Hi, welcome to the Canary the Cage Podcast.
I'm Ron Morgan, my co-host Dave Havlicek.
We're here to entertain you, educate you, and hopefully make you laugh.
I got some Monero news.
Oh, really?
So, we had a challenge last week about hourly vote tallies.
Now, nobody answered that, and I kind of thought that might be hard to impossible.
So I threw a bonus one in the channel, and nobody answered that either.
But we got a donation.
Oh.
0.1 Monero from Oliver Chase.
I love that guy.
Are you gay too, Oliver?
We might need to get him out of a beer.
You might be able to let me.
So the challenge this week, we'll get to that later in the show, but the winner is
going to get the 0.1 donation plus the 0.02 since it's rolling over from last week.
So 0.12 is up for grabs this week.
Oh, that's a lot of money.
Hell yeah.
Hey, what do you know about Doge?
Doge, which one?
The cryptocurrency.
I've heard of it.
Have you heard about the new government organization that may or may not really exist?
I have.
I love Elon Musk.
It's not a government organization.
Or department.
Well, it's not going to be related.
It's a fake name.
No, I know.
I think it might be rude.
Trump might make it real.
No, no, it's real.
Oh, they've already confirmed it.
They got the Twitter account up and the ex account up and everything.
But it's not a government.
It's not connected to the government.
It's not funded by government.
So what it is, it's a private entity that will come up with ideas on how to cut government.
Oh, like a think tank.
Yeah, think tank.
And then they're going to give those ideas to Trump.
And then Trump is going to hopefully listen to them.
So I heard today that they might be cutting like overall at the end of all this, they
will be cutting over 200,000 government jobs.
I hope so.
And somebody's like, oh my God, that'll crash the economy.
And I'm like, what?
Do you not know how that works?
Well, okay.
So it will crash the stats that the eggheads use to say, oh, this is all the economy's
doing.
Like unemployment will spike up because you have a bunch of unemployed people, but they're
no longer receiving government checks, which means there's going to be a government surplus,
which means they can stop taxing us so much or stop issuing more debt and stop causing
inflation.
And then those people will go get real jobs in the private sector, which is how productivity
happens.
Awesome.
So I got a quick question for you when Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Yeah.
His first day he walked in with the bathroom sink.
Yep.
What do you think he's going to walk in the White House with this?
I hope we have a meme for that.
But no, there's a lot of bitching about this doge thing.
But no, I think, well, okay, it might not do anything, which is fair.
Maybe Trump doesn't listen or maybe it's just a boondoggle.
But it's an idea, right?
Something we haven't done before.
Something worth trying, right?
And actually, Elon posted today on the doge X account, they're trying to hire people.
I don't know about hire.
They said we're looking for workers who could do 80 plus hours of work per week, send us
your resume, and we're going to do, you know, cut all the waste.
I don't know if they're paying or not.
I replied back, you know, what are you paying?
Yeah.
But since we're shadowban, I don't think they even saw it.
Hey, Elon Musk, you fixed that.
Yeah.
We're very complimentary of you.
We actually like you.
So the other thing Elon Musk did this week that I thought was interesting, I kind of
dig it.
Yeah.
He's like, so Republican Congress members toe the line or I'm going to finance your
or your primary, the press to run against you.
Please, please do that.
Let's clean the house.
Finance me, Elon.
Fuck.
Give me the elected libertarian party.
No.
So the other thing I want to talk about with the doge thing is that so they're only going
to be talking to Trump allegedly or they're only going to have Trump's ear.
So they can really only cut things that Trump has authority to cut.
So now Congress might get on board, right?
That's a possibility.
But let's assume that Congress is hostile.
Right.
So what can Trump actually do by himself?
Well, he's got executive orders like different than what Biden did.
Right.
Well, so but what can those executive orders actually cover?
Because he can't, what's a good example?
No tax on tax on social security.
Right.
So he can't change that by himself.
He can't close a government department by himself.
So he can't shut down the Department of Education, but he can direct them to do certain things.
Can he defund them though?
He cannot defund them, but he can fire a lot of the employees.
Right.
So he could just say, well, I'll just have a director and he gets the money and he could
just do it out to the States directly.
Then we're not going to do any programs, no nothing.
So I heard something today and I haven't had a chance to look into it because I was preparing
for the interview that we have.
Apparently there's employees of the White House and this happened when Obama left and
Trump came in the first time and they say it's happening now.
They hide themselves and they, it's got like a deep rooting or rooting.
They're rooting.
What?
Geez, I'll give you the name of it since I can figure it out, but I think hiding in
the curtains or something.
No, no, no, they still have a job.
They still get a paycheck, but they hide within the payroll system.
They started a paycheck and apparently these were the whistleblowers during the Trump campaign
and they do it to stop his campaign.
So yeah, it's interesting.
Again, I haven't had a chance to look into it, but I'm going to because this seems like
some, I believe in.
Speaking of doing like research and follow-ups, I looked up the SNL issue.
Okay.
They had Kamala on a show.
Yes.
They do need to offer Trump, even though it wasn't political related.
Right.
It's anytime you broadcast a political campaign, you have to offer the opponent roughly equal
time.
So yeah, they could be in trouble for this.
I hope they are because this shit's got to stop.
I mean, I don't really do it.
No, it's, no, and I don't care about if SNL has one political party on it and not the
other.
It's full of fucking rules.
You guys are the lawmakers in this country.
Sometimes rules are stupid.
I agree.
They remove them off the books.
Yeah, well.
That's my problem because like here in Nevada.
Yeah, you're with your hat thing.
No, it's a lot of stuff and it's like, you know.
But who cares?
I mean, really, honestly, like, so you're...
Lead by example.
You're doing this whole thing where like, this is why you're not a real libertarian
again, right?
You give the government this magical quality where they wrote it down.
That's the rules where like you would never treat any other entity this way.
So for example, if you told your son in your house, you know, the rule is this and like
your son was like, oh, I don't give a fuck.
And then you didn't do anything about it.
It's not the rule.
I keep saying I'm a fake, not a real libertarian, but my libertarian roots go to personal choice
and personal responsibility.
That's two of my core values of why I'm a libertarian.
So why are you giving these government rules this special quality?
Because they need to enforce them.
Because neither remove the fucking...
Remove all laws.
I'm fine with that.
But why?
Why bother?
But remove the laws that...
Why bother?
Who cares?
See that?
It's just words on paper.
No, because...
Why are you giving them magical quality?
And the cops decide not to enforce it.
That becomes subjective.
That leaves the cops open to subjectivity when they're at the traffic stop.
But they're subjective anyway.
But we need to stop that.
We can't stop it.
That's the problem.
Like you're imagining this world where we can have these magical pieces of paper and
that's the law and then like...
We'll see how that works.
It just doesn't work that way.
We'll see if that changes.
Yeah, it's a better term.
So who's your favorite pick so far?
It's...
Is it toss up between Matt Gaetz and Tulsi Gabbard, I guess?
And I was like, both of them have issues, right?
I'm not a big fan of either of them.
But there's things I like about them.
And especially the offices for which they've been nominated.
So Gaetz, I think he's bad on immigration.
He's bad on...
What else?
I mean, I haven't deep dived into the guys.
He's a firebrand.
I don't know about that.
You know, he's very fast on his feet.
Woody comebacks, that kind of stuff.
So he does have a law background.
So it's not like, oh, it's just...
Yeah, he's a lawyer.
So he's definitely up for the job.
And I've heard the questions that he asks on committees in the house.
So he knows how to ask the right questions, you know, get down to the facts.
Who's the fighter?
That's all I care about.
Yeah, and then Tulsi, you know, she's a leftist on a lot of things, which, you know, I'd
just fuck that, but putting her on intelligence, I love that idea because they were spying
on her.
She was on the no fly list.
She's going to fuck these people up.
Uh-huh.
That's beautiful.
And oh, just today they announced RFK.
See, that's probably my favorite one right there.
So before we talk about RFK, I posted this on our X, which no one can see because we're
shadow band.
But six days ago, yeah, six days ago, all these articles came out saying the Trump campaign
is distancing itself from RFK.
Yeah.
RFK is not going to get his position.
Spirit campaign.
RFK is done.
And I was like, what are you talking about?
Like maybe they're right.
I don't know because I have no source, but what's your source?
Show me the data.
And now today, yesterday for you listeners, Trump announced RFK for the Department of Health
and Services.
Well, they didn't say anything to JD Vance.
Are any of these places going to retract those articles?
I doubt it.
They didn't retract it.
So JD Vance, we first got picked.
They did the same thing to him.
He's horrible.
He's got, he's the lowest rated person vice president ever.
He's out of control.
They, they just, they kept like just down by and I'm like, who do they watch it?
Yeah.
And they, and apparently they were just trying to, to, to get that story going.
It didn't get any likes.
I think we might have to go look at those articles with our ad blocker off and see which
ads come up and then do some anti ads for those companies.
I think we should do that.
I think we should.
I mean, at this point, because here's the thing, the, the national media, they're kind
of hurting right now.
And I said this before, let's, let's attack.
We, let's attack when we can.
So the reason I'm bringing this up is Christmas is coming.
And if anybody is looking, cause you love our show so much, you want to buy us a Christmas
gift, MSNBCs for sale.
I will take that.
Give it to Dave and I.
Oh yeah.
We'll, we'll run that news channel.
Hell yeah.
So turn the canary in the cage.
Just replay old episodes.
No, no, we can bring in Bongino.
It's a Bongino now.
So, okay.
Here's someone floated him for secret service.
Well, so that's not official.
No, no, I know it's not.
But here's, so you got, this is like a split.
So should he go to this?
If he's offered, should he take it?
What cause?
Because he is probably the, he's the number one podcaster in the conservative
movement for life, live streaming audience.
Okay.
Do we want to lose that?
I don't think you would necessarily lose that.
I think you could do both.
Protect the president and do his podcast.
He's going to be the head.
He's not going to be personally doing it.
So.
No, no, I think they should, but I think it's just because he talks about the
secret service a lot.
I was telling you what, if I won for Congress, we would still be doing the show.
Right?
You know, I agree.
But do you think it would be the head of the secret service might be a little
busier because they don't go to recess.
Not really.
It's a week's off and months off.
Nobody's only to do one show a week.
Like is he doing?
He's daily.
Okay.
We can just cut it back.
Well, he does a daily podcast in a daily radio show.
Yeah.
He can just cut it back to, that's fine.
And it's true.
So.
Oh, he said something in my head.
It just fell right out of my head.
Damn it.
Well, okay.
So.
Um, I talk about Costco a lot.
Yeah.
And I love Costco.
I might stop shopping there.
What'd they do?
Well, so the FDA, um, force recalled 80,000 pounds of Costco butter.
Wait, it's because it contained Coca Cola, right?
Well, so what happened was, uh, now we actually talked about labeling laws a
couple of weeks ago and it's funny that this happened.
They mislabeled their butter and, and people who are allergic to certain
materials could die from eating Costco butter because they didn't label it right.
So if you're shopping for butter, uh, and you flip the box over and it doesn't
say the phrase contains milk, you might think that there's no milk in that
butter and you might buy that butter and then go home and eat it and then die.
Well, do we, do we know that Costco was doing this on purpose?
I doubt they did it on purpose.
Like, I don't know why you'd want to kill your, but maybe just kind of
thinning the herd out, getting rid of the dumb people.
I mean, seriously, okay.
Well, milk.
Have you ever looked at a box and looked for the phrase contains milk or
contains nuts or contains whatever the fuck?
Have you ever done that?
Absolutely not.
But I'm not allergic to shit.
But, but I, so it was, okay, that's fair.
Like if you were allergic to peanuts, you might, I would find a way to
come on allergic to peanuts.
I love peanuts.
They're deadly.
Like they're the one of the worst things to be allergic to.
Okay.
But for example, let's say you're going down the, uh, the condiment aisle and
you're looking at jars of peanut butter and you have a peanut allergy.
Right.
And it says jiff peanut butter and then you flip it over and you don't see the
word you're like, holy shit, there's no peanuts in this.
It doesn't say contain.
Are you going to buy that jiff peanut butter?
Everyone to die.
I mean, like what the fuck?
So what is this?
No, but there, you know, butter has fucking milk in it.
Everybody knows that.
Except the stupid people.
Oh my God.
So let's feed the stupid people butter.
If you read the ingredients list and seriously, it said milk and milk product.
Like it just didn't have the phrase on the other parts.
So I know, I know lactose intolerance.
I get that.
But does, does milk actually kill you or just give you gas and
like, it's just allergy and intolerance.
Okay.
Two different things.
So, um, and I'm pretty sure you can have butter while it's not.
There's no lactose.
Don't quote me on this.
Yeah.
I'm not medical.
Do not go out and eat butter just because you're lactose.
And I said so.
I don't think that there's lactose and butter.
I could be wrong.
Look it up on your own.
Oh, cause the, the, the, the process of making the butter could remove the life.
Yes.
But there are other milk solids in butter.
And that's what triggers the people that are allergic to milk.
Okay.
Cause there's a huge debate in the beer industry that is there gluten in beer?
And people say, no, the process of, well, no, the grapes.
There's, so there is gluten products in beer.
Well, like the grapes.
So that's, so gluten is, is what makes bread like sticky and hold together.
But that beer doesn't do that.
Beard is liquid.
No, no, there, so the marketing thing now is gluten free beer.
Everyone's like, no, the process it takes to make the beer removes the gluten.
Yes.
But yeah.
Yeah.
Let's, of course it's gluten free.
That's like gluten free steak.
No shit.
You know what gluten is?
Oh, Lordy.
Oh, what else do we have going on today?
Um, yeah, I like, I like some of the pigs.
Rubio, I'm a little concerned with, um, but I think, I think he'll be fine.
The other thing was early in the week, again, like these all these news articles,
Mike Pompeo back in, right?
Cause Pompeo was fucking Warhawk that Trump picked the first time.
And all the articles, Mark Pompeo confirmed Mark pop, Nikki Haley, Nikki Haley is
confirmed for this and that.
And then Trump posts on truth, social or wherever the fuck you post.
No, we will not be having bird brain, Nikki Haley and Mike Pompeo in our
administration.
So where are these fuckheads getting this stuff?
Well, apparently Ukraine chimed in on this.
Okay.
And they said they're upset that Pompeo is not going to be in.
Good.
Well, no, because when someone reached out and looked into this, the Ukraine, uh,
whoever's like the Ukraine press secretary, whatever, they're like, we never
said that.
We're actually excited about coming in because we want this shit to end.
So they know Trump's going to end the war.
Yeah.
They're just like making shit up.
But this is pure making shit up.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
Well, that's why I've talked about before they're lying.
And that's why we need to stop them.
And we, we're grassroots, I guess.
I don't know.
Looking at some listeners help us out.
Let's, let's take out the media why we can.
Uh, but there is some new, there's, you might like this one.
So there's a new, a new update on, uh, the, the DNC bombing suspect.
The pipe on?
Yeah.
I, I really haven't touched on this a lot.
I've mentioned it quite often, but I've mentioned it in passing because it's
the Dave Bongino thing because he is like deep rooted in this thing and, and
he's going to find out.
But so the, the FBI said, Oh, we can't find the bomber because the cell phone
data was not, I was corrupted and we can't, we can't locate them.
Well today the cell phone company went, what do you mean?
It's not corrupted.
We have it right here.
So we might find out who the bomber was.
That'll be fun.
How the fuck we didn't know this the day of the day after with the FBI agent
followed the guy home and was told to stand out.
You think it's Hunter Biden?
No, actually they, they already know who it is.
Oh, okay.
Well, because whistleblowers in the FBI, because the FBI agents were told to
follow the guy, they got on the train with him and they, they, they
ended up outside his house and they were given to stand down.
Speaking of Hunter Biden, his sentence thing is coming up, I think next week.
He's going to be, he's, well, I, so it's stroke of the pen.
All right.
So here's the thing.
I, I want him to be pardoned for the, well, I don't want him to be pardoned for
the drug, for the gun crimes.
I want to go to the Supreme courts and I want the Supreme court to throw it
out for violation of the second amendment because that would make this form
seven, seven, four, three illegal for everybody.
Oh, that's interesting.
So I, and it would still be funny if Trump pardoned him.
It would be fucking hilarious.
Well, I think Biden's going to pardon him.
I mean, Biden's going to, you know, well, I don't, he said he, I don't know, man.
I, the documents are really, really bad.
It would look really bad.
To who?
To everybody.
Oh, so you'll never vote for Biden again.
No.
Oh, okay.
And anytime he runs for office, you'll, you'll.
It looked bad for all the Democrats.
Like they're already in the, in the chair.
He doesn't care.
That's the proof.
He fucked them.
He voted, I guarantee you, he voted for Trump and his wife voted for Trump.
If he does this, they'll release the pedo tapes or whatever they have on
by, because they have it.
Everyone has shit on everyone, right?
So, but that comes to gates.
That's the thing.
I, well, I believe they have compromising information on a lot of Congress members.
And that's what keeps them in check.
Cause like I said, I talked about this before, Bernie Sanders might not do it.
His wife is damn near ignored him.
She, when they're walking across the beach, she's like,
fuck it, old man, keep up.
So, does he even remember Hunter anymore?
I mean, come on.
But no, no, he is just like all lively and happy now.
You see that?
I, I, he saw Trump walking the old bombs and welcome back.
I don't, I, I really don't want to see a partner here because I want the
president to be sad.
No, I agree.
That this form is illegal.
The ATF has no right to, to make us sign these forms.
But a few fathers, would you take that chance of your son going to jail?
Well, okay.
But if you ran your whole life on banning assault weapons and gun crime and
gun this and done that, you look, it's not like, okay, I guess, by, by doesn't
care about his own legacy at this point.
He's old to crap it.
He doesn't care.
His life is over.
He has no more, no track to go through.
But that's what I'm saying.
The other Democrats, like they're already fucking blowing up.
Like the Democrat party could die from all this shit.
And like that will hurt them even more.
Oh, it's beautiful to watch.
It's amazing because they're all blaming, like everyone's blaming this and that.
Like no one's looking at, you know, what did we do wrong?
Something we fixed this.
So basically we have to, to some eyes, there were a numerous, a number of people
in the Democrat party that thought Harris was going to win.
I truly believe that.
Of course.
I, because the whole time, I mean, the last few weeks, I'm like, she can't win.
You don't run a campaign like this.
There's no way she's going to win.
But they really thought she was now.
Was this because of cheating or was it because, because we know it wasn't for
popularity, that woman's not popular with nobody.
And this damn near.
Well, they spent a billion dollars.
Oh, no, no.
A billion and 20 million.
Because she's 20 million.
So the dumb bitch can't even manage her own finances.
And she wanted to run for president.
Really?
And I guys, I don't care.
This is not a, I mean, it's not a woman thing.
Rent, healthy, Gabbard, children, a lot better.
There's a lot of strong women out there that would do very well.
Hillary would have done better.
No, Hillary's an evil.
She would have done, she's competent.
She's competently evil.
Harris is just stupid and evil.
She's just dumb.
Yeah.
No, they, so I don't, I don't, I don't like hearing this.
Well, it's because she was a woman.
No, bullshit.
Cause I'm going to tell you right now, I actually prefer strong women.
And I do.
Meet my wife.
She gives me up all the time.
Um, but no, but so this, this bullshit of things.
Oh, they're just driving me crazy.
Oh, well no strong women.
Cause that, okay.
So here's the deal.
What about that?
You're like, people, we're going to, we're going to host a debate here.
If we get this set up.
Yeah.
Um, I want the Democrats to pick five of their strongest women and
Republicans pick five of their strongest women.
Oh God.
No rules.
Let's do a debate with those, those women.
Let's, let's see, let's see who wins that debate.
Um, and, but we still get to tell us in gap.
I'm not sure if she would actually qualify for, but she's pretty, pretty intelligent
woman.
Um, yeah, let's see.
Uh, cause it will be embarrassing.
You think the Harris loss was embarrassing.
Oh, bring your, bring your five best and brightest.
Well, we were at a, we were at a libertarian meetup one night and, um, one
of the local state assembly women just happened to be at the same bar.
Oh, really?
And we convinced her to come over and talk to us.
Huh.
And she was fucking stupid.
I don't recall that.
I don't think you were there.
You weren't there.
That all the judges were there.
Yeah.
That's a different, different day.
Um, I'm not going to say who it was, but, uh, she had no concept of even the
purpose of government, you know, like, cause one thing that stood out to me as
she said, well, you elect us to, to be your boss.
Oh, someone needs to do this.
That, that, that set me off a little bit.
And I'm like, no, excuse me.
That is not the purpose of government.
You are not our boss.
We are your boss.
You are the car.
We are the driver.
And, uh, yeah, we got into a little, it was a respectful discussion.
Wait, seriously?
No, yeah.
With you?
Yes.
No yelling or waving your hands.
And I was loud, but I wasn't like calling her a fucking retard or anything.
Like this is my guy.
You gotta love Dave people, but no, like they're just fucking dumb.
They're so dumb.
They don't know anything about anything.
And she won, right?
No.
Well, she won for reelection.
Cause it's Nevada.
It's a Democrat.
Yeah.
But I actually didn't look it up.
I didn't, I didn't check, but I assume she won.
All Democrats won in Nevada, dude.
Oh, okay.
Even though the state went to Trump and even two years ago, the state went to
Republican governor.
Yeah.
For some reason, hmm, everybody else who wins is a Democrat.
Even when the popular vote goes to the Republicans.
So I think if you factor in the aliens that are in area 51 and
the, and the, and the, and the solar flares, um, people get stupid and vote
Republican for the high offices and the Democrat for the rest.
I don't know.
I actually heard there might be some court cases in Nevada right now and not,
not being challenged by the Republican party, being challenged by the citizens
of Nevada.
Yeah.
They're like, this is wrong.
This is not right.
Oh, hey, look at that.
She actually lost.
Oh, she did not get reelected.
There you go.
The system works.
So who got elected?
Uh, some random Republican.
I did not know because I know two years ago, no Republicans won.
Well, there you go.
All right.
So maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe there was no voter fraud in Nevada.
Maybe it was, maybe I did it.
Maybe it was my, my doing.
There you go.
I fixed the system.
There you go.
I'm taking credit.
I don't care.
Yeah.
Oh, what else are we?
Well, I got, I got one more thing to cover on my end.
Um, you remember Polly, Polly markets.
Oh, I heard about this.
Polly market was the, uh, betting sites where people could bet on the, the election.
Um, and they had Trump as a favorite kind of early on.
Um, but not, but not the entire time.
Cause there was a few times you showed to me.
I'm like, do bet Trump, bet Trump.
Well, they weren't open to US customers.
They, um, you could do it with a VPN, but I don't, I don't like to gamble on
shit like that.
Yeah.
It's, it's too influence.
But, uh, the CEO was rated by the FBI.
They took all those electronics.
So didn't say why the warrant just said, you know, we're going to take your shit.
So what's going on with that?
FBI is needs to be defunded.
Well, who do you think is going to be the head of the FBI?
Um, it's going to be a, my, my, the, a, a Vic from a silver on me.
No, it's not going to be the Vic.
I don't think Vivek is going to be involved at all.
Oh, really?
Cause he's part of the Doge group.
Yeah.
But, but then it's also cash patels.
There's one of the two names that keeps popping up.
Okay.
Uh, I'm not sure, but it's one of those two guys and I would be happy to be
the one of them.
I like both of their, um, views.
Interesting.
Um, I think the libertarian is going to be in what department?
Let's, let's talk about that.
Cause he owes us, you owe us, Trump.
Better put that in libertarian in there.
So not knowing what department he would go for.
Well, there's not many left, right?
Yeah.
But what, what libertarian?
I know he's going to do it for popularity.
So we've got like two or three libertarians that do successful podcast.
I don't think he's going to, the podcasters aren't going to say yes.
That's the other problem.
I don't think Dave Smith will say yes.
You'll think so.
Oh, well, I mean, the guy wouldn't even run for president for us.
Running for president is one thing and working in the White House is another thing.
I just, isn't he the one that got in trouble for taking money for his podcast?
Did he shut his podcast down?
No.
We're doing that.
That's simple.
So maybe Tim, he's that libertarian.
Fuck him.
Oh, he's not.
No.
Oh, I thought he was.
He's a, he's like a Tulsi Gabber Democrat.
Ah, okay.
No, he owes us a libertarian.
The actual, it could be messy.
Um, no, no, no bullshit.
Mass is not a libertarian.
He's an elected, he is an elected Republican.
That doesn't matter.
It's not what a libertarian is.
No, it matters to me because the media will say, okay, he could pick Chase Oliver then.
Why not pick Chase Oliver?
I don't know why he would.
But you would accept that?
I mean, somebody's got to clean the toilets in the White House.
So you would accept Chase Oliver?
He didn't say what position.
No, he didn't.
So maybe he's the guy who cleans the toilets.
No, he said cabinet.
He said in the cabinet.
No, we have a cabinet member in charge of cleaning the toilets.
No, we don't.
Not mopping the floors, not mopping the, just cleaning the toilets.
It's a new cabinet position.
It's very important to the White House.
We need to have shiny porcelain.
Um, no, no, because I don't want the media, I don't want to give them an out on this.
If you do a mass, oh, he's a Republican.
Well, he's like, that's fine.
The media's not even going to fucking report it.
What are you talking about?
No, they don't give a fuck about our issues.
I don't mind about it.
If we create a ruckus about libertarian being in office, they're going to go know
he's a Republican.
You don't care what the media says.
I do, because I, again, my whole problem with Chase Oliver was I want to move
the libertarian power forward.
If he fits Massie, that counts.
That counts.
That really counts.
I want Massie in the cabinet, but I don't think he, I don't think it's.
It counts.
Okay.
I say it's got to be like me.
Why not me?
You're nobody.
Hey, come on, man.
I'm a podcaster.
I got at least four listeners and they support me.
Why not pick me then?
Just pick me.
You put me as the head of the Federal Reserve.
Well, that's not a cabinet position, but still do it anyway.
You hear that?
You heard the Federal Reserve guy, right?
Which one?
Trump fires him.
He's not going to leave.
Trump does not have the authority to fire him.
That's what I wanted to know.
Yeah.
So I, so who does?
Um, so they can only, so they have a 14 year term and he was assigned six years
ago, I want to say.
So he's still got eight years left.
Uh, he can be removed for cause, but I believe the Senate has to confirm that.
So like you need an actual reason to remove him, which I don't know how you would.
I mean, he's kind of made some really bad decisions.
Maybe.
Yeah, but you have, how do you prove stuff?
Like it's so hard to prove that thing, things like that.
All right.
Then you have to have the Senate on board, which, you know, that's possible.
I'm, I'm, I don't remember the guy's name with the Senate.
They became the head of the Senate today.
Uh, Thor.
Yeah.
Thor.
I'm just going to call him Thor.
Um, he's, he's made anti-Trump statements before, which is fine.
Sort of advanced.
Yeah.
It's sort of advanced, but this guy says I made him, I don't hide from them, but I
wanted to correct them because my opinion for him has changed.
So I, you know, I say give the guy a chance to see where he goes.
You know, like the proofs in the pudding.
I would, I would say like, you know what?
I still don't like you, Trump.
But I'm going to, I'm going to work with you.
Yeah.
I mean, like, I'm not going to apologize.
I still think you're an asshole.
No, no, but you could.
You're a funny asshole.
Just like me.
He might have changed his opinion though.
I mean, JD Vanstead.
True.
Well, I see.
You never know what these people, they're all politicians at the end of the day.
I also didn't default back to how many times we went to Republican Congress
members in hope that they would do the right thing and yeah, I mean, yeah, they
didn't.
Yeah, they're all fucking snakes in the grass.
You know, you can't trust any of them.
But, but there are politicians.
No, I, that's why I would like to hear one of them say, you know what?
I, I, I still think you're a fucking scumbag, Trump, but I will work with you.
You know what I mean?
Because.
Oh, who was that?
Um, oh, the senator, I think he's from South Carolina.
The gay one that doesn't know he's gay.
No idea.
He's Republican.
No idea.
Very popular name.
Well, he's like, he goes, I, he goes, I always vote for every cabinet member.
The president puts forward.
Cause I think that's the right thing to do with a Democrat or Republican.
They have the right to have their people in charge.
And, and, and it's,
What if it's Lindsey Graham, Lindsey Graham?
Oh, he's a fucking idiot.
Well, I mean, he's got a girl's name, so why not be gay?
Cause they, I'm not saying these gays don't sue me Lindsey Graham, but I mean,
there might be pictures that you hang out with Diddy and Epstein on his fucking dick.
I don't know.
Um, Jesus.
Um, so let's, let's, um, let's throw a secret word out there for the Monero
challenge and remember it's, it's 0.12 Monero guys.
So it's, it's a little,
you want to put the secret word in the channel, get yourself in the
wheel for next week.
Secret word will be bail bond.
Oh, that's a little hint about our segment coming up.
Yeah.
So, uh, do you have anything else?
That's, I'm good.
We're not doing our, uh, our educational parts today because we have a special
interview.
We had someone reach out to us to be interviewed by us.
I know I'm just as shocked as you are.
I'm like, no, so that this folder, folder closure, Dave comes up and goes, Hey,
somebody wants to be interviewed by us.
I go, what?
He's like, no, seriously, it's a, he wants to discuss a crime rates, the crime
around America and the FBI crime stats.
I go, Oh dude, he's a fed.
I'm telling you.
He's like, no, no, no, no.
The, uh, the, um, the guy mentioned the FBI crime stats.
I go, that's what an FBI agent would say.
So that's how to fix the error.
Me now.
The word is gonna be these fingers have a pep in your head.
If not, we'll get it figured out.
We're still trying there.
But no, it was actually, I did some research and, um, saw other interviews of
him doing it, those podcasters were arrested.
So I'm like, well, maybe he's real.
But yeah, we had a great interview, um, with, uh, Ken Good.
Uh, he's a bail attorney out in the great state of Texas.
How y'all doing?
Yeah.
I did not say the yee-ha to him because that would probably be insulting.
Uh, but I did call him from the great state of Texas because I, because I do
like the way the Texas love their state.
Cause, uh, let's, uh, let's go right into that.
And then we'll be back afterwards.
All right.
So yeah, I never lived in Texas, but I liked the way you guys
introduced, you know, yourself everywhere from the great state of Texas.
You gotta love that love for your state.
So, um, so what exactly is a bail attorney?
Oh, that's a good question.
Um, well, you start out as a regular attorney and then you, um, you know, when
I first graduated from law school and started in private practice, I represented
doctors and hospitals when they were sued.
And, uh, you know, I developed a whole practice doing that.
I've always been interested in appellate work.
And there was a MedMal seminar I went to where they had a section on up and
coming important cases from the court of appeals and they had five of the
case, five cases and three of the five were mine.
Uh, and so because of my interest in appellate law, there was a, uh, a
bail bondsman who got in trouble.
He had 45 default judgments or default judgments when you don't
file an answer when you're supposed to.
And so he, so, so he asked somebody, who do you hire to, to get those set aside?
They said, we need a pallet attorney.
And I know a really good one and you should call him.
And so that was the first work I did in the bail area.
And then word of mouth passed or spread and I started representing bondsman
when they'd have issues.
And then I'm Texas counsel for several insurance companies.
I'm on the board of directors of the professional bondsman of Texas.
I go to the legislature to, uh, uh, you know, support bills or oppose bills
to be a resource.
And, um, and I've written a bunch of articles on bail law and I've kind of
become, you know, because of my appellate, uh, uh, kind of, uh, interest.
I kind of have a legal, I look at the legal issues for the pallet world.
I mean, from the bail world.
And so I've written a lot of articles on bail reform as a result.
Well, good.
Um, so yeah, like, um, the reason, uh, Ken is with us today is to talk
about the FBI crime stats.
And, uh, we've heard a little bit about this, but we're not experts.
So it's actually great to have you here to talk about this.
Um, so tell us what's just going on in general with the, with the FBI stats
compared to, you know, what, um, is going on in the cities.
Well, um, you know, this really first came up two years ago, really, uh, in the,
you know, in the midterm elections, because, you know, there was this whole
issue about crime was increasing and it was, we were starting to see problems
in our urban areas and, uh, we had one side of the political spectrum say, no,
crime is not increasing.
Look at the FBI statistics.
And it's just a perception versus reality issue.
And I even did a debate with a representative of civil rights core,
which is this law firm that's, uh, activist law firm that's filing federal,
uh, lawsuits all over the country on bail issues and, and losing them.
Uh, but, uh, but they did it.
They were arguing the national talking points.
I really think they came from them.
Oh, it's just a perception issue.
But crime is not really increasing because, uh, look at the FBI statistics.
So here we are, you know, we just finished a presidential election and that
was the argument, but I wrote an article for the attorney law magazine,
probably a month ago now.
And in the point of it was there's reason to, to call into question the
FBI statistics and the reasons are the FBI just changed over to a new system
of reporting and gathering this data four or five years ago.
And it requires an investment of, of infrastructure or of equipment for all
the local police forces.
And so some of, and they've been slow in changing over and several of the
largest police forces in the country, LA and New York, we're not even tied
into the system.
So, you know, uh, scientists were saying, look, it's incomplete data.
And, um, and you know, there are other, uh, federal agencies that track crime,
like CDC tracks homicides and their data was showing a 20% increase
instead of what the, uh, contrary to what the FBI statistics were showing.
And then Trump was showing, was, was, uh, pointing out the DOJ surveys on
crime that they've been doing for decades.
And that survey was showing a substantial increase of crime pretty
much across the spectrum.
And we don't even have to get into all the statistics on car jacking
and stuff like that.
Uh, but, um, so I wrote that article and I was just saying, you know,
there's reason to call into question.
Well, nine days after my article was published, the FBI.
Changed their statistics.
After all these years, uh, instead of showing crime going down, it was
showing crime going up and it's still incomplete.
And so suddenly, uh, you know, the Democrats lost all of their, their one
argument, their one argument on what crime was not increasing was the DOJ.
I mean, the FBI statistics.
And so immediately they did a 180 degree turn and, and that's why they
spent the next week or two saying Trump is a fascist, Trump is Hitler.
Because they had no, they had no argument on crime anymore.
So, um, my, my experience is I lived in Chicago most of my life and I
lived in like Denver, Seattle and now Vegas.
And when they keep saying the crime is going down, I'm like, I mean, I knew
it was common sense wise that that's not even possible because I pay
attention to stuff.
I crime is a thing for me.
Um, and it being, going back to Chicago, they were caught.
Had to be like 15, 20 years ago, trying to reduce the murder rate by
saying accidental shootings or suicide or gun misfire.
And the only reason they got caught was because one of the news channels
actually spent 24 hours a day listening to police scanner and kept
really good detailed notes.
So the question I have for you is when a government entity, uh, missed,
I broke mislabel's crime.
Should there be charges against them for that?
Well, should there be consequences?
Absolutely.
You know, we have a, we have a much more current example of that out of
Houston, Texas and Harris County, like third largest county in the country.
I mean, they had a big press conference saying crime is going down, crime is going down.
And you know, there's a political incentive when you're in the
incumbent, the incumbent to say crime is going down, but then they got a new mayor.
And a month later, suddenly they had a press conference to announce that the city
police department had improperly closed over 260,000 criminal cases with the
notation lack of personnel.
And the mayor, the new mayor called that out.
Uh, well, it was after he was elected.
So yeah, I think it was a consequence of him and the police chief had to resign
ultimately.
And so yeah, it's easy to manipulate the numbers to show crime is going down
when you close 260,000 cases.
And you know, that has an impact on the FBI statistics too, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Yes, it does.
So then Houston, they have a pretty good mayor then.
Is it sounds like, is that?
Well, he's new and I would say he's finding his footing.
He's a, but he's an experienced politician and he's kind of, uh, navigating
the middle between the two parties.
He is a Democrat, but he's law and order Democrat.
Oh, good.
But he's also take no prisoners kind of, he used to be in the state Senate and
I've testified before his committee before.
And if you, you know, I've been there to testify against his bill.
And if you're there to testify against one of his bills, you're going to get yelled
at.
And so I got pretty used to being yelled at when he was proposing bills.
Good for you.
Um, so I know that crime, uh, was, was really going down in the nineties and
early 2000s.
Uh, and I was wondering if you had ever done any comparison to the modern spike
with, uh, you know, the 1980s and 1970s, uh, you know, is it, is it as bad as it
was back then, or are we still down from there?
Or, uh, you know, how does it look compared to them?
Well, we've had us, okay.
So I would like to compare what we're going through now is, as we're repeating
that cycle that you're referring to from the sixties, you know, in the sixties,
we felt more safe.
So we became more forgiving in our criminal laws.
And then as a result of that crime started to go up and then the two
political parties couldn't agree on how to address it.
What really happened is one party refused to participate in fixing the system.
And so we had a backlash.
And as a result, we had Reagan and we had the war on drugs.
And so right now we've been having that same cycle happen again.
We were, you know, in the, in the late, uh, you know, 2019, I guess, uh, 18, 17, we
were more forgiving on our criminal laws because we felt safe and we've had a huge
swing to the left.
Uh, look at what happened in California and, you know, where they decriminalized,
uh, theft under $950.
And they, they did it in a very, uh, crazy way.
They did it with, with lying to the voters, in my opinion.
And as a result of that, the current DA was defeated by 22 points in LA County.
And that proposition that the decriminalize or the effective, it was to decriminalize
theft was, uh, rolled back substantially, uh, with a new proposition, uh, in, in,
on, in, uh, the election this month by 20 something points.
So I think we're having that backlash, uh, pretty heavy right now where we're
swinging back to the right.
But the problem is, and you know, this is where the left just, uh, you know, they
just missed the mark.
They could have prevented the, the pendulum from swinging too far to the right by
moderating their position by recognizing that things were not working, but they
refused.
And so the, the, the pendulum is going to swing pretty hard to the right.
And it won't stay there very long because when it went to the left, it was
unacceptable to the public because they're, when it went too far because the
public demands public safety, but it went, when it goes too far to the right, you
know, what the demand is going to be, let's hold everybody in jail until their
case is decided in the no center to prison.
Well, the public's not going to be willing to pay for that.
Right.
So actually I would sort of touch back on that when the California law saying
this shoplifting or anything, you said 950 is not, they wanted to show up.
Chicago did that in around 2005 and they put the market at $600.
All the 24 hour stores, uh, or the late night open stores, just hire big employees.
And for some odd reason, we've had a bunch of beat up people in alleys.
I'm not back and beat the hell out of them.
Well, and the way cal, the way California is they, the referendum changed
certain felonies to misdemeanors.
And the argument was, well, they'll still, you know, they'll still have to answer
for their crime, but then, but they'll be able to find jobs because they're not
convicted of a felony, but then when they change it to a misdemeanor, the DAs in
our urban areas said, well, we're no longer going to prosecute.
So that's how they lied about it and then decriminalized decriminalized it.
Yeah.
So I've got a question on no cash bail.
Yes, sir.
What effect does no cash bail have on the crime rate?
Well, you know, you know, when you, that's a great question because you think about
it and say, well, how does the release mechanism that we use affect crime?
And it does it very much so.
Uh, and, and let me just say that we have different types of release.
We can release you on a private shirty bond.
We call it different things, different places, but let's just say on a bond
provided by the private industry, or we have something called simple release where,
uh, where you're just going to be released on your promise to come back in California.
It'd be called release on no bail.
And I mean, released on zero bail in New York, it'd be called release on zero,
a no bond.
And in Texas, it'd be called release on a personal bond.
And then, you know, cash bonds, like you, you've mentioned Chicago and Illinois.
We've had all this debate about cash.
We've got rid of cash bonds in the state of Illinois.
Well, that's a cash bond.
That's not a private shirty bond where you put up either 10% of the amount of the
bond to the court or the full amount of the bond in cash to the court.
Um, and so, uh, but, but we have the private shirty system.
We have some type of simple release and those have completely different failure
to appear rates.
So the private industry has less than a 10% failure to appear rate, like, uh,
and simple release, uh, has at least a 50 or 80% failure to appear rate.
Like, uh, I did a podcast with the DA in California.
They use simple release for all misdemeanors in California.
He said they have an 80% failure to appear rate.
Houston, Texas currently uses simple release for misdemeanors and they have
a 80% failure to appear rate over that.
According to Harris County court watch.com.
I'm looking at two years worth of data.
And when, so when you miscore your case, you know, criminal cases are unique.
They have to be put on hold until you come back.
And like in California on misdemeanor cases, there's a, there's a time limit.
You know, the clock is ticking.
So if your case isn't resolved within a certain amount of time under the speed
you try like to dismiss, so it's, it's a catch 22.
You don't show up.
They can't make you come back unless you come back on your own because it's a
misdemeanor.
And so if you stay gone, they just miss your case.
Well, so the problem is no cash bail creates chaos because the failure to
appear rate is so high, chaos creates pressure to dismiss cases.
Dismissing cases is perceived by criminals as a green light to commit more crime.
And so you think, oh, well, the way we released somebody, they didn't have an
impact on crime.
It has a huge impact on.
You see, it's funny you mentioned that because when I started to do some
research on this and almost every article said it has no impact on crime.
And I'm like, well, that doesn't make sense to me.
So, yeah, yeah.
And there's a reason why there's all these think tanks that are coming out with
studies and they really cook the books.
And it's really the effect of George, George Soros.
And there's books and many articles that are written about this, but George
Soros has a plethora of organizations that he supports.
So, and, but you can break them into four categories.
There's the group that will give you money to get you elected.
And then there's the second group after you're elected.
They get, they invite you to seminars and they give you, here's the quid pro quo.
Here's what you're going to no longer do as a DA that was supported by us.
And they're terrible things.
You're not going to ever, not going to seek enhancements anymore.
So a drug dealer found with 30 pounds of meth is going to get a two week sentence
because he's just going to be charged with possession instead of all the
enhancements and get 30 years.
And then there's the third group, which is the groups you're talking about, that
are all these think tanks that are releasing, cook the book studies that
say, Oh, you're safer for release, for releasing more people from prison.
And then the fourth group they have is PR firms that will give you press
releases that you will issue saying, I'm starting these new policies and these
studies show that they will not increase crime.
And it's all just crap.
Yeah.
Cause the reason I was bringing that up is when, uh, when I saw that the
article, all the, all of the articles saying the crime doesn't go up, I knew
of a story out of Denver or out of the Denver area where a man stole a car, got
arrested, got out, no cash, but in that afternoon got arrested again for stealing
another car.
So I want to find that story.
So I went to Google real quick, put man arrested, blah, blah, blah.
And, uh, I, I couldn't surf through all the stories.
Apparently there is a lot of people committing crimes who got out with no
cash bill to the next 24 hours.
So, you know, we were, we were keeping track.
We were looking for records of people during COVID.
And I think the record was like five, six, seven, eight times.
So I'm being arrested within 24 hours because they were just being released,
just being released.
Oh, I would try and just break the right leg.
Well, yeah.
Some of them were committing crimes, trying to break into cars, stealing cars
from the parking lot of the jail as they were leaving.
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah.
Actually, there wasn't there a Congress member who got carjacked in DC.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
There was a Supreme Court justice.
Oh, yeah.
One of them got, um, yeah.
Um, yeah, I was wondering, uh, so the discrepancies, uh, in the FBI
stats, do they only track, uh, like violent crimes or is it violent with theft?
Or is it like all crimes, like, you know, like embezzlement and other things that,
you know, maybe we don't want that kind of stuff, but it's not a danger to society.
Um, it's, well, let me make you.
Let me make two points on that.
Number one, there's a whole class of things that they track and, you know, you
have to have a certain equipment and it's automatically reported.
So, you know, if you look, want to look at the statistics, you could, you know, we
don't know whether it was nefarious that they were thinking Trump was going to win
in two weeks for the election.
They decided to change the stats or whether another police unit or police, uh,
group, uh, got the equipment and got into the system.
And then they just updated all their data.
And that's what caused the change in data.
Now, the other thing that I want to comment to you about is this, oh, well,
there's some crimes that are not really, you know, we shouldn't be too concerned
about, you know, this theft under $950 started out as that.
And let's look at the impact that's had on California.
I mean, stores are closing left and right because they can't withstand $25,000 a
day in shoplifting.
And, you know, drugs used around those areas have just become rampant because
the conjunction with that, we're no longer prosecuting something, some drug crimes.
So what's the impact of that on commercial buildings in San Francisco?
We've got buildings that have sold for 30 to 50% of their value just four years
ago.
We, in Minneapolis, that has the same problem.
We've got two buildings that sold for 9% of their value from the last time they
sold.
And we've got the commercial property default rate has gone from 5% to 40%.
And so if we say, well, are there some crimes that don't really hurt anybody,
those very crimes are fixing to impact cities, taxes tremendously on what
they're collecting, because at the very least the property values are going to
go down for their commercial properties.
But really the problem is they're closing and they're moving out because the
counties won't keep their businesses safe for people to patronage.
Well, I mean, we're a couple of libertarians here.
So like when you say tax revenues might go down, we're like, oh, let's do more of
this kind of crime.
So even, even you have to admit, for example, you know, having a squirrel, a
pet squirrel in your house, and then having the cops come and raid your house
and kill your squirrel.
And the raccoon.
I mean, yeah, and a raccoon as well.
Sorry.
That's kind of ridiculous, right?
Like the squirrel is not hurting anybody.
They're not driving down property values for anyone.
So I, but I was just wondering, instead of going hard on that point, you know,
do these stats that were these FBI staff, do they take account of that?
Or is it only certain types of crimes?
That was kind of more of the question I was asking.
You know, I don't, I know you were asking and I was trying to, you know, finesse
way in a really smart sounding way to say, I don't know the answer.
I didn't know if you would know that answer or not because it's just something
that I will say, what was the name of the squirrel?
Was it peanuts?
Peanut and friends.
One of my favorite memes that came out the week after the election was it was,
it took Lord of the Rings.
And, you know, when Gandalf was Gandalf the White, they took that and it showed
a white squirrel and it says, I am now peanut the white and I'm here at your
crucial moment and I will be with you.
And it was hilarious.
I'm always, I always make sure people bring up the raccoon because as a child,
I had a pet raccoon.
So I'm having partial to the raccoon.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I really haven't, I haven't followed that story other than
this from the standpoint of how crazy it was.
And, you know, it impacted probably a small percentage of the voters from that
area because it was, it was insulting.
I mean, we can't, we can't fight crime.
We can't hold people in jail, but we're going to, we're going to euthanize
peanut and the raccoon.
Right.
Yeah.
Hey, thank you.
This is another example of government overreach.
But so here's my question with the, with the election and, and as Trump's kind
of bringing up the cabinet and understanding there's a difference between
local and federal law, do you think Trump's going to have a big impact on
the crime rate across America?
Well, yes.
You know, one of the biggest things I think that the office of the president
does is bring a bully pulpit to issues.
Yep.
And so, uh, I mean, you can see the freak out right now by just his nominations
and, and you know, he's nominated his attorney general and there was a
tremendous freak out over who it was.
And, uh, and they're in the rumor is that that's not even going to be the biggest
freak out because he's going to nominate his FBI director probably next and that
that one is supposed to be even a bigger.
He still owns the libertarians are our person.
Yeah.
He has not confirmed that yet.
So Trump did promise that because we invited the libertarian convention and
he promised to put one libertarian on his cabinet.
So we're waiting for that.
Well, there's the speculation, uh, whether there were some speculations that I
know whoever that would be.
And, uh, and, and the reaction to just the speculation was glorious to watch.
But, um, but, uh, you know, I think that he will bring a spotlight to the crime issue.
I mean, and it, even if he doesn't, let me tell you, I've been telling people, you
know, that I know we're, we're stuck in this identity politics and the
Democrats are voting.
I mean, they're hoping that the abortion issue would save them.
But I was telling people for one election, for just one election, vote on crime.
If you vote on crime, this election, then suddenly the Democrats will go back to
be a law and order party.
And so even without, even if Trump done, you're going to see this metamorphosis,
this, this battle, this, uh, civil war and the Democrat party because crime is an issue.
Well, AOC removed all her pronouns on her ex-account today.
So I think we're moving the right direction with that.
Uh, yeah.
So we're actually both.
And, um, I remember Mayor Daly and he was no nonsense, tough on crime Democrats.
I mean, yeah.
Well, I mean, Trump had a, Trump had a huge commercial that was, that he played in
Texas, I'm sure he played everywhere, but you know, they're fighting for they, them
Trump is fighting for you.
And it was a brilliant commercial.
He answered great commercials.
So, um, I've kind of gone through all my questions.
I think, Dave, you're
I do have one more.
It's kind of a nerdy staff question and, and you might not have the answer to this
either, but, uh, it was just something that was interesting to me.
So, um, I was wondering if there's any qualitative difference, um, about the victims
of, of crime, uh, more recently.
So for example, we know that, um, most murders are committed, uh, by someone,
the victim knows, uh, is that starting to change?
Like, is it more random?
Uh, or, or is it just the same?
No, let me make two points about that on, uh, on, on murders.
We know that 50% of all murder victims in the United States currently are young
black males.
Yeah.
And by and large, the murderer of those young black males are young black males
as well.
And, you know, the, one of the things that just drives me crazy is we, in this
bell reform debate, we have flipped it and somehow we're favoring the murderer
over the victim in, in the name of social justice.
And they're both, I mean, that everybody bleeds red, but when the murderer is
murdering someone of the same race and we decide that we need to favor the
murderer over the victim, we, it's day's night and black is white and it's crazy.
But where this bell reform movement has done the most damage is in the area of
domestic violence, because, you know, let's say that you are being abused by
your significant other.
And you, and you know, I think one of the shocking things about that is probably
50% of domestic violence victims are male.
So, I mean, it's, it's not a statistics that is mostly women.
But if you decide that you want to do something about this, you want to
get out of this situation, you know, bell reform has created a situation where
you can't go to the police.
Right.
You have to one, plan your escape to plan your, uh, how you're going to live
after you've escaped and three, what's going to be your, uh, uh, set up for
giving you support.
And after all that, after, I mean, it's almost an afterthought now that you
will think about going to the police, uh, because, uh, I mean, we have too many
examples and the worst example that, that I can think of is, um, Caitlin Guajardo
out of Harris County, Houston, Texas, where her husband was, uh, arrested, uh,
for leaving the scene of an accident and got a personal bond.
So he got simple release and then he got arrested for domestic violence while he
was on that personal bond.
So he's violating the conditions of his bond by getting a new charge.
What did they do?
They turn around and gave him another personal bond and he got out and within
very short period of time, he went home and he killed his wife and he stabbed her
30 something times in her stomach because she was pregnant and he didn't want
another man raising his child.
Wow.
So we're at the point next that we've gone through all our questions and I, in
preparation for this show, I did a lot of, I was doing, trying to do some research
and I noticed you're kind of on the podcast circuit right now.
Uh, which I think is awesome.
Um, so we're being that we're libertarians.
Um, I kind of, I kind of know your view on, uh, the bail and something by
watching your other interviews.
Um, I'm more of a moderate libertarian and he's more of an anchor as libertarian.
Uh, the reason I bring this up is if you have any questions that you're, if
you're like data collecting anything and you want some, um, difference of opinion,
if you want to ask us questions and you'll see we have, we'll have very
well, I would love to talk to you about, let's talk about Oregon.
So we've got Portland, we've got Oregon where they've decriminalized almost
all heavy drugs and we've seen the terrible impact that's had, you know,
crime, uh, uh, drug use went from 6% to 12%.
And, and, but they were setting a record every month for, uh, overdoses and they
finally allowed those statutes to expire.
And so they, so they went back to their old statutes.
So what was your, I mean, what's, I know y'all,
a libertarian position is we don't, we want to decriminalize heavy drugs,
but did the Portland experience, the Oregon experience impact y'all's, uh,
thoughts on that issue?
Well, Portland is actually one of my favorite cities to visit.
Uh, because it was prior to 2020.
I've been there a couple of times since COVID.
Um, but yeah, but Seattle and Portland are kind of mirror images of each other.
And it's, it's disgusting what's happening in these cities.
Uh, and, and the one thing people don't realize in these homeless camps
are there is a sex trade.
Young women are being, they're being chained into tents and they're being
sold for, for drugs.
There was, uh, one story out of, uh, Ballard in Seattle, that a girl,
Odead three times and this final time she passed away and the reporter said,
Oh, you may know her because she would freak, she would be with this
gentleman and he would trade her for sex and drugs.
And she died at 18 and she was with him for three years.
Wow.
And that was in the paper.
And I'm like, nobody is comment.
No one's freaking out about this.
We have a confirmed 15 year old being traded for sex and drugs in the
homeless community.
Uh, when they closed the jungle, the jungle was a homeless camp under
I 90 and I five, they found, literally found women chain women and, uh,
we have women chained into tents somewhere under age and they were,
they were spiked down and changed.
So the other, the homeless crisis in this country is way out of control.
Um, so yeah, no, I, and they've destroyed two very, very good cities
that had very low crime rates before all this kicked off.
So, uh, well, I see, well, go ahead.
Well, see my position on that is, you know, you need the, uh, the hammer
of the criminal justice system on drugs.
So the threat of sending someone to prison, if they will not go to drug rehab.
So we need the hammer, the threat of prison to encourage people to go to rehab
because rehab has a 75% failure rate when you go there for the first time.
So we need to be able to send them back and back and back.
And if you don't have the hammer, I think the lesson of Portland is they won't go.
I mean, they set up all these, uh, all these programs for them to get treatment.
And they took advantage of it is 0.01% of the time.
Yeah.
So I saw it.
Oh, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I just want to answer your question from my perspective.
So when I, when I saw these decriminalization laws come out in Oregon,
I was critical of them right away because what they always do,
and this is both the left and the right, they always do this halfway thing
where they say, oh, we're going to let you use personal amounts,
but it's still illegal to sell.
So essentially what that does is it still keeps the black market there.
Yeah.
It's black market.
They're going to have low quality drugs that are laced with all sorts of things.
You know, you, you, you have no restitution if, if someone kills you, if you OD, right?
I mean, we don't, we don't see a Budweiser poisoning people, for example.
Your Starbucks is not poisoning people, right?
You can just go to Starbucks and drink your coffee in a safe environment.
And there's no stigmatism there.
And the other reality is whatever you do, people are going to do these drugs.
You're not going to stop them.
People do drugs in prison, right?
We can't keep the drugs out of prison.
So we need a whole radically new approach where, you know,
if you do a crime on drugs, yes, straight to jail, right?
No tolerance for that kind of shit.
But, but just doing drugs in your own house.
Oh, yeah.
You know, like, I really, I don't care.
I like, I don't care.
I care deeply.
I mean, I had a sister who had a car accident when in 1989, the year
I graduated from law school and she broke every bone in her face.
And she started a 30 year drug addiction to prescription painkillers.
It wasn't even illegal drugs.
You do this to you.
But, but I mean, I tried everything.
I tried to get her put in jail because the jail, I was a young attorney.
The jail was a poor man's drug rehab.
Yeah.
And we've, we've completely removed that as a possibility as the truck,
the poor people's drug rehab.
And I mean, my sister was strung out on prescription drugs for the next 30 years.
It wasn't until her husband died when I stepped in and had her declared
incompetent that we got her into an assisted living facility and they
monitored her drugs that she couldn't give them to herself.
And her last four years, there's probably the best of her life for the whole time.
And so I mean, if we give up, if we give up on drugs, you know, we're giving up on crime.
There's a book I read that said, you know, 80% of all crime can be traced
some way or another to, to drugs.
And then I would make one more comment to your thing about, you know, they
didn't decriminalize it the whole way.
And so they didn't go far enough.
I mean, look at California on marijuana use.
I mean, I read an article and I even posted it.
And then I realized that Facebook was, uh, was not allowing that to happen
right before the election.
But I did a pod, I did a podcast with the author, the legal drug drug trade.
Oh, we lost, yeah.
Are you there in California for marijuana?
Oh, yeah.
And it's been, um, it's been taken over by the cartels.
And I mean, not just shipping marijuana in, they're moving their
whole operations into California and they're bringing in workers too,
because they're not scared.
They've, we've decriminalized marijuana.
So what are you going to do when you find them on federal lands,
misappropriating the use of it to growing marijuana and they brought in
illegal immigrants to be their people?
I mean, they're, Mexico is not the only country doing that.
We've got Russia's, uh, Russian gangs or cartels and, and China,
Chinese cartels doing the same thing all over the country.
And you don't hear about it because Facebook and other social
media's are editing it out before the election.
You only the first time I heard it, other than that article I read was Donald Trump
saying it.
Yeah.
And then you came up with the apartment complexes being, uh, overrun by cartels.
And suddenly, uh, you've got the mainstream media having a complete
meltdown and going, oh, it's only a few.
It's only a small number.
And then you have JD Vance saying, are these the United States or what?
Because only one.
Yeah.
I mean, so I have a problem with that.
I mean, I think drugs are drugs.
And when you start having, um, we're going to, we're going to do it legally.
We're going to raise taxes on it.
We're going to make a whole bunch of money.
That doesn't ever happen.
It doesn't ever happen.
The money never goes where it's supposed to go.
I don't want any taxes on it, but actually Southern Colorado has the same
problem with the cartels moving in and growing there.
Cause they were the first state to legalize, officially legalized marijuana.
And the cartels, and they didn't have a, I believe when they first passed it,
they didn't have a cap on how much, how many plants you could grow.
And the cartels were coming in and growing hundreds of plants legal.
So they've never reduced that number down to kind of stop that.
Um, but yeah, I think.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
Do you have any, uh, like contact info for our viewers, uh, you know, they can
find you, uh, like a website or Twitter or whatever.
Sure.
So if you want more information on the, uh, you know, criminal justice issues,
you can go to our website, the, uh, PBTX.com, which is the professional
bondsman of taxes.
So PBTX.com, we have a blog where we highlight, uh, port and criminal justice issues.
And when we also have our own podcast called the bell post, there's a link to it
on our menu, but you can also just go straight to the bell post.com.
And if you talk about as criminal justice issues, you want to know what the
New Jersey plan is, we've got an episode on it.
You want to know what about charitable bell funds and why they're being restricted
in states, we've got multiple episodes on it.
Awesome.
Yeah.
We had to come to the interview at this pretty close because we, we don't really
do interviews like this.
So we just signed up for a basic zoom account and they're giving me a minute, 52
seconds for the shutters off.
Yeah.
But yeah, I did definitely want to thank you, uh, for talking to us.
And if you ever want to come back on again, please reach out to us.
We'll, we'll upgrade zooms.
There are other people I've talked to and we take whatever, I think you have to
take an eight minute break and then we come back on.
So yeah.
So yeah, no, this is great.
I really love talking with it.
I'm talking about this because crime is an issue for me too.
I agree.
It's, it's, it's fixed.
Well, and you know, how can we fix an issue if neither, if one side of the
electorate won't even admit it's a problem.
Yeah.
Thank you very much for having me guys.
Yep.
Thank you very much.
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