Alright, welcome to the Canary in the Cage Podcast. I'm Ron Morgan, my co-host Dave Havlicek.
We're here to entertain you, educate you and hopefully make you laugh. So what the hell
is going on in this world today?
Oh, we got a lot of fiery stuff going on in the Senate.
Yes, we do. But we'll get to that in a few minutes. So with Trump being in office and
he is coming in swinging off chainsaw, which I love so far. Yeah, I know he's free. He's
done more though in his first somebody, eight days, nine days than most presidents do in
a whole lifetime.
That's wild. I never would have expected that from anyone.
So but with Trump being in office now, and I'm kind of digging the way he's going, I took
some time to reflect on Biden.
Okay.
And the guy might have been a genius.
Yeah, why is that?
I've never seen one person encompass all three stooges into one body.
I mean,
Well, there were actually like five stooges, weren't there?
Well, no, no, no, but
Which three are you talking about?
Well, it's okay. So all five did slapstick. It's all different versions of slapstick comedy.
Sure.
You know, some would, some were the aggressor, some were the, yeah. So but he's just, he's been
able to, because I've, yeah, okay. You got Curly Joe and, and ship.
And yeah, ship and Curly Joe. No.
Because there was some, some relatives in there too. And I just, Larry Mohan, Curly and
Curly Joe were family members. I believe they were related.
Okay. I don't
I guess I should sort, I just don't believe me. I guess I, I don't know that much about it really.
But it's slapstick comedy, but they all do their own version of slapstick.
And that son of a bitch, Biden killed them all. No, I mean, come on, fallen upstairs, fallen
downstairs, ship misplaced.
Well, you know what we got to do is take a compilation of all that and like put the
cartoon sounds on it. Like, why has nobody done that yet? I haven't seen that.
I've seen the videos of like all the bullshit that he did, but not to the cartoon sounds.
And actually, if we're going to do that, we have to do, oh, what is the name of that sound?
I used to have was the ringtone. I've come up. It's the, it's the, the cartoon running.
Oh, I don't know the name of the sound, but no, but there's a name to it. I actually had to look
it up because they put us a ringtone. It's you run, but then you slide and then the frying pan sound.
So that was my ringtone for a while. And actually I was in a meeting when that happened. I'm like,
whatever, the old it.
Well, we have the soundboard here too, but we didn't program that to do that. That would be fun.
Oh, well, I think we can.
I know we have this one. We have the rimshot. Is that the rimshot? Yeah, the D. I don't know what
the other, the one of them is jazz and then I don't know what the other two are. The program
of that might be a good one. That is my favorite. The cartoon running is my favorite sound because
it was used in multiple comics. Like Fred Flintstone did it. Yeah. Yeah, they all, I mean, it was, it
was kind of not in a barbarous running sound. So I had looney tunes that used the two didn't they?
Maybe they, I don't know, maybe they didn't. Maybe I don't know. I just with copyright
laws and all that other bullshit. Well, back then it was a lot more free, you know, like,
like people didn't attack each other about that shit. Oh, I wasn't going to bring this up. So I
have no real information on this, but there was a lady in New Zealand who ordered a sandwich at a
sandwich shop and she was eating it. She bit into something hard that was an orange like
plastic thing. She bit into it. She said, what? And then she opened it up and she started recording
and it was a knife. Someone wrapped the knife up. She's the New Zealand. So all the Americans
were like, Sue, you can Sue, you can become a millionaire. And her response was, I don't want
to sue and get that idea in trouble. I just, I didn't hurt. I'm not hurt, you know. I'm like,
that's pretty much a good definition of how we are versus how some other countries are.
I'm surprised they didn't come in a roster for having a knife. I mean, in New Zealand, like.
That is true. So we have Senate hearings. Mind you, I'm a bit behind. So I'm doing an RFK
Jay. Okay. I get hurt that today. I'm sorry. RFK Jay. Yeah. Yeah. It's all there.
Him and Bernie Sanders went to lock horns a little bit and Bernie Sanders did not come out
the victor. No, he did not. So, so this is my interpretation of Bernie Sanders. Sir,
you create a company that sells onesies. You must stop selling those onesies. Well, sir, I don't
run that company anymore. I reside for no, it's my mission in life to stop the sale of onesies.
Unless you're going to make them in my size. So that's my interpretation of Bernie Sanders.
Did you, did you see the quote where he said, do you promise to negotiate something or other
like Medicare prices? Yeah. And RFK starts answering, well, Trump has said he wants to
negotiate and then Bernie cuts him off and says, well, negotiate a big one though.
And RFK is like, it's the word you literally just used. I can't do any interpretations
of anybody except Bernie Sanders. Cause it's got to bring your shoulders up and just talk like this.
So Bernie Sanders, there don't know Robert RFK Jay fucking nailed his ass. He's like,
I did, I, it's something about taking donations. Yeah. And remember,
RK Jay goes, well, you know, you are the, the number one senator taking the most money from the,
from a soup from big pharma. I did not take money from big pharma. And he was trying,
he kept trying to talk over RFK Jay. And he goes, no, you took 1.5 million, blah, blah, blah.
He just kept talking and we're not going to, this is not for discussion now.
You know, here's what I don't understand. Like, are these Democrats trying to get these guys
confirmed because like, by sending the most extreme retard people, like Senator Warren and
Bernie Sanders and like you're making the, the Republican rhinos be like, oh, maybe I like these
guys. So you know that there's a saying that the shot hurt around the world. Yeah. I actually
forget what war that were, what they were, where they were reference. I forgot. I mean, it's not
a big deal. But this is like the, the mass exes of the Democrat party around the world.
It's like they're going to be stuck with their trans people. They're blue-haired people. That's
the young people that dye their hair blue, not old people. I don't want old people harassing me.
So this is like, kind of, to kind of change the subject a little bit, this is our chance as
libertarians to just fucking take over. Oh, what? Take over anything. So we're going to,
anything, whatever we can. So I picture this, where we're holding the line and Chase Oliver's
got the sword on him. No, no, no, not Chase Oliver. We're following Chase Oliver. Not Chase
Oliver. Well, but he's our, he's our head of the party. No, I don't get it. No, he's not. Yeah, he is.
No, he's not. We will not have this discussion. Angela McCarticle is the, then McCartie.
Then she just bailed ship. She's like, fuck the libertarians. I'm going to hit pay and
the Republican party. That's taking something over. What are you talking about? What are you
talking about? She, that's literally what I just said. It's our chance to take over.
Wait, she even realized the libertarian party is not what it used to be.
That is not what she did at all. You are retarded. She also proved that we are the
farm team for the Republican party. You are literally retarded. So, okay, let me give you,
because we are literally, every time you do the retarded and stupid line, let me give you an
analogy of what I think was going on here. So imagine us don't, and don't interject because
I know what you're going to say. You and I are in a gunfight. Okay? And you run out of ammo,
and you start throwing all your guns at me. This is, when you're, I look at that, the
retarded word, the stupid word, that's you just like, less dis, it's when you say something that's
so goddamn retarded that you obviously didn't think about for five seconds. It's like you have
this knee jerk reaction that you have to be right, that you don't think you just throw shit at the
wall and think it's going to stick somewhere. So that's when I call you retarded.
She libertarian? Yes. Is she on the libertarian chair? Not anymore. Was she just resigned? Oh,
and she went to where? Allegedly, she's joining the Trump campaign. There's a few other rumors out
there. I'm not, I'm not getting into those, but even she bailed with the libertarians. No, she did
not. Okay, so, okay. You don't understand what she's doing. Hold on. If, oh, yeah, there's a master
plan here. Yes, there is. But you're by nobody ever master plan. Nothing what I said. That's not what
I said. I said the vast majority of people are stupid and can't make plans. Okay, so, and there
are people that can, and those are the people we need on our side. So, okay, so let's, let's, let's,
let's walk this down the road a little bit. She leaves her chair at the libertarian party. Right.
And she goes to work for the Republican party. Okay. That's what happened, but that is one of the
rumors, one of the rumors. Right. Is she going to be a Republican or a libertarian? She's going to be,
well, okay. When you say those words, what is those words? Is she going to be a member of a party
or is she going to be a philosophy? Are you talking philosophy or party? Because it's not the same
thing. Have we ever talked philosophy on this? Yes. Okay. Ron, okay. Ron Paul was a member of the
Republican party. Yes. But he's a libertarian. Okay. I, there's no question about it. I think Ron Paul
is amazing. I love listening to him talk, but the reality is he did not progress the libertarian
movement. He's a libertarian. And yes, he did. That's bullshit. We can have, it's not worth this
argument on the show. Ron, the stuff that you're saying Trump is so great. Didn't I, okay, did we
have this conversation like two weeks ago? I said, I said, Ron Paul saying he's a libertarian is like a
vegan eating a fake hot dog. No. Or we're in pleather. No. Oh, no, it is because. No, it's not. Run
as a libertarian. Here's the retargeting again. Here's the retargeting again. Libertarian means
advancing liberty. It doesn't mean you have an L next to your fucking name. I don't care what your
fucking label is. I don't care what the government says on your fucking form is. I care what your
philosophy is, how you act, what you're promoting. Ron Paul is a libertarian. And all the things
that you're liking Donald Trump about, Ron Paul was saying 20, 30, 40 fucking years ago. Yes. Yes.
That's why he's a libertarian. As a Republican. No, when he was in the libertarian party too.
How does that, okay, so Ron Paul right now, how does he progress the libertarian movement for the
libertarian political party? He's done his job. He's done. He's old and like ready to croak. Okay.
Let him have his fucking final golden year. In the history books. It's going to say Ron Paul and
it's going to say Republican. I don't care. No, okay. I don't know. So, so why did you run for
office the last time as a libertarian? What? What's the question? You ran for office, right? Yes.
Why did you run for office? To help the party. Help the party? How? What do you mean? How to, to get,
well, for one thing, we need to retain ballot access. Right. So we can keep running in the future.
True. And the other thing is to just keep that flame alive. Yes. So that we can get the word out.
Yeah. Keep the movement going. So if you're now, if you go, if you go up to the, if you get called
up to the Republican party and you're now running as a Republican, there's an R next to your name.
Okay. No. So? How was that helping the libertarian party? We can't get faster than a percent. I don't
care about the party. I care about liberty. Okay. You have this bizarre fucking,
okay. Here's the thing. You are acting exactly like the Chase Oliver fans. If you go on X and
follow their accounts, which I don't, I muted a lot of them. So you have, you have a detailed
knowledge of them. Because I was following them before the convention. Oh, wait, wait, what? Yeah.
You followed them before the convention. Yeah. So you knew what Chase Oliver was. They weren't talking
about that. You're, you're training the subject. No, no, no. If you listen to them on Twitter,
they all have the same obsession as you with the party. Like they will literally set liberty on fire.
They will literally throw people in concentration camps if there's an L next to the fucking name.
They're that fucking party. So stand and fight for the L. No, I don't care about the L. I care
about liberty. I care about real things in the real world. So now when I say what I'm going to say,
I'm going to say Ron Paul was, I forgot the word. He was, he was the same alone in this situation.
Most people are going to fold to the pressure of the Republican Party. Okay. So if they're
trained to switch over, they're going to fold. Do you think I'm going to fold? Do you think the
Republican Party is going to knock on your door? Of course they're not, but you gave the example
that they did. No, I'm actually referring to Angela at this point. I actually thought you were
smart enough to figure that out. No, you said you pointed at me and said if they call you,
no, I'll get crayons. If you pointed at me and said if they call me, no, I said, no, I was,
yes, you did. It's on tape. We're going to fucking roll it back. The Numerial Challenge,
what did Ron say? Because I don't fucking know what I said. But the reality is, it's, it's to me,
it's about progressing the libertarian party. Fuck the party. The Republican Party.
Fuck the party. Will fucking destroy any libertarian. No, they won't. No, they won't.
Okay. So let's watch it. Let's, let's, let's watch Angela see how she does. Dude, like you are
nuts. They haven't destroyed Trump. With Trump. Okay. Trump is destroying them. He kicked out the
rhinos except for the last few fucking McConnell and these other idiots. So a couple of times in
a lifetime, people come forth and he has, he has won. That's what we're trying to do. But he is not,
he has no direct connection to the libertarian party. Yeah, actually he does. He, he's spoken
No, no, no, no, no. No, you don't, you don't, no, I didn't. Well, I booed him when he said stupid
shit. I booed, that's, that's fair. No, no. Angela's last act as chair was to give Donald Trump
a lifetime membership to the libertarian party. Now, I don't know if he accepted it or not.
He didn't accept it. I don't, I don't know if he's allowed. Do you want to accept it? No.
I don't know if he's allowed to accept it. Well, I don't think, because he's a Republican.
Right. I don't think he's allowed. But, but because the Republicans wouldn't allow it.
They don't have any control over it. They have rules. What's they're going to do? Kick him out
of fucking president? He's already the president. Okay, so he's going to go ahead and sign up
with his libertarian party. What, what are they going to do to him? He's already a lame duck
president and he can't run again. Yeah, but he ain't like duck. He, you know what I mean by the word.
Because it's really funny, that term is being redefined or arguing about right now,
because he is getting shit done. He is forcing. Right. And there's nothing they can do about it.
He can say I'm a libertarian now. He can say that. I mean, that's, that's what he wants to.
Well, if he wants to get rid of the income tax, that's fucking libertarianism.
The shit he's doing is very libertarian. Some of it.
Most of it. I'll be fair. Most of it. Okay. So I was going to get this later. So Trump came out
today and gave a speech about the horrific plane crash last night. And it's like, but.
Well, which one? The one over DC? There was a second plane crash last night? There was an F-34.
Well, yeah, there's an F-35. It wasn't a passenger. Two days ago, a Boeing had to do a belly landing.
No, no, there was an F-35 in Alaska. Oh, but I think that was that yesterday, the day before.
I don't remember. But honestly, if I say the plane crash last night, everybody but you goes, oh,
yeah, it was horrific. But you're like, well, technically there was an F-35 for the pilot
ejected and it's just fun to the ground and we saw. I don't know which crash you're talking about.
Everybody else does. So we're just going to go Dave right now.
Different than him.
He came out and he presented the facts that he knew. I'm not saying he gave every fact up
because as president, he's got to hold something back. But he, you know, is it the military's
problem? Is it FAA? It's definitely not the plane. And people are like, even a co-worker goes, oh,
Trump is out there blaming the military. And this I go, no, what Europe said is,
Trump is out there telling the truth and actually answering questions. And you're freaked out because
you've never seen a politician do that before. And no, and I give him credit for that because
my example is, if you want to talk about presidents giving information out, now that plane
crash was last night. Dude, Trump was on X just going kind of crazy like he does. And then this
morning he came out and he just, you know, he, the speech was good. It was a little weird bumps
in there. But what are you going to do? But with the other administration, all they would do is come
out and go, well, the FBI is looking into it. We'll get back to you. So my question is,
the Francis Key Bridge, the investigation with the FBI, did we ever hear anything about that?
I thought they did, but it kind of got buried, you know, like on page three. And I didn't really
read the article. So they didn't read anything. And then the drones, oh, the drones. They got,
they gave us the answer to that. Did you hear that answer? I heard the answer was, it was just
an FAA approved. Right. I don't know if they got into the details. No, that's all they said. But
I'm like, well, that would have been easy for Biden to say, but he didn't. I'm not saying Trump's
line, he may be being misled or maybe it was just FAA guys out having drone wars. So I don't know
if you guys heard that alarm, but that means it's time to do the Monero Challenge. Monero Challenge,
really? Oh, we're gonna spin the wheel? Yes. All right, let's get to the wheel. Here we go.
All right, it's time to spin the wheel to win Monero. Yes, it is. So, yeah, last week, we had
the challenge, give us our IP address from our website, and we had six people do that.
Oh, they actually got it. Six people got it. Well, that was a relatively easy one.
Yeah, but nobody can hack the IRS and delete, delete, delete. Look, we got your IP address,
good. All right. So first name Al McGuest, A L M A. A L M A G E S T. G E S T. Okay, next name,
I'm A Y N. Then we got a new one, Inkstain, I N K. You gotta ask that guy what that means. I'm
gonna actually do that because I don't know. I've known him for several years. Oh, you have? Yeah.
I worked with him at the payday loan company. Oh, so he's a pre-tortured lender as well.
Okay, it was one of the correct to ink stand. Oh, that's weird. Okay, next is Oliver Chase with a
capital O. And next we got capital R capital N. He's the one that designed our stickers. So,
get those stickers guys, they're going fast. We just sent them out to Washington DC to one Thomas
Massey. Well, yeah, but did we are we harassing him or are we actually the letters in the mail? Okay,
none that can do it. It's gone. The government did it. We just put it in the box and it got to DC.
Okay, and last but not least, this is from the YouTube comments,
since we started telling people now more. So, we have a YouTuber that left a comment. Was it
negative? No, it was good. It was, well, how do I solve the channel? Like, where do I submit the
answer? And yeah, I've never seen a positive comment on YouTube before. Well, there you go. So,
this is Scandi Tiger 88 and that's going to be capital S. S C A N D I. I messed up.
C A N D I Tiger 88. That's E. That's E. All right. E. R. Yeah. E and A. I sure hope you were born
in 1988 because otherwise using that number is a big no no. It is not. I was graduating high school
and I can legit use 88. 88. You know, like, I asked talk to you long musk about it. I
anyway, let's spin the wheel. All right, what do we got going on here? Here we go.
Don't fuck up the button this time, please. Here we go. They fucked it up again. You got to hit
it soft, not hard. Like, you're pounding it. Kind of like I would do to you. Oh, Scandi Tiger 88,
the new guy. Hey, all right. From YouTube. From YouTube. We're already getting dividends. Still
shocked we're on YouTube. All right, Scandi Tiger. Like I mentioned, you have to contact us. We will
not be telling you that you won other than right here and now. Yep, we are going to hide from you
the best we can. You have until the next week's episode is uploaded. All right, try and find this,
dude. All right, Scandi Tiger, you got the monero, but you got to track us down. That's right. We're
not coming to you. And before we move on, we're going to do this week's challenge. So we have a
guest later today. And the challenge is you have to go to one of his websites that he mentions and
there will be on the result or the show page. And just quote some of the text on one of those pages
and just you know, give me enough to go on that I can verify it. Yeah, you should watch and there
you go. That is I like that. Kind of making sure people watch our show. Exactly. So visit our guests.
So yeah, exactly. Yeah, definitely want to support our guest. So now we got the give back to the
Senate chow and the senators. What is Pocahontas? What's her real name again? Warren. Warren. But
yeah, we've spent on her. Her daddy is we found out who's paying her bills. Didn't we know that already?
I mean, we can all presume but man, is she shilling for the fucking big pharma? Of course. Man, I
I'm looking at this and it's not just her. This other one's doing it too. I'm like, do you guys
realize you're on you're being recorded and you're you're yeah, are you sticking up for Americans?
Okay. Yeah, you are. But only the ones who work for big pharma. What about the rest of us?
Standing here at all. I'm like, how dumb are you guys? They they they're still living in like the
the late 80s where this was on C span at four in the morning and nobody watched it.
Man, like it's just the more these talks go on. John Federman was right. Yeah, we do not
send our best and brightest to DC. Nope. Now, is he one of them? Yes, he is. I think he knows it
and he's happy with that. Yeah. He's like, I got six years. I'm gonna I gear to you gonna run again.
Oh, maybe you will. I was a Republican. That might be switched over. Maybe. Well, I mean,
if he was a true blue collar worker, I could honestly say I believe he would switch over. I
just don't know if he is. I don't know what his career was prior to being. I know he was a mayor.
He was a mayor. Yeah, he was a mayor of the dog park. No, some town in Pennsylvania and he got in
trouble. Oh, did he like shoot somebody or was it a gun issue with him? I don't think that was it.
I think it was just like he was kind of being a dick about parking spots, like having like civilian
cars towed or some shit like that. I don't remember specifically. So we don't know the full story
about much later. Now, I'm gonna make I'm gonna make a statement right now that no matter how
bad he was as a mayor, he's better than Karen Bass. She was or or or or or Brandon Johnson. How
about that one? Holy fuck, this guy, man. Yeah. Okay, did you see the news today about him? Oh,
no, there's actually news about him. Dude, the FBI raided his offices or something. And like,
he has a gift room that like he didn't let them in. I don't know how he had authority to not let
maybe it wasn't a raid or something. It was like a consensual, you know, run through or something.
I don't know that details because I didn't. Again, I just read the headlines. I don't read the
fucking article. But he has a room where his bribes go. And like, it's just like a big Scrooge
McDuck treasure room. Scrooge McDuck. He literally called it his gift room.
What the fuck? Chicago. What the fuck is going on? Man, we're not gonna get into it.
No, but Karen Bass came out today and she wants, I'm starting to get the proper wordage here. I don't
want to watch the fucking speech again, but when they rebuild the Palisades in a more equitable
and environmentally stable, okay, sustainable way. Yeah, which means I won't rebuild it at all.
So is that California 2.0. You know what she's talking about? Is that is that Blackboard? That's
what this has been saying. Like the fire started, like it was like this big. Yeah. And there were
Sream that were this big. Yeah. And he's like, I got a plan for California 2.0. Well, dude,
it's just some trees or some bushes, but you got a plan to rebuild California.
So yeah, so that just tells me that they're gonna black rock take over the whole fucking
area. I also heard California is threatening to secede. See you later. Goodbye. No, my favorite
one is, well, bye. Yeah. It's a tombstone thing, but movie tombstone. No, I know.
Actual like tombstone thing. The Democrat party would never let it happen.
A Democrat will never win presidents they ever give without California. True.
I mean, they have no choice. They have no say over it. Well, bye. Get out. Yeah. Oh, wait, wait,
hold on. We got to buy some more wall. No, I used to do a joke. I think I said it in the pockets
before. I don't mind a wall if it starts in Texas and ends in Oregon on the Oregon coast.
Block them out. We're done with them. Keep your fucking Hollywood pedophiles. Oh,
so you see the thing I posted? This is actually, it's just funny to me.
But they, okay, I went all crazy. It looks like. So they made
Mel Gibson, the ambassador to Hollywood, and it's his job now to root out the pedophiles.
So I put only a John Glover, Danny Glover is his partner. And then I go, well, let me go,
I was going to go like make a meme of them and I googled like, Leader Weapon. Yeah.
Leader Weapon's part of it's an actual thing. Oh yeah, of course. No, no, they're all old and
shit. Of course. So this, so this should turn into like the go off the pedophiles. So apparently
these are five is we got, we got a fifth lethal weapon coming out. I'm too old for this shit.
I'll still watch it. Oh, and then we got them. Okay, so let's address the, the, the, the
illegal workers in this country. Okay. One, a lot of, a lot of the ones were,
all the ones so far were deported are not the farm workers. Right. It's all been criminal so far,
which that's, well, well, criminal is you cross the border. No, no, no, no, that's not true.
That's fine. That's fine. Okay. So, so these, I believe in this is going to go and go probably
late millennial or early Gen Z. They're like, what? We have to pick our own vegetables? This is
going to, it's kind of like the price of stuff. I'm like, oh, you got to mow your own lawn? You
got to pick your own vegetables? You got to clean your own house? Really? And, and you're okay with
a company taking advantage of illegal by underpaying them so you don't have to do any of that yourself?
See, like the thing is, if we didn't have all these government interventions,
right, fair enough, a lot of those jobs would still pay less, but all the things in our life
would cost less. Right. And there wouldn't be such a thing as illegals. So whoever did that job would
be whoever was the, like it would probably be a teenager, right? When we were young, right, you
would have kids come over and mow the lawn for $5 or day of paper routes or something that you
don't see anymore when you go to the movies and usher. There's no such thing anymore. Full service
gas doesn't exist anymore. Actually, no, what Oregon it does because they force you. Yeah,
in New Jersey it does. Well, one of them stopped. I believe it was Oregon, but, you know, but even
here, like the gas that you demonstrate, they'll pump your gas for you. But it's, but you're right.
I, what, what office not does not make an anomaly, does not make it, you're wrong.
No, but all these jobs will come back and there'll be all these other new jobs because, because people
don't want to do this shit, but they don't want to pay minimum wage to do it either. So if we
break that down into different, and I don't want to get into the full detail here, but the reality
is, let's go to the construction site. Yeah. We need to keep hiring Americans at construction sites,
but they don't do that anymore. No, no, no, no, no. I don't care what side of line you're born on.
Okay. Why doesn't matter? Because we need people to know how to build houses.
Okay. That's a better way to say it. Well, no, but you need to learn, but you start as a laborer,
like I did, pick it up, cut the two by four, toss them in the, and then I, then I think I'll,
being born on a different side of a line doesn't change that. Hey, you pick up those two by fours
really well, why don't you try putting a piece of a nail through two, two by fours, if you have
a wall. Okay. So then I learned to build a wall, then I learned to build trust, is it okay?
Okay. Enjoying the, but being born in America has nothing to do with that.
Um, it's because if you're illegal, they will underpay you and they will, and then,
and then, that's what I said, like you would have to get rid of all these different,
the whole of workers gets filled, because they could abuse the illegals. Right.
My problem with this is we abuse illegals and that's a fucking wrong. So you can go watch
the line. So, so if you're on this side of the line, you don't get abused. If you're on this
side, you get abused, but I'm not talking about abuse. I'm talking about get rid of the, the
unfair regulations that allow that situation to develop. No, I agree. I mean, Ron Paul just said,
let's just get our country back to start again. We won't care who's here. Exactly. And I, I've
always honored that. Well, I honored that up until 2020 when Biden's like, Hey, the borders are open.
Come on in. I'm like, no. So we don't want to be telling people this and that. We don't want to
be encouraging. We don't want to be getting welfare. We just want to say, here's a job.
Whoever wants to do it, get your ass over here and do it. So yeah. And to prove my point is I had
a meeting yesterday with, um, uh, he's, he's Mexican, but he's, he's, he's born, he's, I think he was
born here, but he's one of the bigger house framers in town. Okay. And he's spent, he's,
was it started a cleaning company, like a porter service for his daughter. So I met with him and
I'm like, well, this is, you know, I kind of give him my advice and stuff like this. And then the
conversation came up. I'm like, well, you do realize that when ice comes to Vegas, shit might change.
And they're like, yeah, we're kind of looking at that. And I go, I go because I don't know if the
videos are true in Texas. We're all the construction sites, the Mexicans just aren't showing up.
That's why I saw that. Or you can watch the video where they're hiding, which is fucking hysterical.
They're like inflexible duckwork to the wall. And then there's a guy that has the, they're not
going on his door. They're like, sir, are you an American? Yes, I am. He's very Spanish. And he,
they're talking, he's like, say this word, say this word. How many points is scored in a football
thing? Six. Okay. Say Walmart. Say Walmart. And they kick the door. Dude, don't talk to cops. I
don't care if you're legal, illegal, whatever the fuck, don't talk to cops. Well, this is more
tongue in cheek. But so, so when I told the people, I go, Hey, if ice does show up in Vegas,
just tell your Mexicans that are working for you. So blaring country music.
And have them like, you know, getting into a little bit, cut the big Mexican music,
get country music going. I used to drive right by you guys. So,
enough of that. Unless you got something else on the internet.
No, no, I mean, like, yeah. So I posted a meme that somebody made and it's from what,
without papers, pizza, sure. I don't know if he made the meme, but whoever made it, God bless you.
Because they're going after raging against the machine. Yeah, fuck those guys. I never liked
their music anyway. You know, I like their ambiance. I like their, their, their feel back in the 90s.
And it made it look like they were really something people that they're going to affect
change. We're going to make change happen. And then they got old and COVID kicked in. They're like,
Oh, no, Max and Max and boosted and we don't want you. We're now, we're now working for that. We
are now the machine. Yeah. So fuck you rage. I'm done with you guys. You guys showed your true
colors. You were fucking, Oh, what's that word? I can't think of it. You're, you're a basic
bitch is the entire time. They're one of the rare instances where they, they make shitty music and
they have shitty opinions. Because I always find like, when I, when I find an artist or
musician that has good opinions, I'm like, man, that guy sucks though. I just can't, I can't listen.
They were a bit poppy. I mean, back in the 90s, I didn't really get into like, knowing the difference
between poppy and not poppy and like, what I just enjoyed music. But the more you, the older I get,
I'm like, Oh, that was fucking pop music. And they, at this point, they were pop. Yeah. Corporate,
post punk. Yeah. And then J.D. Vance started a trend of, I don't really care, Margaret.
It's like literally started trending though. And it was just him,
talking to a reporter, just asking stupid questions. Did you, did you watch anything that I posted?
I scroll past it. Did you see the Donald Duck thing? I didn't watch the cartoon though.
So basically, I remember seeing that a long time ago. Oh, you do? Okay. So I didn't know this.
Disney was like, apparently working with the government. They said it's propaganda. So
Patriot to pay taxes. Of course. I will disagree with that right here right now.
Did you know that there's a banned Donald Duck up? Was it Donald Duck? I think it's Donald Duck,
they had very racist depictions of Japanese people, because that was okay.
Right. Racist and cartoon in the 60s and 70s? Yeah. Sambo? Really? What?
But they have some banned cartoons, but if they're on YouTube, so look them up if you're interested.
I mean, if you look at Disney now, and you think of it in a sexual manner, I'm like,
what the fuck? But even like Nick, uh, Nickelodeon, um, SpongeBob SquarePants?
Yeah. You know anything about that? I know of it. So back in the 90s, my kid was before school and stuff.
SpongeBob or Squiggly said, see you next Tuesday. And I didn't know what that meant.
Okay. Again, 90s. What was the 90s, dude?
Does it mean see you next Tuesday? You know what that means? See you next Tuesday. I don't.
So see as in the letter C. Okay, I got it. I got it. Interesting.
Now, was that on purpose? Are you sure that was on purpose? How can it not be? I don't know.
See you next Monday, see you next Wednesday, see you next Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I remember
watching running Stimpy when I was young, and that show was fucked up. Holy shit, man.
Yeah, cartoons follow a whole different role, and I love it. Here's the other one. I picked,
I picked this meme, it's not meme, it's just a news article. The only reason
I put it posted this was the husband's response. Oh, did you bother reading this?
Yeah, I saw it. So there was a family, I believe in Texas.
Now, is it real? Was this confirmed? Or just a meme?
I don't know, and I don't care because it made me laugh. And if it is fake or if it is real,
no one's life is changing any other way except theirs if it is real. So basically in Texas,
a gunman broke in holding a family hostage, and the wife says, well, I decided to give the guy a
blowjob to distract him so my husband could knock him on the noggin, and that's what they did.
Sure, good, fake or real, don't care, it's funny. So, but wait, there was actually,
there was another point where she said, he definitely, she goes, while I was doing it,
I found out he definitely wasn't a minute man. But then, and so it was basically,
it was an article just talking about that. And then the response was, Jennifer's husband Raymond
only had one thing to say about the ordeal. She's never given me head like that, but we will be
talking about it later. For now, I'm just glad our children are safe. So if it's a real story,
awesome Jennifer, great job, you're taking your family. If it's fake, whoever made it up,
comedy genius, better than Biden because I was fucking bullshit. Biden's not a genius in any way,
shape or form. He's just a fucking stooge. And then we know Trump turned on the water,
was that last week or this week? That was last week, yeah. Yeah, so I don't know how it got to
the top. Massive. Yeah, I posted that one. Yeah, you did that fucking thing. That's really cool.
What else do I want to talk about Bernie Sanders? On our X-to-counter, it's Bernie
Sanders getting embarrassed by JFK. RFK Jr. Fuck. My school trained me so well. JFK, JFK, JFK, JFK.
JFK, JFK. I wake up screaming at night, JFK. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? I
don't know. But RFK did say he goes, a year ago, you guys were all my friends. I don't know what
you're doing to me now. Oh, shit. Did you see his running mate? Nicole? Yeah, she came out,
fucking swinging a baseball bat. She's just like, hey, I've personally given a bunch of people money
to run for the Senate. And these are the names. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. If you ever want to
see this again, you will support RFK. What? He has to be nice. Wow. I don't. Yeah. I'm like,
oh my God. Let's get this like, Trump needs to pick her up as well. Because his press secretary,
man, she's like 28 years old. She's doing a good job. And she's just fucking killing it up there.
Well, here's, I'm surprised you didn't bring this one up. Lift is being sued. Did you see that one?
Okay, bullshit. What the fuck? No, I tried posting a meme on this. X would not let me. Really? Dude,
okay. Seriously, when this fat girl who can't fit in the backseat of a car wants to sue lift,
that's what memes are made for. Yeah. I mean, if there's any, any definition of what memes are
made for, this is it. So what I did was I wouldn't found, okay, I initially started looking for the
picture of Homer, Fat Homer Simpson. Yeah. Because he gained weight to work at home. Yeah. And they
had to extract it from his house. Yeah. And they had a back of a tow truck. Yeah. While they're
hosting it, I could not find that image. So I can find that. Good luck. I know. I know exactly
where it is. Go find it. The next image that comes to mind is the pickup truck told the fat lady on
a scooter. So I take that picture. And it may be because I went, you know, hashtag lift. Maybe
they haven't been I don't know. Oh, don't put hashtags on our X account. Oh, that that's what
gets a shadow band. Oh, I think you were calling the person out though. So they would see it.
It did. Do you want to have a fucking like hard on against hashtags because I put a few last week,
and then I noticed like our engagement just dropped off a fucking cliff. Okay. And I'm like,
dude, like it was one fucking post and I was doing the uncaged your brain. I'm done. I'm doing
more. Just don't do the hashtags. So I was so I put this. So there's a pickup truck told a fat
lady on a scooter up behind the truck. I put hashtag lift, avoid the lawsuit, do the right thing,
start lift XL. I put that mimic. Have you found that picture yet? I can't do it with no
means not here. No, it's no, I searched, I searched everything. I went to the episode. I got
this. There's a website that has literally every single frame of the first 18 seasons that I didn't
know. But I still I bet it's removed. I would just have to go and find the episode and then and then
don't do it. No challenge. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
she's gonna win her lawsuit. She's gonna win. She's gonna win. How do you figure? Because in
Michigan where this happened, they actually have weight as a protected class.
Yeah, but Trump, but okay, let's walk down that road. So with this accident last night, it's
horrific. But Trump called out the FAA for DI hiring. Right. And people are bringing up what
they were looking for. They said, if you're visually impaired, you can apply. Oh, nice.
What the fuck does that mean? I'm visually impaired. I have glasses. No, no, but I mean,
the list of shit, I'm like, what the fuck? Oh, but wait, sorry. This picture here,
you see this? That's what the radar people look at. Yeah, I thought it was fake. So what's that
picture there? I don't know if you can see it. Look, it's on our X account. Tell me that doesn't
look like a poorly drawn sick figure with a baseball bat, but we're ready to fucking hit one
of those planes or helicopters. That's where I thought it was. I thought somebody did that and
they were gonna, they were gonna like, pump the helicopter right out there. And I'm like, well,
should they didn't do that? Why, why do they draw the sick figure for? That's what they look at.
So, so let me phrase it the different way. When you're flying in an airplane, you're coming into
any airport and this is what the fuck they're looking at. Keep you from dying.
Seriously. I don't know. But okay, let's do a quick talk about the crash last night. Okay.
I'm just gonna say sometimes accidents are accidents, which is weird because I typically go
conspiracy route. I'm trying to ignore a lot of that stuff. Here's your phone. No, no, that's on
the same episode. No, no, no, I found other pictures of the episode. He's on the scale.
I guarantee you it'll be in here when he was climbing the hill.
All you gotta do is click on one and then, dude, shut up. All you gotta do is click on the fucking
frame and then scroll through the episode. Fine. It's not there. I'm telling you it is. Okay. That's
why. So, you know, ha, keep talking. He's distracted me. So they really need to upgrade their monitors.
So, yes, they've already admitted the FAA. There was staff shortages in the control tower.
Who's the new guy for the military? Heads, heads.
Kexeth?
Yeah. That guy said, okay, so the ceiling for a helicopter flying through that area is 300 feet.
Okay.
The helicopter's at 350, 450 feet.
Okay.
I'm trying not to be a, I'm serious, I'm serious.
Somebody also said that their beacons were turned off.
Yeah, but I heard that too, but it's right. I mean, but that's the thing. It's right here.
Yeah, I don't know. I guess.
So, the PAT 25 is the helicopter. Okay.
Because PAT 25 is a, it's the code for the people that deliver the VIPs.
Okay.
So, it had to be turned on and then the CA, the crash avoidance,
since you're starting to go off, I would think a Black Hawk could avoid missiles being shot at it.
Right.
Missiles move faster than big-ass planes.
Right.
Now, who was piloting the plane, or not the plane, the helicopter?
Okay. Well, it's funny. You brought that up.
They have said it was a pilot who's been flying since 2019.
Oh, did he die?
Yeah. No one survived this.
Okay.
More than likely, no one survived the trip to the ground.
Okay.
I don't know how to word that any other way.
Right.
They probably all died instantly.
Yeah, this, yeah, whatever.
But they're now coming out with, they have technology, and they brag about this technology,
that they can do remote flying of a helicopter.
Probably.
I am not saying that, no, they've actually, they've actually done videos of it.
Okay.
So, they could turn helicopters into kind of like a drone.
Right.
I'm not saying that's what happened. I don't know. I really just, I'm just watching the news,
and I'm not making my any conclusions right now.
I'm just going to say accidents happen, and it's a shame when they do.
Because it's disgusting, this is horrible.
Doesn't seem like an accident.
Oh, shit. So, you're a bore of the conspiracy side of it.
I mean, how do you, how do you accidentally, like, there's a video, someone caught it on video, right?
Oh, the dash cam?
Yeah, I think it was, I don't know what it was, but it was a video.
Yeah.
And like, you see the plane, I think it was coming towards them, so it looks like it's not moving,
right? It's just hovering along. And then you see the helicopter on the left,
and it's just like, be lining right for it.
Never broke the light that the planes were.
We're like, how is that an accident? Well, like, what are you flying at?
So, there's two videos that I think you can't not see the fucking plane.
Well, no, okay. So, there's a defense to that, but I'll give that.
So, there are two videos that are out there. One is from like, a security camera off one of the
government buildings, and the other one is a guy driving to the airport, his dash cam,
I mean, literally call it.
Okay.
Now, it was a family in the car. At this point, I'm really thinking the guy driving when,
why the fuck was I playing music for my children? Because it was like a really like child song,
and like a happy song, and then the plane blows up. It's just, it's just poor timing, you know.
But so, apparently the black hawks, black hawks, helicopters are made to look at the ground.
Okay.
So, they're designed to watch the, well, because they're helicopters that are looking for
places to land, people to shoot, people to kill, and-
Why would the pilot be doing that though?
Well, but he made, okay, so the plane was coming in, was descending to land.
Okay.
I, and they were short one person, because it's supposed to be four people on there,
there were only three, and they acknowledged seeing a plane, but they think it was a plane
that was taken off, not the plane that was landing.
Black Hawk has a pretty damn big fucking field of view.
Is that the, is that the black hawk?
Yeah, well-
Yeah, I'm trying to avoid the conspiracy in this one right now, so don't throw me shit like that.
My conspiracy brain is just going to spiral out of control.
I don't see why you would not have vision in front of you to see a fucking plane that you're
going right at. It just doesn't make any sense.
I'm going to let this play out. I don't like doing my conspiracy stuff with death that's involved.
I mean-
Well, no, I mean-
What else are you going to do with it?
I know people that had family members or friends that died 9-11,
so I avoided my 9-11 conspiracies, because I don't want to, because I'm very passionate,
very loud, and very obnoxious. I don't want to be getting into the rant where it was the Israel,
Jewish people controlling the plane was remotely-
Wouldn't you think those people would want to know the reality of what happened?
Is what I say really reality though?
Most of the time, no.
If anybody believes in anything that I say-
You're like Alex Jones, right? You say 90% of the time you say dumb as shit ever,
but then that 10%, you're like, holy fuck, this guy's got everything.
So let's go to Alex Jones things. Do you really think that I'm like Alex Jones?
Yes.
Okay, why?
Because you have- well, the mannerisms first fall.
Okay.
Like the loud boisterous, that's part of that.
But it's the same like- you have these weird out there goofy things all the time,
but then like you occasionally just stumble on something that's amazing.
So does he laugh and joke the whole time during his show?
I don't watch his show.
Anybody who takes me- I mean, it's not that I don't say serious stuff.
I try to take serious instances and make fun of them.
That's what I'm trying to do.
And if I catch something that seems a little weird like the DMZ pipe bomber-
Yeah, but he can say the same thing.
But he doesn't. I don't-
You don't know how he talks to his friends?
No, because he plays a character and he is like full-on, full-belong conspiracy guy like
the aliens are watching us and that's- he has a right to exist in this space.
He does. Everyone does.
But it's- it's my demeanor versus his demeanor.
Mines of our like happy and joyful and like-
I don't think a lot of people-
Whatever. I mean, I- I- I- I- I-
You want to convey me to a millionaire that gets sued and lost all his money?
Go right ahead.
I'm pretty sure I'm going- well, I'll never make the millionaire.
A billionaire with a B, sir.
A ZP?
He was.
Really?
Well, he owed a billion dollars to the people that- the San Diego people.
All right. So, changing my fucking-
All right, guys. They're coming after us, man.
They're all here. They're watching us.
We- those drones, they were not FAA approved.
They- they were- they were spying on us, man.
They- they were watching every move you make.
Be careful. Get your- get- get- get your protective equipment on.
I mean, should I do that?
So, I can have a billionaire?
Maybe.
I can do that.
Maybe.
Start- start saying that-
No, the one dude in our group, the community, how it's turned they go,
come on the show and fucking us have this out.
Yeah. That chair is not empty.
We- yeah, I-
No, I don't care.
I don't care.
I'm just having fun.
How much time are we out here?
We are at 46 minutes, so we got to wrap this up fairly quickly.
Okay, so we're not gonna be able to get to the Birthright Citizenship Talk today.
We'll probably do that next weekend if we can.
You thought we were gonna get to-
Well, you know, I- I do want to cover it because it's important.
Dave plans and I fuck it up.
But today we do have a special guest for you guys.
It's Frank Trezza from- well, he's a- he's a pen tester and a security researcher.
So, we have a- a- like a 40 minute interview with him.
And-
Look forward to it.
Let's roll that.
Yeah. No, I- I- I- I- I- I- I'm like-
My brain is just fluttering with questions for him.
So, let's go see what happens.
All right.
And we are doing an interview with-
Frank Trezza.
Can I say what he does or is this the-
Why don't we let him do that?
All right. Why don't you tell us what you do?
So, I am a senior security engineer and a penetration tester.
Okay.
I'm sure you'd like an explanation of what the hell those things are though, right?
I just don't know if you're in porn or not.
It sounds like you-
Am I in porn?
No, no, no porn.
This is your test, right?
I thought maybe you like- you tested the girls before-
I'm- I try to be the funny one, sorry.
Hey, no, no, no, I- you know, I fuck like a porn star.
So, I get how you misunderstood.
It's all good.
So, no, I'm a penetration tester.
I guess the- the Jordanian intonation.
I think they- they probably did that potentially when they came up with that career choice.
But, uh, just as it is, I- I had to trade companies.
I test them, so penetration tester.
And the way that I do that is emulating an adversary,
a bad actor.
So, I'm like, doing the same stuff your average bad guy's gonna do,
but within limits.
So, that's my scope, right?
Okay.
That's the difference between what I do and what these guys who are red teamers do.
Red teamers have a lot less scope.
They get to actually do the dirty tricks.
Uh, they don't have the training wheels on, so to speak.
They get to really go hard.
Whereas I go hard within what they agree to.
I don't get to do true red team emulation.
I get to do like 80% of that.
And then I- I'll stop because they don't want me to actually cause service interruption or
maybe deploy ransomware, right?
Whereas, uh, you know, you really want to go hard.
Your- your red teamers are gonna be like long-term engagements,
embedding themselves into a company.
Actually, trying to see what they can do that would cause financial harm,
like getting up to that point and then not causing the harm.
So it's just a little bit different, but they're very similar.
And a term a lot of people kind of mix up.
So.
Okay.
So again, I'm not a computer guy.
Nobody who does this- this show knows I'm not.
But so if I ask them weird questions, I understand that.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
So are you considered like a white hacker or a gray hacker or neither one?
Well, I'm a purple hacker.
So, uh, is that a weird thing?
Yeah.
So the whole white hat versus black hat thing is more immediate term.
So like anything else.
With amongst ourselves, yeah, we might jokingly, for somebody with a black hat,
they mean like, oh, they're a bad guy hacker or a white hat.
Like, oh, they're a goody-dooshoes hacker.
But in reality, the- it's more like I just- I'm an ethical hacker, right?
So-
Oh, okay, fair enough.
I just- I don't do things to hurt people.
I don't take people's information.
I always get consent first, kind of like the difference between a guy who goes to a bar
and picks up a chick and takes her home and she says, no, I stop.
Like I have consent, right?
I keep penetrating with my testing here is what I'm saying.
Okay.
Um, yeah.
So I've been kind of trying to do some research on this.
So- so we got penetration hacker and what was the other one?
Infilt- infiltration.
Yes.
So do you do infiltration hacking too or just penetration hacking?
So I do a little bit of both.
So I think what you're referring to is what's called FIATSEC, right?
Physical security testing.
That's the guys who'll break into a building, you know, get in, prove that it can be done,
like a high security place.
I do a little bit of that.
I don't really get like one or two FIATSEC engagements a year, really.
We got guys in my industry who that's all they do.
Like, uh, Jason Street, he was really great talks.
That dude once got paid to rob a bank, uh, essentially, but not for money.
He got paid to steal one of their computers, right?
So, so they dropped this dude off in a country that's in South America in front of a bank.
They tell him, that's the bank you're going to rob.
And he goes in and he's wearing like a typical shirt that you'd expect an IT worker to be wearing
with a Microsoft badge, walks behind the counter, uh, nonchalantly.
And then somebody's like, Hey, uh, are you IT?
And he goes, yeah.
And, uh, my computer's acting really slow.
And since he's good at what he does, he adopted a pre-tech,
a pre-tech being like the story you're going with as far as why you're there,
that he's a computer guy.
And if you're going to adopt a pre-tech, you have to know what the heck you're doing.
So you don't pick one when it's something you don't know how to do.
So he actually helped the lady fix their computer.
His goal is also to walk out with one of those computers.
So when he's done, he says, anybody else having problems while I'm here?
And it's like, well, that person's been complaining about the computer all week,
but they, they just kind of went out.
He goes, ah, well, I can bring that back to the shop with me.
So he just walks over, just connects the cables, grabs the computer, walks out.
The guy drops them off, come running at him.
We were trying to raise you.
Hey, uh, you, you went into the wrong bank.
Oh, that's a great story.
Yeah.
And anyway, he was, he was, he was actually convinced the dudes at the bank like,
Hey, um, I do this for a living and I have a slight letter of authorization.
Like my get out of jail free card.
Just they, they told me the door left goes to one bank and the door to the right goes to another.
And I made a mistake.
And he was like a bit of a, mostly honest, but also like still employing some social engineering
techniques.
They were still impressed that he was able to do what he did, that they hired a company.
And now he does both those banks every year.
Nice.
This way it doesn't matter which story goes through.
So I mean, when you come to a fork in the road, you take it.
Yeah.
So this is a weird question.
Are you registered with the government or how do they know you're doing stuff legally
to test it if they somehow, and I don't know if they can find you, but,
or if you go to the, if you hack the wrong company, you're like, no, no, I was trying to
hack this company.
So you, so you don't get arrested.
Is that, is that a concern?
It is.
I mean, doing the five six stuff.
I mean, the other stuff's a lot easier because well, not necessarily easier, different
skillset, different risk model.
So if I'm doing a physical engagement, I got to make sure my bases are covered.
I got to be working with a company that's got obviously the insurance that's needed
for this kind of stuff.
Oh, okay.
I cut out there.
Am I still there?
Yeah.
Yep.
So I got to have the insurance.
I have to have a signed letter of authorization from the person who's in charge at the company,
whether that being a CEO or a CSO.
And also that letter is going to have their phone number and backup phone numbers.
So if it's the fan, there's somebody they can call to verify.
I am who I say I am and I am authorized to be doing what I'm doing.
And we kind of jokingly refer to our SOW as the get out of jail free card.
But I mean, it has helped people.
We've had penetration testers who were actually doing a courthouse a couple of months back.
And they were told they were really staying on the first floor.
But one of the two of them on that team did not read that letter very carefully and tried to go to
second floor and their asses got arrested when the alarm went off.
And that was a whole mess.
They freaking get them out of.
But luckily they did eventually get out of it, but they spent a few days in jail as a result.
Wow.
They were a very angry sheriff who was in informants was going on and a little bit ego as well.
That's a thing with cops.
You go definitely.
You may keep going.
You got to be one of them.
No, yeah.
Go ahead.
So this is more of a.
Okay.
So I have a question.
You may this may or may not be in your real house, but we're like with the TikTok ban or the potential TikTok ban.
They're like, oh, we don't want China having this information from us and they're getting it.
But yet our government has allowed China to infiltrate infiltrate all of our system, the networks.
So is that something that you have an opinion on or not?
I guess I'm kind of throwing stuff out here.
And he's rolling.
No.
Yeah, I have a pretty strong thing for me.
Well, I'm over here getting here.
Okay.
Thank you.
You guys were frozen for a split second, but the audio was fine.
But anyway, TikTok ban, right?
Yeah.
TikTok ban.
Excellent.
City hotel Wi-Fi.
Sorry.
Nice.
We're all frozen again.
We'll get there.
We'll work it all out.
So.
My opinion on that.
Yeah, we're not hearing anything right now for you.
No.
Oh.
Yeah.
No.
Sorry.
Which way?
In the end.
You know.
Oh, we're back.
Yeah.
We're we're in the work.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah.
We're in the work through the viewer.
We're fine.
We understand.
All right.
I knew the video.
So can you hear me a bit better?
Yeah.
I should have a bit more bandwidth.
That might help.
All right.
So.
I think we're good down.
So it's like I'm not seeing any pauses.
So yeah.
I understand Chinese people are mad about TikTok.
They're screwed on my internet, I guess.
But.
So the gist of it is that when it comes to TikTok ban,
I'm privy to a bit more information than the general public.
And some of it is not stuff I'm technically allowed to share.
Okay.
So I'm going to tell you what I am allowed to share is there's a lot more to it than just
the automated with operations on our population that's going on there.
There are actual concerns about theft of data from companies as a result of utilization of that app.
Right.
People's phones when connected to corporate networks.
So I can't go deeper than that with that specific question just because of what I've read.
I can't disclose if you know what I mean, like TLP read.
Yeah.
No, but I was kind of referring to all the stuff.
I like protocol.
But I was also referring to the China is in a lot of our infrastructural and a lot of our
their governments networks and they're they're like, oh, you can't do TikTok.
But yet the China's are just running a muck in our power companies and our power, you know,
all this stuff.
And they're blaming us because we have a tick.
Well, I don't have a TikTok app, but they're blaming people that have a TikTok app for giving
information to try.
But our government's the one that's allowing them into theirs.
That's a great question.
And there's a lot to it.
So there's a bunch of key, key Chinese devices with backdoors in our critical infrastructure.
A lot of that started with like these IP cameras a few years ago made by a company.
Hick vision, right?
Essentially, they flooded the market with these really
cheap devices that were backdoored, knowing that they're undercut the competition and kind
of get an edge there.
And those got put on government networks and used to pivot.
And they got put on a list that says if your government contractor, you working a government
building, you gotta, you gotta, you can't use these devices.
And then a lot of other devices that are backdoored, like the company's Huawei that makes the
cell phones that are not a lot easier anymore.
They besides backdooring the cheap ass cell phones, we give the four people like the Obama phone
kind of stuff.
They also backdoor like switches and routers that are in critical infrastructure and things
that like bridge big networks together at data points.
So like really good place where multiple networks are converging.
If you are using a device made by a Chinese company, it's not a great place to have said device,
right?
So they've been accused of thing like having backdoors and hardware.
And there's been evidence that there actually are these backdoors.
And we've now seen the awful botnet that are just potentially badly secured routers that
are made from China that might not be intentional backdoors, just that the security on them is
so horrible that they got compromised that are now parts of botnet that are being used to attack
infrastructure with like denial of service attack.
So with the backdoor thing being an issue, is there an electronic manufacturer for phones
or laptops that are better than the others that China has don't have doesn't have their fingerprints on?
Yeah, there's a few.
The U.S. is working on a list of actually having like little certification program kind of like the
Energy Star program type shit that's being headed up by one of those labs that generally does
energy efficiently.
Since you can't think which is probably not the best company to be doing that, but at least they're
trying to put together like a stamp of approval saying the device seems to be backdoor free
before they sell it now.
And that's going to be rolling out I think later this year.
But the general gist of it is like, if you really want to be 100% sure there's no backdoors
in your hardware and software, that's something that's going to require some research
and making sure you buy the right things and then you can control the firmware too.
Like when I'm down on the road, if I need to have a router with me like a travel router,
I get one that I can put my own firmware on like an OpenWRT device, you know, or something that
can run a PSS for firewall like open source firmware where people have looked over the code,
made sure that it is bug and well backdoor free, they could have bugs.
But in general, at least the open source community looked at it and agreed no backdoors here.
And I put that on my device.
Yeah, we covered that on an episode a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah.
We did our open RWT and fresh tomato.
Yeah, tomato, open WRT, DDWRT, those are three great projects to do open source
router replacement for firmware.
Yeah, because China or Asia, I guess in general has been sealed on our intellectual properties
since like the 60s.
And obviously it wasn't computers back then, but now they've gone into computers.
So I don't know, I'm just I'm against having certain stuff made overseas that is critical
to our infrastructural.
Do you?
I know, there's also risk for American companies.
I don't trust them.
So you'd like to steal your data today, like, you know, if something's free, as you guys
probably know, you're the product.
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm literally a flip phone guy up until like two years ago when I was forced
to get a smartphone for work.
I don't do I don't my Wi-Fi is off all the time.
I don't go to I don't go to social media on my phones.
Yeah, I do my best to at least not be listened to by Facebook, X, China,
you know, Putin might be listening to my phone as far as I know.
So but is so with China being the government, our government is selling to us that China is in our
power grid and all this.
Is it true that they can actually be in there?
Or is this a scare tactic from our government?
Or is that something you can talk about?
You know, like my my I can talk about it.
I just can't say everything I know about it.
So there are use cases where that China has infiltrated not just China, mind you Russia,
other nation states, these APTs, which are usually nation state actors for a large majority of these
advanced threats, advanced persistent threats, they call them like either they're financially
motivated and really good at working together or they're state sponsored.
And a lot of the time they're crossover.
So one of the ones that's in the news a lot lately are the typhoon groups.
These are Chinese based, you know, you have both typhoon, salt typhoon.
These two groups are nation state actors, right?
And they have definitely infiltrated our telecom systems, for an example, like they got it in
and they have the ability to see what's called a system called signaling system seven,
which is what lets people let's let a phone company.
Like you're running a cell phone provider, connect your internet based IP telephony stuff
to the old school POTS like telephone network.
It's like that bridge in the middle.
And it kind of like can be used, for instance, if you're getting a text message to not then forward
that message to the intended recipient, but let you see it.
There's all sorts of evil tricks that they can do, especially if you don't like,
say you don't put the area code for all the numbers in your phone,
there's ways that they can screw with you as a result of that.
If you don't have like the say one five one six,
for calling Napa County in your phone, you just have like five, you know, your whole phone number,
right? So if you don't, there's just there's just different stupid tricks they can pull
as a result of the access they've got.
So they don't need to swim swap if they want to steal somebody's SMS code,
which is a big thing.
While the government said people should be using responsibly managed encryption.
And then they give a list of what they considered responsibly managed.
Now my issue with their list is what they say is responsibly managed means that that's something
they themselves have a key to.
So if it's responsibly managed, meaning you have the key to see my messages as a government,
that's also something I'm not really comfortable with.
You know, it's like, look, I want to message my friend about something I don't need anybody
listening. It's not that I'm doing anything bad, but I don't need to beat your burden or proof that
if I'm not doing anything wrong, I don't need to work or I think that's bullshit.
I should have an expectation of privacy when I'm talking to people online.
Just like if I'm in a room, I don't need to be in a freaking government's gift to say something
to somebody, you know?
Yeah. So that being said, like all my life, I've got VPNs on them.
I use them frequently. Is there a VPN for cell phones or should there be?
Oh, there is.
Oh, yeah.
There's, I mean, there's tons of them.
You're going to drain your battery a bit fast, but like VPNs are great to start.
I don't really like a lot of the ones you'll see.
You're typical YouTubers like Hawke on a podcast.
They're like, this brought to you by NordVPN or a real private internet access.
And it's like, okay, and then they get a 30% kickback when somebody signs up.
But a lot of them are fake oil in terms that they're not set up really all that secure themselves.
And they log, they log user data, man.
And if the government asks for it, they just give it to them.
So you're not really getting that expectation of privacy you're looking for when you sign up
for these services.
If you want to like use a VPN securely, learn how to like set up one yourself.
And, you know, like there's a lot of better ways to do it.
And also a lot of the times these things are going to have a call to DNS leak.
So even though your actual traffic going on port four for three is like encrypted,
when you're looking up what website you're going to go to, it's still going to your ISV DNS.
So you're still like leaking that same data that you're trying to hide.
That's what you talked about last episode.
Okay.
I'm playing that on Dave and I being a lot of the same groups and reading a lot of the same news.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Let's get into the juicy bits.
So tell us the dirty tricks that you use in your work.
Sure.
So if I'm going to be social engineering at the whole school of things, essentially,
I'm going to be using psychological manipulation techniques to achieve my end goal.
I'm going to get somebody to do something that might not be in their best interest,
whether that's going to be like a secretary to put something in their thumb drive that's
going to affect the network or sneaking into a data center by calling ahead of time,
knowing the contact at the company who can authorize people to go into the data center
and then being like, hey, I got this guy, Frank Treasor,
Pete Trezzor, and I got to add him to the list of people who authorize.
And they're going to look at the number that's calling them.
And it's going to have the actual name of the contact.
Because one of my dirty tricks is faking the caller ID that I'm calling from.
So in that regard, I call up, I get myself added to the list,
and then I show up with my ID and walk in.
And I've already been met my objective at that point.
And then go to the cage.
And if I need to now, as Dave is now familiar with ConBoot,
if I need to get into a system and they haven't done a good job of actually encrypting it,
like putting BitLocker on a Windows box, which a lot of companies should be doing, but don't,
I can literally just shove a thumb drive into the cage, assuming now I can get into a lock cage.
And my trick for getting into the lock cage is usually key reuse,
because all these little del boxes, a lot of the times, are going to have the same key.
So they might be like, head of them locked, and one guy just left the key in,
just grab the key and like go to the other cage, open it.
That's super hard.
And sometimes a lot of the data centers have hands on deck.
So they have the ability to go to your cage anyway and open it for you.
So I've yet to use that too.
Like they actually did secure it well and had different locks of different things.
And I'm like, oh man, I forgot my keys back in the office.
He just opened it up for me and it opened it for me.
And I stick ConBoot thumb drive in since I don't actually have a login.
Reproduce, that's not a word.
I reproduced a production server in the middle of the day where it's not supposed to go down.
So that when it comes back up, I can bypass the Windows login screen
and then have proof that I've been there.
And I'll leave a little text file on the desktop of the administrator,
you've been phoned, just this proof that I was there and then leave.
Sometimes they'll be like, I want you to get something off of it.
But I'm always very careful when they say that and double check the SLW
to make sure that we're not getting scammed by some company who wants us to hack a competitor or something.
But yeah, I know a lot of dirty tricks.
I can't tell all of you my freaking tricks, but there's stupid bypass tricks.
It's physical security testing.
You don't have time to be picking a lock, common weaknesses in locks,
things that can be exploited by things like bumpies.
Anybody who's gone to a tool workshop knows about a lot of these things.
And they're great open organizational lock pickers.
Give them a shout out.
And Deviant over at Red Team Alliance, really great at explaining how these things work.
And I'll defer to them in that subject area because that's their wheelhouse.
But also, flippers are great.
I never used one on the actual engagement, right?
But they're fun to play with outside of that for awareness of things.
Loading key cards, for instance, when you need to.
So the electronic locks that are out there now, are you finding those easy to hack as well?
Or is that something that's a little tougher?
So there's this tick in our industry named Leslie Carhart, Hacks for Pancake.
There's a lot of research into this area.
When her karma complex was going to mandate that she use an electronic lock and replace her
traditional key lock system that kind of set her off on, well, I work in the security industry
and I know that's not secure.
But I don't want that.
And they're like, well, you can't live here if you don't go with our lock.
She's like, when you agree to live in a house that has no lock on the front door,
I mean, it's been a block to really just delay mechanisms anyway.
But now you're going to cost all the vulnerabilities of the internet of shit into a lock.
And a lot of these are not well secured or designed in the first place.
Or if you're on the same network, there's ways to essentially open a damn lock.
And a lot of people aren't securing their Wi-Fi all that well anyway.
So I mean, there's a lot of different attack vectors when they come to these locks.
The hotel ones that were very popular a couple of years ago all had a barrel jack.
And essentially, there was a little device you can make with an ESP32, like a little microcontroller,
where you wire those wires to GPIO pins on this thing.
And it would emulate the device code from the manufacturer that they give to the people who
install these locks. So essentially, you could reset the lock on the fly and open the hotel
room doors. That's like sticking something into a barrel jack and waiting three seconds.
So like also some are designed to fail open in an emergency instead of fail closed,
which obviously they should be in case you fire and stuff.
So I mean, if you really need to get into a target room,
some places maybe pulling a fire alarm might unlock all the doors for instance.
Well, technically by fire code, they could fail closed from the hallway into the hotel room,
but the hotel room out, they can't. So yeah, if they're programming them to fail open
to ingress, then they is what they're doing. Just to them, I guess.
Well, but in the fire situation, it's egress.
They don't care. No, I know.
But they're just going to do whatever is easiest to them.
Yeah. But that's, I mean, hotel states are not safe. Also, I get everyone's
are that I mean, 90% of those, you can just pull down the guide from the manufacturer itself,
and it'll show you how to open a damn thing if you don't have the code.
So it's all a facade, nothing secure here in this world nowadays.
Yeah. Cause even now they're coming out with the, if you got a car with the push button start,
they're like, Oh yeah, your car is compromised. We stole in there because you can just wait till
they push the button and you can capture that. Yeah, you clone it. Yeah, you clone it and then
you're in the car. A lot of those are actually relay. So like your, so the way it works is
you, you capture the signal of a key before it gets to the car and you block that signal
from reaching the car. And then right. So now you're the one with the valid key. And a lot of
times doing this can also break the valid key because it's a rolling code and now they're not
going to match. So you can use that. And a lot of people have been experimenting with like the
flipper with the original firmware that let you do this have essentially broken their own
ability to get both into their cars and parking garages from their own device and had to go get
them reset because they're using rolling. I have that planned. I was just so named that I was
actually what we were talking about was Googling flipper because I had heard, I get, I'm not a
tech guy, but I heard that that's what gets people into a lot of things. It gets you passed a lot of
electronic locks. Yeah. So I do have a episode planned for the flipper zero, but I wanted to
actually get one and play around with it first. Okay. And so, so Frank knows people here in Vegas,
they run a vending machine that will take cash that has flipper zeros and other things. Really?
But I had trouble accessing it. So, but yeah, if you have, I blame Drew, apparently they're,
they're moving location so the vending machine is temporarily inaccessible now.
If you had gone the first time we talked, you would have been able to get in if you
had like hit the button at the door and like wait a minute for them to answer. They would have
buzzed in the user. But you know, you know, Drew Redshift Porter, he's in a lot of the same groups
as you and me there, Dave. He can help, help you get one if you want to buy one in cash instead of,
you know, buying it off the websites. Do you know about any other place besides Vegas to do that?
Because I know a lot of our fans would like to probably get one of those but not have their
names tied to it. You know, in terms of in real life locations, I think that's the only one I've
ever come across. Okay. You know, maybe in terms of your local hacker space, if you've got one or a
DC7, a DEF CON meetup group, there might be somebody willing to sell you one. I think I've seen
them on XMR Bazaar as well. So if you, if you want to buy them with Monero, obviously you're
giving away your address or and address to the seller. But use a drop, you know, when you
discuss that on the show. Oh, yeah, Dave put in depth with the like fake fingers you put on with
fake fingerprints. Yeah, we got all into that. It's kind of cool actually. I love how Dave dresses
like how people think I should look. That was kind of the point. Yeah. That's not how I normally dress
for those of you that you're my stereotype. I love it.
Yeah. So anything else you wanted to bring up?
Hack the planet. There you go.
Yeah, we're so we're on a free version of zoom and we've got eight,
eight and a half minutes left. So before they cut us off, we have to restart it if you want to. But
I'm gonna think what else I've got. Yeah, I kind of want to just like let Frank do his thing.
Yeah. You want to talk about anything or you want to advertise anything?
Sure. I'll shamelessly plug my company. Oh, please don't. I have a penetration testing company
called Steel Trezza, S-P-E-L-E, you know, the E at the end, not just like the way Steel is spelled.
And then my last name, which is also hard to spell. So we're shortening that to S-T-A in the
future. But right now it's steeltrezza.com. And we do penetration testing, secure architecture design,
a lot of the things you'd think a hacker would be good at. We do. And that's my shameless plug
there. And I have a podcast, which counterserville podcasts on Mondays, which Dave, you're always
welcome to hop on men, you know, and we have guests occasionally. And we shoot the shit every
Monday, kind of like you would do at a bar with a bunch of hackers at DEF CON. So it's
fairly informal. We talk a little bit about what goes on each week in terms of race and security.
And we waste a lot of time just going off topic and having conversations about things that interest
us. So feel free to tune into that. It's on the R&D YouTube channel. Adrian Crenshaw,
being a good friend of mine, who I used to do recording of security conferences with,
and run a podcast with. And now we do our podcasts on his channel every Monday.
So nice.
That's at seven o'clock Eastern. So feel free to check that out if you're a person who was
interested in the topic that counterstaffel podcast.
Some of those links over signal so I can get them on our episode page.
And then counterstaffel.net is our website there. And I'll shoot the links on signal.
So are you self taught or did you get from our education?
I'm a weird hybrid man. My older brother Richard taught me a lot when I was little.
And I taught myself a lot when I was older. And a lot of it was the need to get online
in an age when it was very expensive to get online and needing to learn how to
pick AOL into letting me online with knowing that they don't sell you verified credit card
till the end of the month. And I remember doing that snowballed from there.
Oh, so that's great. Is there any advice you can give me?
Dave, you got any prefixes, man? Any advice? Yeah.
People like me, I'm not a strong electronics. I mean, I know enough, but I don't like,
I don't want to, I'm more of a proper and I'm more of a, I won't, I won't upload the QR codes.
I won't touch those damn things. What is, yeah, so that's my personality. So anything to
for advice for somebody like me. Enable multi-factor for everything that supports it.
All right, MFA authentication. Use, I'm not, I hate recommending this one,
but it's easiest for people. Google is a decent two-factor for a lot of things.
If you are an average user and don't know how to set up a self-posted version of this,
having a password manager is also really good. So right now I'm using Bitwarden and myself.
So I'll recommend them because they have a free version so you can use them both your
cell phone and your computer, but there are more secure self-hosted alternatives to that as well.
In general, keep your things secure. Don't reuse passwords. Don't give out more information than
you need to. Be cognizant of your surrounding and have an idea of what's going on when you're in
public and not get taken advantage of. These are all kind of things I'm sure your audience is
already pretty familiar with based on the few casts that I have seen of you guys.
But in general, the biggest one thing that most people do that's stupid is using variations on
the same password everywhere. So don't do that. And then when your stuff is leaking a data breach
and I go to look for your password, I won't be able, I'm being the royal we here, won't be able to
use the password you used before to get into your current shit or try permutations of that to get
in. And if you're MFA-ing everything, it's more than just getting a password anyway. And don't use
SMS as second factor for anything. As my friend Lucky has been screaming from the hilltop since
2017 or probably sooner, SMS is not secure. Even before China popped it, it wasn't secure. It wasn't
secure because we let vendors take over a cell phone number to send SMS messages that get responses
to it. And a lot of them don't check you even own that number. So like SMS has never been safe.
So don't use it as your second factor because they're really stupid way to get pop. And if you can,
you know, use responsibly managed encryption. And I'm only saying responsibly managed in the
ironic sense here. And that if you lose your keys and you're not a tech savvy person, you know how
to back them up and have them somewhere, you should use one of the services you can pay for
that will hold them for you. And you know, we're not going to then just resell that crap. So
it's a matter of doing a little bit of research first and taking people and companies you want to
work with and not just going with whoever the YouTube people tell you to go by this week.
They're getting a kickback from. Also for your average user VPNs aren't even needed because
ACBS is almost on everything nowadays. Anyway, you know, if you're just an average Joe going on
the internet, you know, the whole also Netflix thing, like, oh, you can watch Netflix in the
other country kind of bullshit because they have a list of the VPN endpoints. It doesn't even work.
I just travel for work a lot. So I had a VP in hotels and coffee shops. That's what he's
going to be here for. You know, if you're going to give your guests in your house access
your Wi-Fi have a guest Wi-Fi network that segmented from your other devices.
Things like this are fairly good advice in general. You know, it's not too hard.
And most consumer grade devices nowadays, you set up things called VLAN where your Wi-Fi
also has post isolation. So the people on the Wi-Fi can only see out to the internet and not
talk to each other on the local network and turn off UP and P on your own router. And we
need to open a port do it manually because UP and P is a really nice stupid way people
expose things. They don't intend to see the internet and then those things get hacked and
people get your network through them. Oh, that's actually really good advice. We got two minutes
left. You were cool. Yeah, I think we're good. So yeah, thanks for joining us. No, I really
appreciate it. I love talking to you. It was really good. I like that. Like what you do. Thanks,
guys. Appreciate you. Hope you have a good rest of your day. I hope you do. All right, man. Have a
good one. See you. All right. Thanks for listening. Okay. Good night. See you guys next week. We'll see
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