're the one playing games.

If I don't pay, they will point guns at me and you know it.

Okay.

Don't be retarded.

But you gave it up before that.

You didn't wait for the point guns.

Stop being retarded.

Stop trying to change the subject.

I'm talking about private property rights.

But you're not.

You're talking about how taxes work.

You are.

You're the one.

Well, I'm Mexican and walk on public property.

Why not?

No, we can't.

He has rights from God.

No, to his line.

No, there's no fucking lines.

God did not draw lines.

We're never going to agree on this.

Because you're retarded.

You don't fucking want to learn.

The people of America.

You don't want to think.

You don't want to have freedom.

You want to control other people.

This is why the libertarian party wants you guys out.

Because we want freedom?

No, this is not freedom.

This is insanity.

What do you mean it's not freedom?

It's not freedom to leave people alone, to walk where the fuck they want, when you can

walk to Utah, all the fuck you want.

People have, the property is purchased by the people.

No, it's not.

No, it fucking isn't, Ron.

Get this out of your fucking head.

It's not that you signed an agreement to purchase that fucking road.

They stole your money and they said, we're going to build a road here, whether you like

it or not.

But you could use the road.

It really bothers me that you keep saying they stole your money.

I agree with you, don't get me wrong.

But you give it up willingly.

How does HIPAA work?

This is not how the fast works.

No, if I ask you for a HIPAA question, you don't have to answer.

I can't answer any questions.

But I'm allowed to ask.

And if you answer that question, that's on you.

What are you talking about?

So if you pay taxes, if they send you a bill, you're allowed to ask, what does that mean?

The HIPAA law states that you're allowed to ask.

Why do you give a fuck what some man wrote on paper?

I'm trying to use it as an example.

Ron, why do you care what some man on paper allows you to do?

Okay.

Why don't you have freedom?

Why don't you want freedom?

Why don't you want freedom?

I do want freedom.

Why don't you have freedom?

Because there's a country, or not, okay.

Take a nap as a win.

Because there's this whole country, for lack of a better word, of fucking morons.

Ron, let me fucking answer please.

Please let me fucking answer.

There's this whole fucking country of morons that agree that the government is the master.

And you all fucking let them do this.

You let them get away with it.

You let them write HIPAA laws.

You let them steal our money.

You let them write laws about fishing and game and all this other bullshit.

And you say, anyone who disobeys is a bad guy.

And we're going to make sure you get caught and punished.

So, no matter how they obtain this property.

They didn't obtain it.

We need to move forward because we're stuck in a rut right now.

So then change your fucking dumbass mind.

Open up your mind and listen to me.

I have a run.

You are repeating what every third grade kid gets.

Yeah.

I am gone beyond that.

So who's more likely to need to open their fucking mind?

The guy who's repeating what he learned in third grade?

Or the person who thinks for himself?

The person who's wrong.

You're wrong, Ron.

Okay, so you're-

Freedom is for everybody.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is, Ron.

No, it's not.

You said God gives us our rights.

Right.

And then within those rights, you have boundaries.

No, you don't.

We voted on it.

We-

There's no- you can't vote.

There's no such thing as voting on it.

You can't vote for something that no individual can do.

Do you pay for property in Mexico?

Ron, okay, pretend-

Do you pay for property in Mexico?

Pretend we live in a world with no government.

You will be answering your question.

No, I won't.

That's hypothetical.

We can't even get the reality.

Pretend you live in a world with no government.

Do you have the right to stop somebody from walking where they want to walk?

It was on my property.

You don't have property.

There's no government.

I'm not a full-resurient.

We're just hanging out in a caveman world, and maybe you have your little cave.

They're not walking in your cave.

They're walking somewhere across the field.

Do you have the right to stop them?

No.

Then how could you ever gain that right?

Okay, it's called borders.

They were set up.

No, I'm asking you.

How can you gain that right?

It's a hypothetical situation.

We can't even get past reality.

Ron, just answer the question.

I can't bring it up.

Fucking fucks.

Just answer the question.

I don't care where he walks.

Then why do you care where he walks now?

Because we have set up a company.

No, we have not done anything.

Other people have done this to you.

You are one of their victims.

As you are.

Yes, I am.

But I can admit it and say it, but you can't.

I do nothing about it.

I'm trying to do something about it, but people that claim they're on my side won't even listen.

Maybe you should move.

You're too busy trying to attack Mexican people for crossing the line.

I've been very clear.

I don't have a problem Mexicans being in this country.

Venezuelan people, Cuban people, whoever the fuck it doesn't matter.

Why are you trying to attack them for merely crossing the fucking line?

Mind your own business.

Who fucking cares if they're not hurting anyone?

Fuck off.

So who takes care of these people?

They take care of themselves.

They absolutely do not prove that.

Prove it.

Do you take care of them?

Prove it.

Yes, I do.

How?

Texas.

Oh, so the government steals from you?

Yeah, you can keep using this logic.

Ron, Ron.

It's still my money.

Is it still my money?

Did the Cuban guy take your money?

No.

Who took your money?

The Cuban guy took your money.

Then fight the government.

Then fight the government.

I don't have a problem with that.

Leave the Cuban guy alone.

If he is getting serviced.

Leave him alone.

Go ahead and serviced.

Attack the real enemy.

Okay.

Well, we are trying.

I guess in this case we are trying to, that's why we're running for office.

We're talking about that.

Okay, but then stop worrying about the Cuban guy.

But how about you dealing with reality right now?

I am.

No, you're not.

Yes, I am.

You're in reality.

I am.

So the Cuban guy is using my tax money.

No, the government stole your tax money.

Once they steal it, you don't get a say anymore.

You need to understand this.

Once you take your money, you don't get a say.

It's their stolen goods.

And if you don't go take it back, they're going to do whatever the fuck they want, whether

that's funding Cuban in Venezuela or whether it's bombing people in Yemen, whatever they

want.

So you are for USAIDs giving all that money to other people?

No.

Why not?

Because I want my money back.

I want them to stop taking my money.

The Cuban guy can have it.

No, he can't have it.

I don't want him to have it.

You, is that was your whole premise to your argument?

No, it's not.

You fucking moron.

Oh my God.

I want you to just leave him alone.

I want you to fight the government.

So then leave USAID alone and let them send your money everywhere they want.

Run, USAID, let's say the people who work for USAID, they can do whatever the fuck they

want on their own time.

I do leave them alone.

But I want to stop the government from taking my money and giving it to them.

When I say USAID, I mean the company, not the actual workers.

Well, there is no company.

It's an NGO.

There's only people, Ron.

Stop imagining there's these magical things that aren't people.

It's all people.

Okay, sure.

We're just going with people.

Some people steal from you and give it to other people.

So let me get this straight.

So the Cuban guy can get all the free services he wants.

I don't want him to get free services.

The USAID, the Anastasia, you need that money.

I don't want the Cuban guy to get free fucking tax paid services.

You want him to come over here and die of starvation.

He can fucking get a job, Ron.

What are you talking about?

No, he can't.

Why?

He's not a citizen.

So what?

What does it have to do with getting a job?

Getting a job means, hey, buddy, you want to work for me?

I'll pay you.

Okay, sure.

Why do you need to be a citizen to engage in that?

What world do you live in?

Ron, why can't he get a job?

Why can't he work?

Because inside these lines that have been drawn by man that we've paid our taxes to to build

up, he cannot work in this country unless he has to.

Give a real fucking reason, Ron.

Do you have a right to tell him he can't work?

No, I hope he would get a job.

Then nobody has a right to tell him he can't work.

The US government unfortunately not.

No, that's just people.

Ron, if you're a person and you don't have the right, then the government who are just

people don't have that right.

Why can't you just argue in reality?

Ron.

Quit being hypothetical.

Quit saying they're stealing your money.

Why can't you help change reality?

Stop accepting.

We can't.

But I can't even get you to calm down enough to try to get a plan to change reality.

You have to accept reality.

You don't want to change it.

You like it the way it is.

You like people getting stuffed on planes and sent into prisons.

You won't even accept reality.

So how are you going to change reality?

What are you talking about, Ron?

I can explain exactly how it is.

Do you pay taxes?

And I want it to be different, Ron.

Do you pay taxes?

No, no, no.

Because you think, Ron, your stupid ass thinks that I don't understand the way the laws

work.

You wouldn't.

I understand them perfectly.

But you won't accept it.

They are wrong.

Okay.

So help change.

You like them.

Okay.

You cannot agree when you're living in fantasy, Dan.

Stop saying you like these laws, Ron.

I think you have to accept them.

Stop saying you like these laws.

I will accept what I cannot change.

Stop saying you like them.

Well, there are laws that I like.

I'm not happy with you.

Stop saying you like these laws.

I never said I like paying taxes.

Yes, you did.

You said you like keeping the people out from the border.

Oh, okay.

You said you like taking people out that haven't committed any crime and putting them in prison.

Putting them on a plane and putting them in a prison.

So you don't like the forefathers?

What they constructed here?

What do you think they constructed?

They were against the illegal immigrants couple.

No, they weren't.

Yeah, they were.

Ron.

Look at their writing.

Ron, please listen to me, Ron.

Listen very closely.

How can I listen?

I cannot listen to you.

Ron, if you read the Declaration of Independence, it listed grievances against King George.

And one of those grievances were anti-immigration laws.

You fucking lose.

The founders did not oppose immigration.

There's nothing in the Constitution that says they can stop immigration.

They didn't write any laws against immigration.

If you read their writings after the Constitution, they were clearly against immigration.

No, they weren't.

No, they weren't, Ron.

You can't find one sickle fucking writing by any of them that says that, Ron.

It was either Thomas Jefferson or Franklin.

No, it wasn't, Ron.

No, it wasn't.

It absolutely wasn't.

You're talking out your ass.

The first anti-immigration laws were in the late 1800s.

Again.

You don't know what you're talking about.

When did I say law?

I said their writings after they wrote the Constitution.

Where did you get law from that?

If they believed it, why didn't they make laws about it?

I think they did what was best for the country.

No, they didn't, Ron.

No, they didn't.

There was no anti-immigration laws for like 100 years of this country.

Country in quotes.

I hate using the word, but there's no better word at the moment for the argument.

Right, but you busted my balls on it.

Everybody said it.

Because you're a hypocrite.

That's cool.

I don't mind you being a hypocrite.

The world needs hypocrites.

We do.

You are the king of the hypocrites.

I'm using the word as a shorthand.

You believe in this concept of country.

Okay, yes, that's fair.

Yes, I use the word.

But I do believe in this concept of country.

Exactly.

That's the problem.

You shouldn't believe in that.

That's never what the United States were founded on.

So if you wanted to change something, don't you have to work within the system to change

it?

Why?

Well, how are you going to change it?

By screaming in the alley, calling by the retard?

Did the founders work within the system to change it?

No, they went to war.

Oh, okay.

Well, you don't have to work within the system.

You got to fuck an army?

That's what I'm trying to run.

Again, here's you that it claims you're a libertarian and even you don't want to help.

Oh, I didn't say I wouldn't fight if there was a plan.

The plan is to just leave us alone.

But I didn't tell you something right now.

Just leave us alone.

I'm going to take up your opinion that I'm turning party side.

Right?

That's the problem.

You're wrong.

You want more rules and regulations.

You want there to be a police force.

You want a military.

You want all this fucking bullshit that I don't want to pay for and you want a force.

But you do pay for it.

But I don't want to.

But you do.

But.

Except reality.

Please listen.

Except reality.

I don't want to.

If you knocked on my door and said, hey, Dave, would you sign up for my monthly military

subscription?

They know get the fuck out of my face.

And in the world you want, you would force me to pay for that.

No.

No one's forcing you to.

You want to.

No one is ever going to.

You want to believe in a country that means forcing me to pay.

Who was forcing you to pay your taxes?

Run.

Who was ever forcing you to pay?

You said you believe in a country that means forcing me to pay.

No, it doesn't.

Yes, it does.

How will you maintain your country if I don't pay?

Define the word force.

How will you maintain your country if I don't pay?

Change your word force and I might agree with you.

What do you mean force?

Violence, doing violence to people who don't agree.

Dude, you will not give up your money.

Like Uncle Sam doesn't even know how to open your door.

If I point a gun at you and say give me your money, I have not forced you.

Speaking realities.

That's the reality.

That actually happened.

Has it happened?

Has it happened to you?

We know it will happen.

Listen, change the word force.

No, you don't.

We know it will happen.

People have gone to prison for not paying taxes.

Wesley Snipes went to prison.

Peter Schiff's father died in prison.

So don't tell me it doesn't happen.

You're saying you're paying by force.

No one's ever forced you.

What are you talking about, Ron?

They put people in prison.

So you just won't get the money out.

They have forced people into prison.

Not you though.

Ron, stop using word force.

What do you think will happen if I joined those people?

You wouldn't let me use the word we as a country.

And you use a word that makes no sense.

If I stop paying taxes, Ron, they're going to lock me in a prison.

So why don't you find out?

So that's force.

And then you can use word force.

Why would I want to find out if they're going to pull the trigger or not?

Then use a different word.

It's force, Ron.

It is not force until they force you.

To apply force to me.

Who is?

The government.

How?

They wrote a law that says people who don't pay go to prison.

Okay, so you accepted that.

What do you mean I've accepted it?

They do it.

No, you pay.

They do it, Ron.

They have shown that they're willing to do it.

You pay before the force happens.

They have shown that they're willing to do it.

No, not to you.

What do you mean not to me?

They've shown that they're willing to.

No one has forced you to pay taxes.

You.

No, you.

Ron, what are you fucking talking about, Ron?

You must apply force on me saying no word of reason.

What are you fucking talking about, Ron?

You might not be using word force.

So has anyone forced you to pay taxes?

What are you talking about, Ron?

Yes.

Who?

The government.

How?

By writing a law that says, shut up and let me answer.

They sent you a letter?

By writing a law that says if you don't pay, we will come arrest you.

Was it in all caps?

It doesn't matter if it's all caps.

Oh, okay.

So what scared you?

Ron.

What scared you?

They will come and do it.

How do you know?

Because they have done it.

To some people, not all.

What are you talking about, Ron?

Not at all.

No, it's not all.

No, it's not all.

Holy fuck, you are stupid.

No, you mean.

You are extremely fucking stupid.

I'm trying to prove a point.

You're not proving anything.

You cannot use word force.

Yes, I can.

They have forced people.

No.

Oh, oh, oh.

Okay, okay.

Then I forced them.

Then I forced the people.

That I would accept.

That's forced.

Don't say they have forced me to.

Yes, they have.

They have not.

That's what it means, Ron, to show your will to go through on a threat.

That's force.

But they have never forced you, though.

Ron, if I pull a gun on you and say, give me your money.

That's force.

How's that force?

I haven't forced you.

I haven't touched you at all.

You've never tried to live.

I haven't touched you.

I value my life more than I've ever.

You might not be loaded.

I don't know.

Maybe it's not loaded.

Okay.

But I'm not forcing you.

Well, I mean, sure.

See, this is where you get retarded, Ron.

No.

You know that it's a force.

You know that I'm forcing you.

I said I was forced.

I knew you were going, maybe it's not loaded.

Maybe it's a candy gun.

Let me.

Yeah.

That's the argument you're making, Ron.

No, it's not.

That's the argument you're making with the government.

You said they have forced me to pay my taxes.

Yes.

Just like I forced you to give me your money.

Define the word force and tell me the actions that were taken to back that word up.

I just told you.

No.

They threatened it.

You.

You.

They all caps, it all caps, they yell at you.

And they have shown that they're willing to go through other threats.

Okay.

That's forced.

So you, but you have never been forced.

Ron, I just defined it for you.

So now give me the example of when you were forced.

They wrote down that they threatened me.

You're scared of words.

Ron, do words.

Ron, I just pointed a gun at you and said, give me your money.

Are you scared of words, you little bitch?

Are you scared of the gun?

The gun.

Okay.

I'm scared of their guns.

Okay.

Have they pointed a gun at you?

When?

For your taxes, mind you.

To collect your guns.

Okay.

No, not from my taxes.

Okay.

So they have shown that they're willing to point guns at people.

Oh, so, so they did it to this guy.

Just everybody pay.

Everybody pay.

Everybody pay.

Yes.

No.

So, okay.

Yes.

And I agree with that.

That's forced.

And I, no, it's not forced.

That is fucking forced, Ron.

You're fucking retarded.

You said they, Ron, that is forced.

Nope.

I don't care how, how you want to rationalize it.

That's forced.

I'm going to use your words against you.

They have forced some people to pay taxes.

Yes.

I agree with that.

No, that's not true.

Yes, it is, Ron.

That statement is not true.

Yes, it is, Ron.

Can we move on?

Good God, you're stupid.

Yeah, I'm the dumb one.

Yes, you are.

And when I do a poll of our listeners, they'll all agree to it.

Okay, go ahead.

Speaking of fucking forcing us to pay for bullshit.

And, and they're willing to come on and defend their position too.

I'm, I'm not here.

Speaking of forcing us to pay for bullshit, no new wars, Trump has started a new war.

With the cartels, with Syria.

No, well, that's Yemen.

Yemen.

So is it a declaration of war or is it your definition of war?

Well, it's the definition of war that we've been using, that we criticized Obama for.

So, boots on the ground?

Yes.

Well, not, not boots, but bombs.

Oh, okay.

So you don't think it's a war to bomb people?

Oh, it's horrible.

I don't, I don't.

Okay, so Trump is bullshit.

Okay.

He can no longer claim to be not for any new war.

Well, again, you can't use the word war.

Why?

Because it's not a war.

Then you can't criticize Obama.

What did I, what did I criticize Obama for?

I, I, I criticized him for starting wars.

I criticized him for killing Americans.

Okay, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop, stop.

I don't think I've ever, stop, Ron.

Obama didn't have to say war.

You said that Trump is the no new war's president.

He says he's an anti-war president.

But he's not.

That, that does not meet the definition of war.

Bullshit, Ron.

You are, now you're making excuses for Trump.

No, I'm not.

That you were not meant for Obama.

I, I, I am against.

Or Biden.

I am against what he did in Syria.

This is starting a war.

Oh, it's starting a war.

Yes.

So they have to react for us to, to react again.

There has to be a reaction to our action.

Where, where, where is the word war actually begin?

He's bombing people.

Okay.

I'm against the bombing.

But what's the, again, we're going to be, you bust my ass.

Did Obama start any wars?

Um, he bombed people, but no.

So Obama, so Obama was a no new war president.

Um, yeah, I think so.

So then why does Trump say I'm the only president that hasn't started any war?

Why was that the thing?

The only president that hasn't started any new wars since Carter?

I'm trying to think.

Why, that's what they said, Ron.

No, no, they fucking said it.

You said it.

I don't disagree with that.

I'm trying, I'm trying to think of Obama starting a war.

God.

By definition.

Congress has not declared war since 1941.

We already know this.

Right.

I'm, I'm not talking about what the man says.

I'm not talking about the man put on paper.

I mean, what is the definition of war and have we, have we gone to war?

Cause if Vietnam was a war, you could go to police action, American citizens die.

You are now sucking Trump's dick live.

I just said, I mean, he started a new war, Ron.

Define the word war.

He bombed people.

Why is that a war?

What the fuck do you think a war is?

So the government, when they forced you to pay taxes, are they starting a war with you?

Kind of.

Oh, okay.

So that's your definition of war.

But not really.

Cause I'm not, I'm not another nation state.

Oh, okay.

So when these illegals come over here and they mug somebody on the street, is that starting war?

No.

Why not?

They're not, no one's a nation state.

It's individuals.

So when they, so if, if, if one of those illegals happened to be in the military in another country, would that be a declaration of war?

No.

Okay.

I, I, I, why are you sucking Trump's dick so hard right now?

How?

Explain.

The whole thing with Trump was I'm the only president that hasn't started a new war.

Did I say?

I agree.

Yes.

Did I say he has not started any wars?

You said he's the only president that hasn't started any new wars.

I said he said he's an anti-war president.

No, it's not what the talking points were Ron.

This is all on Twitter.

It's all fucking public record.

Everybody said Trump is the only president that didn't start any new wars.

Okay.

Now you went from, you went from me to everybody.

You are included in that.

When did I say that Trump is an anti-war president?

I said he,

I didn't say it's a war.

Stop saying things I didn't say.

That's what I said.

The words were that Trump is the only new president to not start any new wars.

Okay.

Those were the talking points across the internet which you agreed with.

Yes.

He has now started a new war.

I disagree with the word war but I'm against what he just said.

Then you can't say he's the only president.

What did you do here?

Have I, since I found that news out, have I said he's an anti-war president?

We're not talking about anti-war Ron.

Stop changing the subject.

How do you want me to phrase this?

People said, Ron, shut up.

Why are you agreeing with people?

Just listen very closely.

Yeah.

People said that Trump was the only president to not start any new wars.

Okay.

Not anti-war.

Was that true yesterday?

To not start any new wars.

Was that true yesterday?

It was three days ago or something.

Okay.

But what about the bombing he did like two weeks ago?

What bombing two weeks ago?

He blew up some guy in the car.

I know there was, he did a drone attack on somebody in another country like two or three

weeks ago.

I think that was still last week.

Okay.

Within the last week.

Was it a drone attack or was it bombs?

I don't fucking remember.

No, no.

In Yemen it was bombs.

Okay.

So whatever.

So if you want to say that started a war, cool.

I'm an anti-war person.

Stop saying anti-war.

We're not talking about anti-war.

No.

You said I'm stuck in Trump's dick.

You aren't talking about something interesting.

I am an anti-war person.

Did Trump start a war?

Not by the word definition.

Then why would he start a war?

I do not believe by the definition.

Then why did you say that Trump is the only president to not start a new war?

I have never said those words.

Yes you did.

I said he's an anti-war president.

No you didn't Ron.

You agreed with all the fucking talking points.

I wouldn't put those words together.

You agreed with all the talking points about that.

That's not a statement I would make.

You did.

No I didn't.

Yes you did.

I'm an anti-war president and maybe now he's not.

Holy fuck dude.

But again it's semantics.

If they did not start a war.

Holy fuck you put you don't give a fuck about semantics.

But yeah I did.

No you don't.

I never criticized him for starting a war.

Bullshit.

He killed American citizens and drones.

He killed foreign people with drones.

That is wrong.

The same way Trump is wrong.

But then why are you sucking his dick?

Why are you defending him?

Why am I defending?

You're defending Trump.

I'm not defending this action.

You're saying he didn't start a war.

I'm saying it's not a war.

Oh my god yes it is.

Man you write this to make up words.

This is so fucking stupid.

Definition of words.

This is so fucking stupid.

Just admit it he's not anti-war.

He has joined the ranks of all the other presidents to start a new war.

Because you busted my balls for saying the word country and you busted my balls for

saying the word we he did not start a war.

He is wrong in his actions.

Oh my god.

But he did not start a war.

He has done the same thing that all the other presidents besides Carter in recent history

have done.

Yes.

Which he tried to set himself apart from.

Politicians lie.

Say it for the point.

Politicians lie.

Okay but then why did everyone say this is Trump's special thing?

I don't speak for everyone.

But you joined it.

No I said he's an anti-war president.

Yes you did.

Oh my god.

And maybe I can't say that now.

Off with the facts.

Oh my god.

I never said anything but anti-war.

Holy fuck.

He's not though.

He's not.

He did what everyone else does.

Come up with a different term and I'll agree with you.

He's done what everyone else has done.

I just agree with that.

I don't have a problem with that.

Oh my god.

No one's going to make it through this show to watch our interview.

Can you put the interview at the first of the show?

Maybe I'll mix it in.

Yeah.

Maybe do that.

Do it before you lost your fucking mind.

You lost your fucking mind.

Okay.

You never had a mind.

You didn't lose it.

Are you working on something over there?

You didn't lose it.

Do you need a break to work out your old statement?

God damn.

All right.

What else do you want to talk about?

I have a couple things but maybe you'll disagree with them just out of principle.

No.

I won't do it.

Okay.

Let's talk about people are...

Okay.

Is auto pen a valid signature?

No.

What do you mean now?

It's not a valid signature.

You can't sign your rent check or your rent lease or your mortgage or anything like that.

So it's a valid signature.

And you can do it electronically as well too.

Bill Clinton passed that law in the 19...

Okay.

Then it's a valid signature.

No.

The auto pen is...

So, okay.

Is it auto?

Can I sign a check or the kind of an auto pen?

Yeah.

I might be able to.

Okay.

It might be legal.

Yes.

Okay.

So then why are people insisting that some of Biden's signed documents are invalid?

Because there are some documents that need the president's signature.

Where does it say that?

Where does it say they can use an auto pen?

It's just...

Okay.

So...

What does it say that?

Well, okay.

Let's...

Because there's different types of documents.

Okay.

So let's pick one at a time.

Okay.

Let's pick laws.

Okay.

So when Congress passes a law, the Constitution says it shall be given to the president

to sign.

I would think that we should...

A new law, because I don't like most laws, should be wet signed.

I want to make sure that these are hands were on it.

But it just says to sign.

It doesn't say how you sign.

I can't force you to read it, but I at least want your hands on the goddamn document before

you read it.

But it doesn't say that.

It's signed.

What's the...

Okay.

Okay.

Here we go again.

What's the definition of sign?

Well, that's something the courts are going to have to work out.

Okay.

Which I guess they kind of did.

So...

So explain...

You know what?

I don't know what an auto pen is.

Can you explain it to me, please?

I'm not exactly sure.

I think it's similar...

It's a machine.

They put the piece of paper and they push a button.

Really?

Yeah.

Actually...

That's fucking stupid.

No, no.

You didn't see the post that made...

No.

President Trump posted a picture of past presidents.

Yeah.

And it went 44...

He's forgotten the number he is.

45.

He went 45.

46 was an auto pen.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't know what that was.

It was an auto pen.

Okay.

So...

What the fuck?

Okay.

So, in reality, that's fucking hysterical.

But...

Now...

No, but hold on.

So, an auto pen.

Is it fingerprint by the president for it to work?

I don't know.

It's not.

His staff are asking you to...

Okay.

So...

Maybe I'm going to change my mind on this then.

Okay.

So, wait, what?

Well, I didn't know what it was.

I assumed it was like an electronic signature.

Did we get attacked?

You changed your mind?

I didn't look at...

My opinion?

I didn't look up what an auto pen was.

I assumed that an auto pen was like an electronic signature where you draw your

signature and then you put it behind a password.

No.

No, it's a...

The machine has your signature.

And you put the piece of paper there, you push a button and it signs.

Yeah, but anyone can push that button.

Anyone...

It might be password protected that I don't know, but anybody who has that password...

We'd have to figure that out.

So, Joe Biden does not activate the auto pen and that's Trump's own...

Okay.

Then I would say those probably shouldn't be valid because...

But no, I...

If you're not the one doing it...

But then if you're not the one signing...

I mean, if you...

But I don't...

Okay.

I don't...

Somebody else pushing the button.

Yes.

Right?

If Biden pushes the button...

Fine.

Yeah, then I would agree with.

But did he push the button?

Why would you have a machine that does your signature if you have to activate it?

I mean, for laws, it says the president must sign the document.

Okay, but his signature is given by the auto pen and if you have the password, if it is

password protected, the president gave you permission to use the auto pen.

But no, I don't like it.

I don't think that should be allowed.

Because honestly...

I mean, he should be an operator.

The auto pen should not be allowed.

I want to see the president in hand cramps...

I mean, like, what if we have a president with no arms?

Like, I mean, come on.

You think...

Look, it's not the device I'm...

Okay, if he has...

Who's operating with a button?

If he has no arms, how would he put his signature in the auto pen?

You may have just found another...

No.

You...

They'd have to figure out...

You found a new qualification for president.

Must have arms.

Or, side with your toe or your mouth.

But so laws...

Okay, this president must sign a law.

But people are talking about his pardons, too.

Yeah.

They were all opined.

But...

No, here's the thing.

You don't have to sign a pardon.

You don't even have to write a pardon down.

So this is...

You're going off the declassification of documents theory.

No, I'm going off the Constitution.

Read the Constitution.

It never says you have to sign anything.

It never says it must be in written form.

It just says the president has the power of pardons.

Huh.

Okay.

And that's...

It's funny that you brought that argument up because I thought of that on my own.

I didn't, like, read somebody else.

Like, as soon as this news came out, I'm like, well, wait a minute.

Because Trump argued that he, as the executive, can declassify documents just by declaring

it.

Yeah.

Thinking it...

I mean, thinking it is one thing because, like, you have to still tell other people,

right?

Do you?

Well, otherwise, how would they know?

So you tell this person, this person doesn't hear you, but you tell this person is declassified.

Yeah, it's...

So think of it as legit.

But a pardon is presumably has the same power.

I would think it would need to be written down so people could say, hey, I've been pardoned.

I would say that's evidence of a pardon, which you should have, but it's not part of the

law.

Right?

As soon as I think it, he's pardoned.

But now, if you want to...

You have precedence on that.

...prove to the jailer to release him, I can show up in person.

Yeah, you have precedence on that.

I can walk down there and say, hey, I'm pardoning that man.

You have precedence on that.

Or I can send him a note.

I don't know that you're right, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

But you have precedence on that.

I'm afraid to look up, has there ever been a verbal pardon?

I couldn't find that.

I think they've all been written as of now, but there's no constitutional qualification

for that.

I don't know.

I like...

Because they also brought up that they're going to challenge in court his middle capacity,

which I brought up like four or five weeks ago.

The problem is they didn't fucking act on that when they could.

No, because you have...

Again, there's people...

There was a lawyer who said he's too incompetent to provide his own defense...

Right.

...for his classified document.

So that's a legal claim, there's a court order, that's filed, a judge's signature went

on.

I don't think that's going to...

I think they would have to 25th Amendment him for that to work.

But I also go just look at him and the camera.

Yeah, that's never going to happen.

I mean, yes, that's hilarious, but it's never going to fly.

Yeah, I don't know.

I'm actually...

I'm curious because I actually said that Trump is going to pull these pardons back.

And I'm curious if he's actually going to do it or not, or if he can do it or not.

So he can always issue an arrest warrant and a cop can go arrest the guy.

I don't think any judge will anywhere, like even a Trump judge will throw that out.

But if he proves the pardon to be a legitimate...

But he can't.

No, he's trying to.

I don't think he can.

If it's an auto pen, I think he can.

No, so he...

They could have signed their own pardon.

No, but listen, regardless of the auto pen issue, Biden got on TV and said, I'm pardoning

these people.

So he came out of his mouth.

Huh.

Now, he didn't say that for all pardons, I don't think.

So we'd have to go look at the footage.

Who did he do it?

Who did he not?

Let's go to Liz Chady.

Let's say she stuck into the White House and auto pen her own pardon.

And she says, no, I didn't.

And then we call him to court.

Yeah.

Biden to court to testify that he actually signed it.

But he's mentally incompetent and cannot provide evidence that he signed it.

I...

Fuck if I know how that's going to fly.

I have no idea.

Yeah, I don't know.

I'm actually going to forward to it.

Okay.

So here's the funny one.

So let's talk about Tesla.

People have been attacking Tesla lately.

Yeah, here in Vegas.

Yeah, Vegas, the dealership is on fire.

There's all sorts of...

Because Tesla's have like six cameras and they auto turn the camera on when someone approaches.

Did my thing post...

I actually showed a picture of the guy in Fort Collins who was caught on the Tesla camera.

And he drew a swastika in it and they went into the gym.

The owner came out and saw the swastika, pulled his camera footage, went into the gym, showed

the workers and they go...

Yeah.

He's right over there.

They call the cops that he got arrested.

That's the one I want to talk about but let's get to the whole...

They posted that video.

That's what...

I did compliment the cameras.

So yeah, there's a guy digging in his asshole and rubbing shit on a Tesla.

There's people scratching him a lot.

That's serious.

But I want to talk about this guy because all he did was draw in the dust on the...

He didn't damage the car.

It's not damage.

But he got arrested for it.

Are you sure he didn't scratch it?

Yes.

Well, I'm not sure but that's the story.

I would say more than because what I would heard is that he scratched it.

They said they saw the...

I don't know.

There have been people that scratched it so maybe you're talking about that.

But there was a guy that drew a swastika in dust.

If there's no damage, then there's no crime.

Well, he's been arrested.

Well, they'll get out.

So here's the thing.

I actually posted this too.

I don't know why this didn't show up.

I put at even on Musk and I don't think maybe he shut me off.

I don't know.

Well, actually probably you.

But I said, hey, dude, solve the problem.

Put a net on your car.

When metal comes into contact with it, shoot the net, capture the person, scoop him up and

drive him to the fucking police station.

Why can't he do that?

I think booby traps are frowned upon.

Well, no, he's a criminal.

He's damaged your property.

It doesn't matter.

Actually, going in Colorado.

So I had an issue where people were breaking into my parking garage where I worked at.

Yeah.

And the cop goes, put barbed wire up.

I go, I can't use barbed wire.

Yeah, that's different.

He goes, no, the cop goes, dude, you're in Colorado.

You can use barbed wire.

We use barbed wire all the time.

Well, I'm sure that varies by state.

But the thing is, that's what he said.

You're in Colorado.

But barbed wire is visible.

But booby traps are invisible.

So put a little sign.

If you scratch this car, you're going to get scooped up by a net.

And you'll be like, what?

You're glasses, but the car, and then you make it so small that you make them fling

in.

And as soon as the glasses touch the car, scooped up, taken to jail.

Or if you're Mexican, taken across the border.

Is that okay to do that, Joe?

How would the car know?

That's a thing like there's no due process.

The car does not give you due process.

No, but it doesn't need due process.

It's just detaining you.

It doesn't know you're Mexican.

Oh, Elon Musk.

Did the dude catch his rockets?

He could do that.

No, there's no chance.

It's got cameras, AI, facial recognition.

Get a DNA sample.

So once they scoop you up in the net, they get a little swab out and just swap your cheek.

And I'm sure we can do a quick DNA test.

Scoop them up, taken to jail.

So I know you're against the federal charges on these people that are actually damaged

in the car.

But actually, I'm not drawn in the dirt.

Yes.

Actually, you're against federal charges.

Okay, so Pam Bondi apparently loves going on TV.

She's got a fucking...

Shouldn't she be releasing the Epstein files?

Yeah, she's fucking not doing her job of releasing the Epstein files.

And she's coming out on TV, all this other bullshit.

And one of them was, we're going to go after these Tesla vandals and destroyers.

And here's the thing is, those are all state crimes.

Every single state, all 50 of them...

I disagree with that, but okay.

They have laws against vandalism and damaging property and all that shit.

Let the local cops do their fucking jobs.

So the problem here is you can be charged in state, you can be charged in federal.

The federal should have no jurisdiction over what's to happen.

So what if the local prosecutors are still George Soros appointed ones and drop all the

charges?

Then don't live in that fucking area.

You don't have to live in there.

But what if they use them all 12 cocktail?

Okay.

Which is a sitting area device?

You mean an arm?

Is that an arm?

Is that a type of arm?

A Molotov cocktail?

Yeah.

It's a...

Yeah, I'm asking you, is it an arm?

It's an explosive device.

Is it an arm?

It's an explosive device.

But is it an arm?

I don't know what the definition of a bomb is.

What a firearm.

I know what you're saying.

I don't know if you define...

I'm asking you.

It is a weapon.

Are weapons arms?

Some are.

What do you mean some are?

Baseball bat could be a weapon.

A golf club could be a weapon.

So you're...

This microphone could be a weapon.

So you have armed yourself with a baseball bat?

Sure.

Okay.

Can you arm yourself with a Molotov cocktail?

Yes.

So then it is an arm?

Sure.

Again, you...

So do we have the right to keep a bare arm?

You're using semantics on me.

But we have the right to keep a bare arm.

Yes.

Do we have the right to discharge the arms for nefarious reasons?

No, but what does that do with federal?

That's what state charges are for.

It's called an explosive device.

So what?

There's federal law.

I don't...

I don't care.

I'm not saying I agree with this.

Those laws are unconstitutional.

But yeah, people are still going to jail for it.

I knew it.

Why are you defending...

You see again, you're defending these laws.

No, I'm not.

I'm...

Yes, you are.

I'm defending the definition of the law.

You're saying you want the feds to charge these people.

I want the feds involved.

And I want them involved legally.

With what jurisdiction?

Well, right now, as it sits, in reality, we have an explosive device.

But then you want that.

If it's a law on the books, on the day you commit the crime...

It's unconstitutional.

Then why has it been fought in court?

It has been fought in court.

And how does the judge's rule...

I don't care how the judge's rule.

The Constitution says what it says.

We have the right to keep an bare arm.

Did it go to the Supreme Court?

I mean, why are you with me?

You have no problem with all the restrictions on 2A.

But...

What are you talking about?

Yes, I do.

Well, you never...

They're all unconstitutional.

And we're never doing about it.

But you're defending it.

How can I do anything about it when you're defending it?

What am I actually defending?

You want to arrest these people and charge them with these laws.

I want them to have the availability to file federal charges.

Why?

If the local prosecutor drops the charges.

Why?

Because this is an attack on American business.

So what?

It's an organized...

So what?

So fucking what, Ron?

This qualifies for...

Ron.

No, Rico.

This qualifies for Rico.

Again, this is unconstitutional.

See, like, you always do this.

You always say, oh, well, the feds have broke the law.

So let's apply the law to my enemies.

No, I don't like the...

I don't like the law.

I think it destroyed the city of Chicago.

Then stop saying we should charge people with it.

But it's the law on the books.

Then get it out.

So what?

Then get it out the books.

Fuck the books.

Why are you obsessed with these books?

Because we have law and order.

If we don't like the law...

Is the constitutional law on the books?

Yeah.

But these laws contradict the Constitution.

Yeah, some do.

So then they're not on the books.

Yeah, but then there's also 10.

Home rule.

Huh?

The 10th Amendment.

Okay.

Home rule.

That means it's up to the states.

Right.

You cannot create a law that violates the Constitutional rights.

Right.

But again, if the law has been passed and we have accepted it...

We don't accept it.

Who accepted it?

No one's finding it.

Or no one's won.

No one's successfully challenged it and won.

So after a certain...

All that means that some dickhead judge has disagreed with you.

Okay.

I don't give a fuck.

It's still the law on the books.

It's the only reality.

It's the only reality.

Run.

Stop accepting that they do this to people.

Has anybody been charged with debt data bomb?

I don't fucking know.

Yes, they have.

Okay.

Federally.

They shouldn't be.

Well, they were.

They shouldn't be.

So the word precedent is set.

So what?

If he is charged, this guy can be charged.

This guy can be charged.

Why?

Until someone stands up...

Why don't we stop it?

Change the fucking law.

Run, they're never going to change.

They are the bad guys, Ron.

They're the bad guys.

Change it?

And they're never going to change the laws to help you.

We...

Not because we're arguing again, because I like this, but we got to close up here pretty

soon.

Fucking shit, Ron.

If there's a law on the books...

I don't care.

No.

Change it?

No.

Or accept it?

No.

Ignore it.

Fuck them.

Because you're perfectly accepting that...

So you're okay with people going to jail unjustly?

How am I okay with people going to jail unjustly?

If the law is not constitutional and is an illegal law, but people are going to jail

by breaking this law, you need to have the fucking law changed so people stop going

to jail.

Okay, fine.

So...

What are you talking about?

Because you're not doing anything about it.

What are you talking about?

I'm arguing...

I'm arguing with you that you're not doing anything about it.

You're supporting it.

You like these people in jail.

You like it.

Yes, you do.

You even said they're attacking an American company.

They belong to federal pressure.

He's a federal employee, correct?

No, he's not.

Is he in jail?

It's...

He's like a consultant or something.

Okay, so he has a federal ID?

I don't know.

I mean, I don't think so.

Somebody explained this whole thing and he is a federal employee.

He has the rights of a federal employee.

Maybe I'll word it that way.

There's no such thing as a right of a federal employee.

They're servants.