Alright, welcome to the Canary in the Cage podcast. I'm Ron Morgan, my co-host.
Dave Havlicek.
We are here to entertain you and to help you make you laugh.
Indeed.
So, there's a lot of stuff in politics going on, but I'm going to step up and say...
I'm going to pay attention, so...
Yeah, yeah. Who pays attention to that shit anyway?
Ban me off the Twitter was the best thing that ever happened to me.
At least you know a lot of people have said that actually.
I know...
Well, I guess I'm more active on social media at 1x because of this show.
Yeah.
But other than that...
Well, yeah, let me sit here. The only reason I joined was for the show.
Yeah, I don't have anything on my phone or anything, so...
I got a music question for you.
Okay.
So, over the weekend, I took the Friday off-sredder and a good four-day weekend.
And I decided to redo the flooring in the downstairs of my house.
Yeah.
I'm going to be doing carpet...
If you're hearing an echo, that's what that is.
Yeah. Old dog kind of thing.
So, I've been putting down BCT and I haven't even done the podcast studio yet, hence the
empty shelf.
I can feel this is related to music.
Well, because when I do work, I listen to music.
Okay.
And I had Spotify on.
Okay.
And I picked Sublime's Radio's channel.
Okay.
So, that kind of gives it a hint.
Yeah.
But I want to know what band, in your opinion, has sold out.
Like, if you go back to Milly Vanilli, they faked everything.
Yeah.
So, that's not really a sell-out, but let's assume like from the 50s and 60s, I'd say
the Beach Boys grew up and were anti-beach.
Like, stay off the beaches, people.
Really?
Don't go out there.
I don't remember that.
They didn't do this.
I was like, if they did this.
Yeah.
You didn't see that big protest?
Stay off the beaches.
Beach is...
I just remember them on Full House with Jesse and the Rippers.
Right.
My band is from the 90s.
I know I brought it up here in the show before, but I'm going to do it again.
So, what band do you think had a movement, had a message, and they just got old and decrepit
and just sold the fuck out?
There's a bunch of them.
Like, I mean, Rage Against the Machine.
That's the one.
Yeah.
That's actually the one I picked up.
Because their name is Rage Against the Machine.
Yeah.
That's because some Rage songs came out.
I typically just go back and skip.
Next, next, next.
But I was on my knees doing flories.
And I'm like, I'm going to listen to it.
So, I actually listened to the song again.
It made me matter.
Yeah.
So, I never liked them.
I just never liked them.
They were a very theatrical group.
I mean, he would climb the staging equipment.
He was...
They had a good message at the right time.
I don't like their music.
Their music sucked.
I mean, you could almost say it could have been poppy, but yeah, I don't know.
I started checking out of music in like 94, 95.
Wait, check it out.
You were...
Not in music, but new music.
Oh, okay.
Because you would travel and sit on a bar and you'd be able to conversation with them.
They'd be like, blind, melancholy, jumper, whatever.
Yeah.
So, I started going backwards in time at that point.
Okay.
So, like when I was in...
You could call it middle school, but we didn't have that in Chicago.
It was just K through 8.
But we were like 6 or 7, 7th grade.
We were all into like Nirvana and Pearl Jam and all that stuff.
Yeah.
And like the more I got into the band that influenced those bands, I'm like, these new
bands just suck.
They have no talent.
It's gotten worse since then.
It's gotten worse.
But if you go back to like Led Zeppelin, Cree, I mean, there's just so much better.
It's not even close.
You know what's funny?
I'm actually a 90s music guy.
If I had to pick a decade and it's not necessarily because I appreciate the music, I'm a lyrics
guy.
So, I appreciate the lyrics and the movement.
90s is when you died.
The slackers, you know, the grunge.
I just kind of dug that.
It's just terrible.
I still listen to it on occasion, because it's not offensive to my ears, but it's just like...
It just doesn't come close to what I'm recording.
So, for those of you who don't know, Rage Against the Machine, when they got old, that's 2020
and 2021 and so on, they would not let you come to their show unless you were a band
and you were a vaxed, boosted and wearing a mask.
Now, you can go while they're a band, they have a right to put forth their own rules to
come to their show.
Sure.
But if you listen to their music, I mean, Rage Against the Machine.
Well, they became the machine.
So, to me, they sold off the box.
Green Day was like that.
Green Day sold out.
Oh, Green Day.
They had fake accents.
No, I don't remember that.
They did fake British accents.
Oh, my God.
Or maybe it was just Billy.
Billy, the guy who hates Vegas, hey, Billy, fuck you.
Stay out of Vegas.
We don't want you.
They were, again, like a post-punk anti-authority and then kind of a...
They were very anti-George Bush.
Right.
Because George Bush was sucked.
He was one of our worst presidents.
Yeah.
And then, like, Obama gets elected and he continues doing the same things that Bush did, but Green
Day was all in favor of him.
Oh, God, the old leader is the same as the new...
Oh, same as the new boss.
Yeah, that's the whole...
Yeah, the whole...
Yeah.
Same new, you would know that.
Of course, from the 60s.
Yeah.
So, and that's what happened.
Apparently, Trump's not bad, but we're...
Yeah.
We don't know if he's doing good or bad right now.
I like what he's doing.
I like the path, but it's a long road.
And if he can't...
Yeah, there's an Elon story we might get to today about that.
Actually, we are going to get to it because I want to talk about that.
But you want to do that now?
I'm ready to...
Well, let's...
Hold on.
I got to skip ahead.
That's fine.
I ruined your order.
No, that's fine.
I just want to bring this up.
Okay.
Make that like full screen.
Well, this, you can't go full screen.
Okay.
So, that's fine.
So, NPR is suing Trump over the executive order of cutting federal funding to them.
Apparently, they can't run a business without tax dollars.
I'm sorry.
Right.
When do we get our check?
Yeah.
We're broadcasting, right?
Do we get dividends up from NPR?
We should.
I mean, if they do well, they should pass up the dividends.
Right.
So, this leads into the media, which is going to be what he wants to talk about in a second.
So, maybe the second lead in perfectly.
Whatever.
I'll finish this and jump in with Elon.
But, well, it kind of does because it's a long drawn out thing.
Big Pharma advertises on the TV.
Yes.
Apparently, they're like one of the only advertisers for CNN, MSN.
They're the biggest, by far.
Right.
Yeah.
And Robert F. Kennedy wants to ban commercials from big pharma.
No.
Well, no.
Show me a cigarette out on TV.
They shouldn't be allowed to do that either.
But they did.
Well, they shouldn't be.
Well, big...
You always make this argument.
We're like, well, they violated our rights in the past.
So, why can't they do it again?
No.
Stop violating our rights.
It's making it equal.
If you're going to go after...
I don't fucking...
What do you guys advertise?
I would much rather have cigarette commercials on TV than not.
Okay.
Then that's what we should do.
But...
In fact, like I mentioned, I've been watching old Twilight Zone episodes.
Oh, what?
Twilight Zone episodes.
Oh, Twilight Zone episodes.
And so they would do ads in the show.
Like, not...
Like, they would do a break and then have ads.
But they would also do in-show ads.
Like, at the end of the show, Rob Sterling would come on and do an ad sometimes.
And he would do ad for cigarettes.
Yeah.
Was he smoking?
And it's hilarious.
Like, dude, this stuff...
Like, I don't even want to try and replicate it because it's just...
Yeah, you can't...
Go on YouTube and look up Rob Sterling's cigarette commercials.
It's hilarious.
It's a stir.
So, I mean, so what I'm thinking is, are we subsidizing...
We already know we're subsidizing other countries with their pharmaceutical medications.
Kind of, yeah.
Are we subsidizing CNN MSN by buying pharmaceutical medication?
I mean, I don't.
Well, in a weird and indirect way, yes.
Because like, if they mandate a vaccine and you pay for that vaccine, then some of that
money goes towards marketing.
No, but let's talk about the pill of the day.
Ozympic.
Okay.
Everybody wants to get an ozympic.
Yeah, I'm not...
Why?
I don't know.
Say the fuck off it, people.
I'm not even gonna...
It can't be that good if it's that popular.
Well, it's not that.
It's like, oh, it fixes this.
Oh, it fixes...
So, okay.
I have a doctor.
I finally broke down.
I did not go to the doctor on the show.
I need to go to him because I procrastinate.
Wow, that was a hard one to get at.
And I always just like, I'll go, honey, I'll go.
I'm gonna call him today.
Oh, honey, I ran out of time.
It was my time.
So, my wife just said, you have an appointment on this day at this time.
Right.
She had a friend whose husband died of a massive heart attack at 56.
I'm 55.
Do the matches.
And I'm not the healthiest eater, but I do like my fruits and vegetables though.
I mean, I'm like a mother mother.
And I drink a little bit.
A little bit.
So, I go to this doctor and he's like, you, because I'm gonna put you on your ozipic.
I go, no, you're not.
And he goes, whoa, whoa, what's your problem with ozipic?
I go, well, it's not necessarily my problem with ozipic.
It's my problem with big pharma.
Yeah.
Oh, so you really don't like ozipic?
No, I don't like any pharma soup.
He goes, well, I was gonna offer you testosterone, but you don't take that, but you won't take
ozipic.
You're already mixed testosterone.
I go, if I choose to do my testosterone, I already have it in my body.
But I also want to know, am I low on my T's or am I equal for my age, but I'm low from
an 18 year old?
I want to know, I want to see that scale before I do anything.
But so flash guy, so he did, by the way, I'm healthy.
I'm not dying.
We don't know.
Cause I always thought if I die in my 50s, it's going to be for heart attack.
He ultrasounded me.
Yeah.
I was like, no, no.
Well, there's something in there.
I don't know what the fuck it is.
But he did all my veins and arteries and he's like, this is what's weird.
I wasn't going to get any of this, but whatever.
So because this is the Elon Musk story, by the way, this is what we're getting there.
So he goes, well, you have a slight issue with one of your valves in your heart.
It's a little inflamed and he goes, don't worry.
He's pumping enough blood.
You know, it's pumping the blood perfectly fine.
I just want to keep an eye on it for a year, every year.
I go, okay.
So flash cut him leaving the room.
He enters the next room, tells the guy in the next room the same exact fucking thing.
What's the odds of that?
See, so, so he, so back in the script, like MPC, he's back in my room again and he goes,
well, since you don't like, oh, Zimpik, I'm going to put you on Mineral.
Mineral, but no, it's like, it's the same.
Same thing as another rapper.
Yes.
And he tried to like discount that.
And he's like, and you're diabetic.
I go, I mean, I'm diabetic.
What?
He goes, yeah, you're diabetic.
What?
I'm not.
So, so I don't blood test and my number was like right on the cusp, but it clearly
says you must have at least two tests before you can be, uh, to find it's diabetic.
So I'm not diabetic.
I was tested months ago and I'm finding an affair or something and I'm not.
But I go, Oh, well, if I'm diabetic, should we not have a discussion over my
drinking and my eating habits?
He goes, no, that pill will fix that.
What?
So yeah, that's what they're fucking doing to you.
Oh my God.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm kind of leave now.
Cause I'm gone.
People have forgotten it.
Like people and doctors have both forgotten that like you are serving.
You're here to service me, right?
I'm here to tell you what is going on and you're here to give me advice.
And I'm the one who, who takes that advice or denies that advice.
So he was like, you don't tell me I'm going on this.
Right.
So I, I got my blood results and I looked at it and I'm like literally like, I,
I'm on this one test.
I was right on the cusp of diabetic, not diabetic.
Um, but again, it says you need to test.
So if I do the next test and I find out that I'm not diabetic, do I just let this go?
This is getting for doctor.
Well, no, I'm done with him already.
Fire him.
No, I, that's, that's been taken care of.
But that's not my point is, it's, he's, he's trying to manipulate me to go on the
fat shop.
Yeah.
You have the fat shop, right?
Did we talk about this?
So Trump had a, oh yeah.
That's, that's the, that's the whole topic.
Isn't it?
Yeah.
That's the fat shop.
Um, so, and it wasn't even a money thing because they gave me a coupon, right?
A coupon.
Yeah, but they're getting, they're going to commission off of that.
Right.
But I don't think I pay $25 for it, but somebody else.
What place is doctors getting committed?
I'm sure he is.
But yeah, well, I actually think he's doing a study.
Hmm.
Um, I know they have to tell you if they're doing a study.
See, I don't see that's what I thought.
But the reason my wife found out about this doctor is a co-worker of hers.
And he did the same thing to him.
Okay.
Well, the one, Ozipic goes, you'll stop drinking.
He didn't stop drinking.
Right.
He actually gained weight on Ozipic and he went back and told the doctor this and
doctor goes, Oh man, I got to put you down as a no.
He's like, what do you mean?
What?
Well, I'm doing some research on, on, on, on that guy.
Cause yes, you can't do that.
Research and study.
Is that the same thing?
Uh, you cannot be part of a human trial without your full knowledge and sense.
So, okay.
And then, so I kind of get into a conversation with this doctor about the,
the month, but whatever I go, it's been major, major, and he goes, uh, it's good
for you cause it'll make you stop drinking.
I go, well, why does it make you stop drinking?
Yeah.
He goes, Oh, we don't know.
I go, so you're pushing a drug with a side effect that you don't know why.
He said, yeah, but it's a good one.
I know.
No.
Well, that's perspective.
Oh my God.
But I know there's a drug out there that, uh, makes you like have a visceral
reaction to alcohol.
I don't think it's that one.
It might be ozibic though.
It's supposed to be.
I, maybe I don't know, but I heard about this before.
Ozibic was a thing.
Why are they pushed?
Why no, ozibic's been around for eight years.
Cause I've heard about this before.
Oh, because I said, well, what about the COVID vaccine?
Yeah.
That was sold to, that was tried to be forced on us to be good.
Right.
Well, we know that ain't true.
Right.
Um, which is actually the breaking news on that too, but we'll get that in a
couple of weeks.
Um, but I go, he's like, well, uh, that was instantaneous.
And we kind of knew right away that it was bad.
Well, did you tell the media that?
Why did you push it out?
I know.
Why did you make us get it?
Why did you fucking facilitate this?
Why did you put needles in people's eyes?
And I'm just like, well, but you have a side effect that you don't know why it's
happening.
So it's doing something to the break.
Yeah.
We'll, of course it's affecting the break.
I go, I don't want to take a pill that affects my brain.
Right.
I got enough shit.
My body affects my brain, my whiskey, my pot.
I mean, I got everything that affects my brain.
That's for good stuff.
That was bad.
So, so that, so, oh, geez, how do I get there?
Um, so, so basically with the media, if are we subsidizing the media by buying
the pharmaceutical medication, giving them the ability to have the money to
advertise on CNN?
Um, well, wait, they're making money off of us because they're ripping us off
and giving free drugs, everybody else in the world.
So they're using that money to pay for CNN.
Okay.
So why not just pull their funding?
Tell them they get, first of all, why do they ever have this on TV?
Why do they have one?
Why are they, why do they advertise?
I told them because they can't, because you, the customer aren't paying enough
indirect funds to keep them.
So they're not advertising over the counter medication.
They're advertising.
Yeah.
No, under prescription prescription medication.
So you have to go to your doctor and goes, I saw this on TV.
I want this.
Yeah.
And the doctor goes, okay, here.
Right.
That's not how medicine is supposed to get.
It's sickness, illness, treatment.
Well, people, if people fall for it, like, what do you, I mean,
this is, like, you gotta stop thinking in terms of who these evil pharma
companies are these evil advertisers.
It's you who are fucking moron, who goes to, who sees a thing on the TV and says,
Oh, I need that.
Like you're not a child.
It's not Saturday morning cartoons where they put fucking frosted flanks and
then Tony the tiger and oh, I see the cartoon tiger.
I want to have that.
I am you're an adult.
I object to hardly when they had that evil, carnival bite come out, you crank
it up like this and it takes off and it's that ramp.
I had to have that.
Yeah.
That's different though.
That was I was like, but you're an adult 25 at the time.
But okay, but you're an adult and like you should be able to separate Tony the
tiger from the fat woman in the osepa commercial.
Yeah.
Right.
Like this, just not stop fucking thinking you need this thing.
Stop thinking it's going to fix your life.
It's not.
You're a fat, ugly asshole because you're lazy.
Get off your fat ass.
I go just so you know, doc, I started walking a mile and a half a day about
three or four months ago and I have dropped weight.
I don't, I don't weigh myself.
Right.
I don't give a fuck.
You just feel it.
You know, I know my belt.
I'm using different all the time.
So cool.
Um, so I'm like, well, should we take that into consideration before we try to
treat medicine from the circle?
No, just take the pill and we'll fix everything because you'll be a much
happier person.
You'll come into me in the next three weeks and you'll be like, dude, I feel so
much better.
Thank you.
I don't know why I feel better, but I feel better.
I don't want that from a pill.
Yeah.
Jesus.
No, this is not how it works.
So, yeah.
So basically I wanted to just bring up the funding and, um, and then Trump, he's
trying to reduce the cost of pharmaceutical medication in the big.
No, so this is, this is something I find interesting.
Like you just go on this rant against pharmaceuticals, but now you're saying,
ooh, Trump's trying to reduce prices.
Well, because, okay.
Why would you want to lower price for something that's evil?
Some people need medication.
My wife, my wife.
He's not lowering the prices for that medication.
He's lowering the prices for us.
No, no, no.
That's just bad Chinese going after it all.
Like, like, as, asmatics need the inhaler and need, uh, their steroid or what
the fuck they'll say.
Yeah.
Cancer patients need this.
If they actually have cancer, if cancer actually exists, it does.
I know it's, but I, I know it's, it's the sickness of the day.
So there have been doctors who have admitted to telling patients they had
cancer when they didn't.
Uh, well, so that, I mean, that, that could be down to a flawed test rather than
lying.
Well, okay.
So there's, there's actually a famous, uh, college statistics question that they
give you.
Okay.
And it's, um, something like if, uh, if a cancer test has a false positive
rate of 1% and you test or, and you go and you test positive for cancer, what
are your odds of actually having cancer?
And like almost everybody gets it wrong, especially doctors.
Like doctors get 99% right.
They'll say 90%.
1%, which it's actually like your odds of having cancer, given that you had a
positive test is like 50, 50.
It's like, it's so far out of what you think it is.
That's like, wait a minute, that's it.
But when you sit down and do the math, it's actually correct.
So it's kind of like, if you got A, B and C in front of you and somebody tells
you to pick a letter and you pick B and then he removes C, should you choose
A, you get used to the chance to choose again, you should choose A.
Because the first one, you had a third of a chance.
Now you have a half a chance to be able to better picking that, picking the
right answer, right?
But they're not thinking anyway.
So who cares?
Yeah.
Doctors don't understand statistics at all.
Most humans don't.
I mean, like intuitively, nobody does.
Again, I'm anti-doctor.
I've not been to a doctor in a long time and to pick one round of box that
I'm pretty sure is a fucking liar.
And he's pushing drugs on me.
Fauci?
Hey, Fauci is a good man.
He's a good man to throw off a cliff, but he's a good man to throw off a cliff.
So no, I, you know, so that's the one kind of bring up and that kind of brings
into the big, beautiful bill, which I think ties to Elon Musk.
Yes.
So go ahead.
Yeah.
Um, so apparently Elon's leaving Doge, which he always said he was going to
after the first hundred days.
I thought he said two years.
No, no, he's not giving you the first hundred days.
I'm going from there.
Um, okay, that's her.
But I think he's kind of dejected about it all because like they did all this
great work, they found tons of abuse and ways and bullshit that like you could just
instantly turn off, right?
And what does Congress do?
They pass the big, beautiful bill, which reauthorizes all of that shit again.
And then some, no, I don't believe it's reauthorized.
Okay.
So read the bill.
So that's your homework for this week is to spend the entire week reading that
bill because it's going to take you that whole time.
Watch the recession act.
What do you mean the recession act?
There's a very valid point.
It's, it plays into this.
So apparently in the big, beautiful bill, they can only, I'm going to use a term
mandatory spending.
I know it's not the right word, but it's mandatory versus discretionary discretionary.
So apparently in bills, like the big, beautiful bill, you cannot put discretionary
spending in there.
Okay.
It has to be done a different way.
Okay.
So that's why he couldn't do the, um, the USA ID cuts and all that other stuff.
You could not do that in that bill.
And well, no, no, the proofs that put it, it's going to happen on Monday.
If it doesn't, then people are a fucking liar.
So they're saying, and this is Thomas Bassenstoff.
But he did, he did.
Okay.
So like he did the tax cuts, some of them, uh, like the tax on tips, that's in there.
But the problem is they increase spending.
Right.
But he's now, according to what I'm hearing on Monday, a bill is going to
send to Congress to cut $9 billion out of the budget, which is all the
discretionary, a lot of the discretionary spending.
Well, no, I'm saying the proof is there.
But the president has an act that's never talked about, which I don't know why.
Well, I know why.
Spending.
It's called the recession act.
Okay.
And he's presents to Congress.
I want to cut these discretionary spending funds.
Okay.
And they have to vote on that.
Well, but they won't vote for it.
Well, it'll pass the house, I'm sure.
I know.
Well, yeah.
So this will be, this will be one where Massey's like, yeah, I'm all for that.
Right.
And then Trump will have to like eat his fucking shorts because Trump's always
talking shit about Massey.
Look, he's never going along with me.
Well, here's your chance, fucking guy.
But it's fine now.
Yeah.
I mean, because I mean, there's,
Massey's the only guy going to vote.
There are two sides to the Massey story.
I'm still a fan of Massey, but he also did vote.
Yes.
I was allowed to bite and stuff.
Well, we already talked about that.
Right.
So, um, like the Biden stuff actually had the promises that the Massey was demanding.
Okay.
And that's fine.
But it's, you know, it's a, it's a fucked up Congress right now.
And, but let's just, let's see what happens.
Let's see if next week comes and they, yeah.
Well, I guess we'll be reporting on that next week because, uh, this is a whole lot
of bullshit.
Yeah.
So, so you're, so Elon Musk, is that what you said?
Yeah.
Just the whole news about him leaving.
So he did say he's going to reevaluate at first hundred days.
But I, but what I am hopeful about is that Musk starts realizing that you can't solve
this problem through governments.
Right.
And he becomes an anarchist.
I think he's on the path, dude.
He's on the path.
Well, he went from Democrat to Republican pretty quick.
Well, yeah.
And he's going to start talking to like Michael Malis and maybe he'll go on the
Tom Wood Show.
Maybe he'll come on our show.
Huh?
How about that?
I would like that.
Um, so yeah, so no, I mean, I, I, you've done a great job.
Doge is still in full effect.
Yeah.
Big balls.
Does that work as we speak?
So, so no, let's just see how this goes.
But, but I understand that Congress has not, has that codified, sort of, sort of, they
have all jumped, all of Trump's executive orders have not been, um, I think the
words that codified or something like that.
Yeah.
But they've done nothing to vote in these.
So Congress is an issue.
Right.
And if we don't fix Congress, we're going, they're just waiting Trump out.
Yeah.
Open JD Vans doesn't, doesn't win.
So I don't know.
We'll see.
Um, but Congress on the fucking ball because
well, here's a, here's a, uh, uh, cost saving measure that the government's about to do.
What's that?
So the US Mint has announced that they will no longer be making pennies.
Oh, is that a permanent one?
I don't know about permanent because nothing's ever permanent.
But Trump did that like two months ago.
Um, well, it just came out two days ago or something.
No, no, but Trump said we need worse to go to something.
They were, they were announcing it.
Yes.
But like this is not official.
I agree.
Yeah.
Now I, so I don't actually like this.
So the savings are like $80 million.
Okay.
Which in government terms is nothing.
Right.
Um, and the, the whole reasoning behind this is that a penny contains like three
cents worth of zinc and copper.
I believe it's like six, but.
Well, that's how much it costs them to make it.
I thought it was six cents, but it could be.
It contains three cents worth of milk.
Oh, and then the overhead.
Yeah.
Okay.
So then the reason I don't like this is because why the fuck is a penny worth
three cents melt, right?
You, what have you done to the fucking money?
How have you fucked up?
So bad that a penny is worthless.
I like, dude, look at the corner.
I, why you understand, but like I have an old slot machine.
It's a quarter slot.
Yeah.
An old quarter works just fine.
You go a new quarter in there.
It's like, what the fuck is this?
No, I mean, this is, so it's, okay.
It's not that I'm against the policy.
It's that I'm like, this is a giant red flag as to where we're heading, right?
We're not on the right path.
Like, and we're not, we're not recovering.
Right.
This happened in the late Roman Empire.
Okay.
So you, you can, they, they dig up old coins, right?
Uh, and they know they can date those coins based on where the dirt was and all
sorts of other things.
And like you could, they even have like bills of sale.
So yeah.
So we, we can dig up these old coins and we know the prices of bread from like
various years in the ancient, in the Empire.
And, uh, so the older coins were pure silver.
Right.
Uh, and if you look at the prices of the bread, it was like one coin for a
price of bread or low for bread.
Um, and then as time went on, the silver content of the coins kept going down.
Right.
So you would mix it with a baser metal.
This is what they call it.
Um, and, and the price of bread kept going up.
Right.
So this is what's happening right now.
Right.
Yeah.
It's good.
The metal, the penny used to be pure copper.
Yeah.
Right.
They couldn't afford that.
So they put, started putting zinc in there.
Now it's just a, now it's mostly zinc, but with a, uh, thin copper coating.
If you go like an M&M, like an antique store or old, by an old penny and get a new
penny, put your hands, it's those one penny in each hand.
It's noticeable.
Oh, corners.
Like even, so if you find a quarter from 1964 or earlier,
uh, melt that shit, don't actually do that.
That's illegal.
Well, it has silver in it.
But 64 to like, I think of recent, like the last 10 years, you can see, if you
look at the side of the quarter, you can see where the copper is or where the
silver is.
Yep.
Well, there's no silver anymore.
There's none at all.
No.
They, they cover the silver and lead.
Oh, dude, did you think they could afford that?
That's a rich man's metal.
Yeah.
Fuck.
No.
So there's a funny thing that, uh, there's an image floating around, uh, where
they say like the, the price of gas in 1964 was five quarters.
Right.
And the price of gas today is five quarters.
As long as you have five quarters from 1964, because they're, they have silver
in them, right?
So yeah, like we're, the money is fucked and this is only going to accelerate.
Right.
So for today's the penny, next, they're going to do the nickel, the dime, the
quarter, we're going to have only paper money that they're going to get rid of
the paper because the paper is too expensive.
And you're only going to have to fucking CDBC that you have to use your phone on.
So they're not going to make pennies anymore.
No, but we're still going to use them.
Yes.
So cause, cause they're going to get phased out though.
It, see, that's, that's bullshit.
Well, what are you going to do?
Because it, that means, and you know what's going to happen.
The corporations are going to round up to their favor.
Of course.
See, and you cycle.
Ooh.
Yeah.
Okay.
So they get three extra cents.
So times that by 1000 people.
I've been to Mongolia three times.
Okay.
Now the money there is completely fucked.
Right.
So like, the highest bill is a 20,000 note and everything costs way more than
that.
So like you have, if you want to pay cash, you have to walk around with fucking
stacks and stacks of bills.
And there, there is nothing below 100 notes.
Right.
Okay.
So they don't have decimals.
Right.
You can't get a one note or a two note.
You can as like a gift.
Right.
And they cost like 300, 300 worth of notes.
Um, but you can't use them in stores.
So like if they charge you at a store and the price comes out to, you know,
let's say, uh, 180, you're going to give them 200s.
And then they say, thank you.
Have a nice day.
Oh, because there is no change.
Nobody has the change.
So yes, what you're saying is correct.
They're going to raise the price and then they're going to not even give you
change anymore.
Like we don't have it.
It doesn't exist.
The money is just gone.
It's on paper only, but they're going to owe taxes on it.
And so are you.
Yeah.
And it's going to, like I said, it's going to keep getting worse.
All right.
So we have my money.
Yeah.
No, money is, yeah, I don't know.
I just, I'm trying to, I'm anti-dissurgency.
Oh, it's not.
So the only thing that we can afford, the paper will to be too expensive.
Look how crazy that is.
Too expensive to make paper.
Well, that's, that's, that goes into another whole, sorry, I won't get into,
but that goes why we should be using hemp paper.
No, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's quickly renewable.
Yeah.
It's the, it's a easier process.
You don't need chemicals to strip the wood.
You just make it.
So I don't know how well the anti-counterfeiting measures work on hemp.
So you have to, because that's the real important thing with government money is
the anti-counterfeiting or any paper money.
Yeah, I guess.
I don't know.
I don't know what the solution that problem is.
I'm not, I'm not a financial guy.
You got to be honest.
You started moving to crypto.
Like you can't counterfeit crypto.
Yeah, I'm still not a crypto guy.
You will be.
That's the problem.
Like you will be, and then you'll be the guy with none and then police
sir can I have some more, right?
Well, I'll have tomatoes and cucumbers.
Okay.
That's fair.
Like if you, as long as you have something, then you'll be able to adapt to the new
money.
I mean, I can make my own whiskey.
Yeah.
I got corn growing back here right now.
Yeah.
I'll be, I'll be just fine.
But there'll be a lot of people that are not crypto guys that have nothing and
they'll be like, please sir, can I have some more?
But okay.
But what happened?
I can't know what part of Europe was it that they lost power for a while.
Yeah.
Well, we talked about this one.
I know, I know, but I mean with crypto, what do you don't, you can't.
Yes.
We talked about this when we were talking with paranoia.
Like you don't need a grid to get power.
You need to show.
You don't need a grid.
But you need to be able to show what you have.
Okay.
But power is not a grid.
And the internet to transfer it over one to the other.
But you don't need the internet.
Okay.
I walked away from that happens.
We already have solutions to this.
It's just a matter of you start using it.
You think you have a solution.
So we do.
Okay.
All right.
Let's go to the next guy.
I'll just start hitting them one by one.
This is more a funny thing.
Oh, yes.
So this is an Amazon ROI.
Tell me this guy didn't time travel.
Is that not fucking?
It kind of looks just like this.
He's in 1958.
Yeah.
The trees masking it.
That's like a perfect.
The truck just took off.
Yeah.
And disappeared.
So apparently he's a propane leaking back of a box truck.
Why are you there propane back there?
I don't know.
Wow.
But I just thought it was funny when I saw that.
The first thing I thought was back to the future.
I made a comment about it.
Yeah.
But if my wife's like it's showing your age there.
I'm sure I'm like no back to the future.
That's a classic.
Yeah.
It's got to be what you know that move through.
Dude, when we're in the DeLorean Club,
like little kids will come up.
Oh my God.
Back to the future.
They know.
Yeah.
That's one thing that's timeless.
But it's no pun.
What's weird though is that popping up like on social media on the news.
And I think they're going to remake Back to the Future.
Not within the lifetimes of Bob Gale or Robert Zemeckis.
Because they specifically have contracts that say you will not fuck with our
movie while we're alive.
What if they go to a Back to the Future three or four?
There'd be four.
It'd be four.
You can't.
There's like, okay, they will not allow it.
It's just been weird because it's been popping up.
And I'm like, oh, shit.
And they've been saying this for years.
Okay.
But no, Bob Gale and Robert Zemeckis were like, we have the perfect trilogy.
It's done.
We're not going to fuck with it.
You're not going to fuck with it.
So they're they're they are getting up there in age.
So once they die off.
To the right.
Yeah.
So you never know.
So yeah, Back to the Future is safe.
Like if you go for now.
Yeah.
For now.
Well, yeah, because the kids will get it and they were like, what?
We can get 10 more million dollars.
Oh, yeah.
That's that's that's that's that's Martin McFly.
But fuck by Donald Duck.
How do I help?
I hope they do that alone.
Well, they did have a Leah Thompson movie with a with a sexual duck scene.
I love that movie.
Howard the Duck.
Go watch that one for you for you 80s fans.
That's it.
It's a B movie.
Yeah.
For sure.
But it's good.
I mean, it's talking fucking duck.
I wonder what's next here.
Oh, this was fun.
So this is the president of France and is well, I guess.
Spouse.
It's slow-mo.
So yeah.
That's
caught on camera.
That's your that's your president or what do you call your.
No, no, I saw this like when it came out in a lot of people.
We're like, Oh, this is abuse.
And she groomed him when he was a teenager.
I'm glad you said that.
Well, how do you know he's not into this?
Well, I mean, maybe that maybe that's their thing.
Maybe it is.
But obviously as a president, you were only expected to face by your
tranny wife.
Well, they didn't know the camera was running.
They were role playing.
Oh shit.
How do you the cameras running?
Do you know the story behind all this?
I know just bits of pieces.
I don't know the full.
She he was.
She was his teacher, right?
Yes.
Yeah.
And she he groomed him.
Yeah.
And then they got married.
Yeah.
And I mean, it's weird.
Okay.
What do I care?
They're French.
That's what they do.
They're weird people.
They don't change their armpits.
My wife is like, how do you stop saying the president or friends?
His wife is a man.
I go, what?
She goes, just stop your conspiracies.
Okay.
There you go.
If anyone she goes, oh, he's a man.
If any presidential spouse is likely to be a man is that.
Okay.
So if the bet was Obama's or this guy, my body's going on the
French, that dude is a man, hands, feet and all.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, I just wondered because I thought it was funny.
And then what do we got next?
Uh, okay.
So, okay.
Yeah, this one's kind of like, this is like some doofball redneck,
but you want to play the video?
It's like a minute, some minute.
Yeah.
It's about the moon, maybe, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Just tell me if he makes sense.
He doesn't.
Like, let's just play it.
He really believe.
And in 1969, when television was still in black and white,
and folks, which falls in rotary fucking fun.
When the color came out, I think it's around that year.
Our soul in the United States didn't even have power.
Winters are fucking air conditioned.
Yeah.
And we just trapped two cowboys into what was essentially about
the coke can with a shed of small block of text to it.
Yeah, fifties were falling.
They just launched their motherfuckers out into orbit on nothing
more than a open a fucking dream.
And somehow managed to land that floor by a bottle.
I could safely on an uncharted lunar surface.
We then got out and played hopscotch for a few hours.
And then it got right back inside that motherfucker.
And then somehow they lost themselves back off the goddamn moon
with no infrastructure.
And then a few short weeks later, they landed safely back on
earth. You really fucking believe that that happened.
God damn you're a gullible son.
I bet you still believe in fucking Santa Claus.
Okay, so you want to go?
Well, Color TV came out earlier.
Again, we already admit he's a redneck.
Yeah.
They didn't use Color TV or we didn't use Color TV to
weigh the seven.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
So be understandable.
Yeah, but like when you don't get how shit works, you goofy
motherfucker.
Yeah, like it's no.
Do you believe in Santa Claus?
This is just so dumb.
Like, okay, first of all, the consumer electronics available
at the time is not a good argument that the government
stealing a bunch of money and spending it how they want can't
do amazing things.
Right?
The Soviets did.
Right.
The Soviets, where people were literally starving, they
launched stuff in the space.
Why are you using logic on this video?
Well, there's nothing logical about this video.
It was just funny.
It's just that southern accent made it even funnier.
I just don't find stuff like that funny.
It's stupid.
It's just stupid.
But there was about some better points in there.
No, we talked about this last week that another after the
show about it being uncharted.
We just fucking landed a fucking spaceship on the fucking moon.
Yeah.
No, nothing about it.
Guy's going to get out.
Of course, we knew about the moon monsters.
What?
The moon monsters.
Oh, my God.
How do we know they don't exist?
I mean, we don't know.
And we just fucking sacrificed something.
Okay, let's let's do the Monero.
Let's do the wheel this week.
Okay.
So, um, well, first of all, dorm house, you never collected
your winnings, buddy.
Oh, I told you the rules.
You got a contact.
Now she never contacted me.
He's in the chat room too.
He's in the chat room and he's not.
He didn't contact me.
So you just gave up all those donations.
So whoever wins this week is going to get all bit of change.
All right.
Woo.
And if you remember last week's challenge, it was tell us your
favorite George went RIP role that was not norm from Cheers.
Right.
Uh, now do you know the correct answer?
What's the correct answer?
What?
The correct answer is a question.
I don't know.
I just knew for this one.
What's his best?
Oh, what's, what do I think the best role is without cheers?
I would say coach Dicca.
Would he did go?
What was he Dicca?
Uh, on a third of my life.
Well, he was not, he was not Dicca.
That's the correct answer, but he was not Dicca.
Uh, so yeah, the first answer came to the question.
He kept saying that coach, the coach, the first answer came from
Al McGuest.
So you play at Chicago.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, um, Al McGuest answered me like five minutes after the show posted.
Yeah.
And he said, duh, super fans, which is the correct answer.
Oh, they're my super fans.
Yeah.
Now I actually want to, I want to do a little diversion here and talk
about super fans.
Okay.
Cause, um, it was fucking an amazing skit.
Uh, now George went was actually from South Side Chicago.
Right.
I don't know if you knew that he grew up in Beverly, which is like a
super fucking Irish German.
Yeah.
Uh, all the cops are from there.
Uh, and the Chicago accent was, well, it was on point.
If it was a cartoon.
Uh, well, so you don't have that.
I said, I don't have that.
No, but I can speak.
Right.
Uh, and if you guys, I wanted to actually find a photo of my dad and put it up on
the, on the TV, but like, uh, I didn't want to like do any shit without his
permission or anything.
But if you saw that picture, you would be like, which one of the super fans was
he, he had the fucking mustache and the, and the big beer belly.
Oh, that's awesome.
Um, dude, like super.
So that look on the super fans, that's not a fucking like gimmick.
That's how everybody looks on the South side of Chicago.
And they all talk that way.
Uh, so no, George went was, uh, was one of the cast members.
Um, Mike Myers, but he kind of fucked up the accent a little bit because he's
from Canada, like every once in a while, like he did a good job.
I thought it was my word.
All right.
I'm gonna roll.
That's Wayne.
Oh, Wayne, from Wayne's.
So like Mike Myers, like he did a good job most of the time, but every once in a
while he would slip it in a boot.
Yeah.
It was like, dude, come on, you gotta watch those.
We had a Farley, Chris Farley.
Yeah.
Uh, he's from the Midwest.
So he was able to nail that accent.
He's from Wisconsin.
Um, yeah, Wisconsin.
Um, Bob Spiegel, he, so he wasn't a cast member, but he was one of the writers on
SNL and like he's the one who thought up the super fans.
Okay.
Uh, so like he was in there and then, um, Joe Montaigne was in there.
Like he was, and they, dude, they had like six or seven skaters.
So fucking funny.
And like it's, it's so Chicago.
Yeah.
Being from Chicago, like it's just amazing how spot on that was.
So speaking of Wisconsin and Chicago, you know, Phib is?
Yeah.
Fucking Illinois bastard.
Yeah.
So they would be like, you fibbed when you crossed our state, why won't you just
throw 40 cents out the window every couple of miles?
Cause it was, it was a digginess for our tolls with our tolls or 40 cents.
Um, but yeah, congrats on Elm Agusta getting the correct answer.
Okay.
Um, so next we have Mav McHugh and, uh, his answer was daddy daycare.
So that was a movie in the 2000s, I think with, um,
was that our Schwarzenegger?
I don't know.
Oh no, daddy day.
No way.
It might have been Eddie Murphy.
I never, I never saw it, but, uh, so I did, but I don't remember because you've
got daddy's home with Mark, with Mark Wahlberg.
You got daddy daycare.
That might have been Eddie Murphy.
Yeah.
I, so, but yeah, I'll probably check it out.
Yeah.
Swarzenegger was then something to do with, oh, kindergarten.
Yeah.
He was in that.
Okay.
But yeah, so that's apparently Mav McHugh likes that would be a good job.
Mav McHugh and, uh, R.N.
Who designed our stickers came up with an answer.
Oh, he actually gave two answers.
Uh, one was the Twilight Zone.
So apparently George went was in one of the episodes of the new Twilight Zone,
the 80s version.
Really?
So I'm going to have to go watch that because that sounds pretty cool.
Uh, and the other answer was family guy, but that actually does not qualify.
His voice though, because it was his voice.
Okay.
But it doesn't qualify because that was actually norm from Cheers.
Oh, I said no norm.
Right.
So, but you did say, uh, Twilight Zone.
So that does count.
Yeah.
Actress pop up in weird things.
I just saw a video of, uh, Matthew McConaughey on a early version of unsolved
mysteries and, uh, and he got killed.
Oops.
Apparently he was the unsolved mystery.
All right.
So let's see who wins.
Okay.
Madness, you daddy daycare.
All right.
It's the best answer.
Contact me and collect your winnings.
There you go.
Alrighty.
So I just got one last story.
Okay.
Yeah.
Did you hear about this one?
Uh, spin on it.
Um, I saw that your post, but otherwise.
Yeah.
Uh, what was the guy's name?
That was the old Ed Martin.
He was the DA for the DC area and he did not confirm to the Senate.
They refused to vote on him.
Um, but he was already doing the job.
So when the Senate would not bring him up for vote, Trump removed him and put in
someone else and apparently it's a woman judge and she's just, we just, it's tough,
but he was doing a speech out in DC and she walks by with her dog and she spit on
him.
Yeah.
And actually, I didn't show this.
Her, maybe this is the post.
She's like, yeah, it was me who spit on you.
I, unfortunately, I was dehydrated.
I couldn't come up with a good one.
It could spit.
Why would you admit to that?
I was going to jail.
Now.
Okay.
So this is what happened to me at Caesar that got me banned, right?
A guy spit in my face.
Now here in Nevada, simple batteries, just a citation.
You don't get arrested.
You don't go to jail.
There's two justice systems.
Well, I saw, I don't know what the laws are and whatever the fuck this happened
in.
Well, I'm sure it's because he's, he's, right, but that's probably what it is.
So like, if you spit on a regular person, you just get a citation and the
chilled the court and whatever.
Uh, but apparently if you spit on a judge or a DA or whatever, I'm just
really concerned about something though.
I mean, what's going to happen to her dog?
Probably kill it.
I said it over here.
We got, I got, I got room for another dog.
Your cops.
They let me kill dogs.
That's what they do.
Oh dude.
Don't even start it on that.
Uh, so I got one more thing before we get into the.
So yeah, well, a couple of weeks ago, we had a Monroe challenge about, um, uh,
giving song lyrics to an AI generator and making images.
Yeah.
So one of our listeners who goes by the name cum Lord, uh, he's on the dark web.
Okay.
And, um, you know, no comment about that.
Come Lord, come Lord.
Oh, come.
Yeah.
I was, I heard of more CO and.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Okay.
But anyway, you're the one to go.
That's fine.
No, I'm a lazy talker.
You're a family of lazy listener.
Uh, so no, he coded up a bot that facilitates a game.
So we have a room now on the dark web, IRC.
Uh, so if you guys want to play the game, uh, come on to our chat room and I'll
show you how to get in there.
Oh, that's cool.
And he put up a website and everything.
It's on it only.
So if you're on the dark web, uh, go to guests, the song dot itp and, uh, see all
the images and all the guesses people have put in and all that shit.
Oh, that's really fun.
So I'm kicking ass on the, on the top score right now.
Okay.
So come try and dethrone me.
Okay.
So, uh, I think we're good right now.
I think it was going to our training portion.
Cool.
Um, yeah, cause I was, I had some, a few, well, no, I actually do another question for you.
Oh, okay.
Should, like, try and set, we buy, should they be made in the U.S. only?
I don't get, no, absolutely not.
So you don't think that they can put in shit into our computers?
What makes you think the U.S. manufacturers can't do that?
Ah, a very good answer.
Man, okay.
Yeah.
But I mean, who's, who's more likely to want to put shit in my computer?
And who's the Chinese guy who doesn't know my name or doesn't give a fuck.
He just wants a couple of bucks or the American company that has to have a
business license in America who does want to spy on me and see what I'm doing.
So the answer should be who's more likely to use the data actually against me.
Yes.
That would be all putting shit in the, that's, that's a given.
Okay.
Good answer.
Okay.
It was just something with some conversation.
No, I hear this argument a lot, like when, especially when it's about tariffs or
free trade or whatever the fuck.
And it's like, like, okay, why do you assume that because the guy's over there
somewhere, he's your enemy?
Like everyone assumes China's our enemy.
They're not our fucking enemy.
Yeah.
I don't have a problem with China being our enemy because I mean, they need us
much as we need them.
Right.
Well, sort of.
Well, that's a whole other show.
Talk about that.
That's more of us going to war with them.
They're not going to war with us.
We're not going to war with them.
It's just, it's stupid.
Yeah.
But yeah, I got into it in the YouTube comments on some, some video where like
someone was saying that like, oh, China's our enemy and we have to, and I'm like,
do you think the Walmart employees are your enemy?
Cause they're not your family.
Right.
Do you trust them?
I mean, not really, but you still buy the shit.
Right.
Yeah.
Because like they have no incentive to sneak things in your electronics and do all
this weird shit.
Like that's just not how it works.
Right.
Not everybody's your enemy just cause you don't know them and invite them over to
a barbecue.
But if I don't know them, they're scary.
Yeah.
That's, that's, that's just retarded.
No, I buy it.
Look, buy whatever the fuck you want.
And like, if, if someone uses that against you somehow, learn, right?
Learned in the future and buy something different.
If that's like a fucking simple.
Yeah.
If your house gets stolen, your baby got good straight, just fucking learn and
don't do it.
Make the same mistakes next time.
Right.
All right.
So instead of a teaching topic today, I'm going to take, uh,
ayn's advice and tell some work stories.
So, uh, I actually have two stories, uh, both have the same theme.
Uh, so the first one is, uh, my first job out of college, uh, was help desk for a
company that made, uh, software that worked with copy machines to help law firms.
So like when, uh, when a law firm is doing a lawsuit, sometimes there's like
thousands and thousands of pages and they have to keep all that shit organized.
Yeah.
And the way they do that, uh, is with these super expensive copy machines, like
$100,000 and $200,000, which will, uh, do automatic staples and hole punches and
like sort everything in folders and everything.
Uh, so we had some of these devices on hand and like, it was actually pretty
fun, but I can talk about that some other time.
Um, but the, the story I want to talk about was I get a call one day and the
customer says, all of our projects are gone.
And I'm like, what?
And this is like a big customer, like one of our biggest customers.
And I knew that they had tons of projects and I'm like, well, let me,
let me log into our remote support.
We had like a remote support access, uh, so I could, I could go through their
logs and see everything they did.
And I'm going through the logs and I see RM dash RF slash projects slash star.
And if you, uh, if you're a Linux user, RM dash RF means get rid of that, delete
that shit, right?
Okay.
And I'm like, wait a minute, what the fuck?
Are you, like, how did you delete all the projects?
Right?
Cause you shouldn't be allowed to, like, it's not like they have terminal access.
They have our, our kiosk.
Yeah.
And they just push buttons on the touchscreen.
Like, what the fuck are they doing?
And I'm like, I'm going to have to call you back.
Right.
Uh, so like I hang up the phone and I start fucking around with my, my dev terminal.
And I'm playing around with it.
And, uh, I go to create a project and the, there's like a text, like a keyboard
on screen keyboard, cause they, they was touchscreen.
They didn't have keyboards.
Okay.
Uh, and there's a input box and then the on screen keyboard.
And I thought, what if I just hit enter?
Right.
The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the new project
and then let me scan documents and foot folders and everything.
And I'm like, huh.
So I have a project that has no name and all of our projects are in slash projects
slash name of the project.
Right.
But there is no name.
So what happens if I go delete that project?
So I went to the, to the managed projects section.
I hit delete projects.
All my projects are gone.
And, and like, so unlike windows, when you are on dash RF in Linux, there's no fucking,
uh, uh, recycle bin, right?
That shit is gone.
Right.
Linux is, is, is not a baby toy.
So I call the guy up.
And the first thing I say is you guys make backups, right?
Unfortunately, they, they did make backups.
I'm like, uh, you're going to have to go deploy those backups.
Uh, and I'm going to go yell at our dev team and, uh, I'm sorry.
There's nothing I can do.
You have to restore the backups.
Wow.
So, so yeah, I went and gave them shit.
I'm like, dude, this is fucked up.
Like you can't, you guys are fucking retarded.
Like, so, so that's the one story.
Well, so I got a question about copiers because it's, he bring that up because I
saw a TikTok video this week and the dude buys commercial copiers, wholesale.
Okay.
And other business had them and they got rid of them.
Yeah.
And he takes them to their shop.
He pulls the hard drive.
Is there truly hard drives on these things?
Oh yeah.
So, so, um, so all your shit's on the fucking hard drive.
Well, not necessarily.
You're, you're typically, you're not allowed to buy these things.
Like you only lease them.
Right.
But once they get released from the lease, apparently you can buy them.
Uh, sometimes.
Yeah.
Like overclock.
Yeah.
If they're, if yes, uh, if they're at their end of life or whatever.
Uh, so no, the purpose of those hard drives is when you lease them, you actually
have like limits on how much you can print and copy and all that shit.
Okay.
So what the hard drives keep attracting is your stacks.
Yeah.
So, but they don't care the hard drives apparently.
Again, it was TikTok.
Probably not.
The dude had, uh, it was a PlayStation copy machine.
Yeah.
He had all kinds of shit.
Oh yeah.
Sure.
The other one was the doctor's office.
I know I would always like when I logged into remote support, I would always check
like, are there any murder files on this guy's, uh, I never find, it's not any
interesting stuff though.
Okay.
Um, but so, no, second story, uh, this was at the payday loan place.
No, no, no, no, no.
That's fine.
I'm not gonna say, I'm not going to say friend, sorry, Linda.
Okay.
Uh, so this is a similar kind of story.
Uh, now I wasn't help desk here, but I was what's Carl called ops operation
support.
Okay.
So, uh, the customer that had a problem would call our tech support line and
then they would escalate issues to me where I would do more technical solutions.
Uh, and I get it.
I get a ticket one day from one of the help desk and they're like, Oh,
yeah, I pulled up this customer's file in our portal and, uh, the page is all
screwy.
I'm like, what do you mean?
Screw like, I just give me the page, right?
So I take, I get to the link and I go to the page and, uh, you know, it starts
off normal, like name, address, social security number, all this shit.
And then suddenly it's like occupation and then it starts off an occupation and
then it cuts off and then it starts showing like, uh, you know, the strike
through HTML code where it's like text, but with lines in the middle of it.
Sure.
And I'm like, how is this fucking, how did you do this?
Right.
So I, so I pull up the database where I can see the actual records instead of the
HTML rendering of it.
And it turned out that, uh, the customer in their occupation, they worked at a
bar called like, Oh, Mali's or O Riley's or something like that.
Right.
And there's an apostrophe.
German bar.
Yeah.
And there's an apostrophe in there, but instead of an apostrophe, they made a typo
and they typed an angle bracket.
Right.
Okay.
So an angle bracket is, uh, this guy right here.
Now, if you ever do HTML coding, uh, each angle brackets are what tell the system,
this is HTML.
Uh, so, so not normally, uh, when, when you allow a user to input something, you're
supposed to strip that shit out because you don't want them putting angle brackets
right and, and making new HTML.
So I file a ticket to the devs and for a day, like nobody answered.
Like, and I put like HTML injection attack on portal and like everyone ignored.
Nobody, nobody fucking, they just ignore me.
Right.
So I come back in the next day of work and I'm like, why has nobody worked on this
ticket?
So I, I got an idea.
So I pulled up one of our test customers.
Yeah.
Which we had hundreds of those.
Uh, and I go and I, I say edit, uh, occupation and then I changed the occupation to
like, uh, angle bracket, but instead of just typing some text in, I typed in script,
language equals JavaScript, uh, redirects, their window.location equals the Rick
roll URL.
And then so, so then I sent an instant message to my boss and said, Hey,
something's wrong with this customer on portal.
I don't understand.
And then he clicks the link, he gets Rick rolled.
And then, and then like, after I waited for him to say, what the fuck, I gave him
the link to my ticket and he's like, okay, we'll fix it.
Right.
Cause just cause a customer didn't understand how to, how to destroy our system.
Yeah.
I mean, they couldn't, right?
Cause if I can send you to Rick roll, I can send you any fucking where I want.
Exactly.
Right.
So the point of these stories is do not trust user input ever.
Right.
Users are going to make mistakes.
Yeah.
They're going to be malicious.
Uh, they will fuck with you.
And, and by the way, on the AI, uh, image generator bot, I am fucking with it.
I'm doing anything I can to break this thing.
Right.
Cause this is how we, uh, protect ourselves.
Um, but never, ever, ever, ever trust user inputs.
Right.
If you have a form that they have to fill out, you better be fucking locking that
shit down to only allow the absolute minimum that they're allowed to do.
And like it's hard work.
Like this is the most boring part of our job as, uh, developers, but you have to
fucking do it.
Because one fucked up and like all the social security numbers are out there.
All the credit card numbers are out there and you're fucking facing a $20 million
lawsuit.
Yep.
So don't fucking skip on this.
But yeah, that's my, that's my work story.
That's cool.
It's like, I was, I mean, I guess now it doesn't matter, but people use to send word
documents with like, with letters.
Like, oh, don't, don't fucking send in words in the PDF.
Right.
You can change word.
You can't change PDF now.
It's very, you can also put macros in word that can run code.
Oh, yeah.
That's, but I mean, nowadays I put the PDF unlock, or I can, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's easy now, but whatever.
Um, so here's a funny thing.
I've been doing these training sessions.
We've been in what a year and a half, almost three, four months.
And this is something I've always just done, but I never thought about it being a
training session.
So my wife and I, we were in the, hang out in the arts district.
Um, oh, if you're in town, if you're a tourist in Vegas,
don't go to the arts district.
It's for us.
It was a fuck alone.
No, no, if you're in this three, you got my permission to come and join us
in the arts district.
Um, and we were just checking out cool bars down there because we've
a friend coming to town and we wanted to, you know, cause we, we typically go to
the breweries and the restaurants down there, but we, so we were checking out the
mermaid bar or the pirate bar.
Okay.
It's called, um, straight pirate.
Okay.
And it's a, it's actually raising money for animals.
And cause the stray and then the, the pirate, they have like the animals dressed
on his pirate.
It's cute.
It's, it's kitschy.
That drinks are expensive.
And I was talking to the bartender and there was a couple to the left of me
because I was on the corner of the bar and we were talking about his dog and
it was talking about my dog.
And I'm like, Oh, do you, does your, you know, does your dog have commands?
He's like, yeah, go do you use the basic ones?
Like sit and stay.
He's like, no, I got, cause I don't want to do a lot of commands with it.
And a couple over here goes, well, why does that matter?
Because what's the big deal about that?
I go, well, you don't ever give your dog, don't teach your dog to sit, to stay, to
roll over, to play dead.
I'll get to that.
I'll get to why in a second.
And cause I can come up to your dog and they say, yeah.
So they were like, Oh, why?
And then, and I was, we were talking to the guy.
I go, we're not just hacking computer.
I go, we're hacking dogs.
We're hacking dogs.
And I go, well, you know, first of all, I go as a plumber, I've had to break into
people's houses.
I think I told this story once before I broke into a guy's house and his German
shepherd's in the top of the stairs.
And the next day I went back and I introduced myself to him, the guy
broke in your house, blah, blah, blah.
And the locksmith was literally sawing a dead bull in the store at the same time.
He goes, well, the locksmith told me why you, how you got in.
I want to know how you got past my dog.
And it was a full size German shepherd.
Stay at the top of the stairs.
And I go, well, one, I'm not scared of dogs.
So the dog wasn't pick up a negative image of me.
And dogs respond better to a woman's voice than a male voice.
And if they're trained, I can basically control the dog.
And that's how I got past the German shepherd.
I guess I, I said, talking to a higher pitch voice, the lady goes, I want to hear
that.
And I'm like, well, I go, I'm like, well, maybe it's not, I go, it's a softer voice.
Yeah.
But basically is, is I hit the stairs.
I start walking up slow.
And I'm talking, Hey, what's up, buddy?
Hey, can you sit?
Sit?
Can you lay down?
Can you roll over?
Oh, good boy.
Where are your treats at?
Stick me to your treats or give me treats.
And I give that a fucking dog treats.
That's how you get past dogs.
So he's like, well, what do you do?
I go, well, one, make up, make up, make up words.
The dog's not, he's not going to Google it, go and that's that's not a word.
Yeah.
You know, and I go or you choose a foreign language.
Yeah.
It reminds me of the movie young guns.
I forget this is young guns, one of young guns, two.
The young guns were being chased by a posse.
Okay.
And the new devil in Philip was in the back and all the young guns, their horses
stopped when they saw it wasn't quite a clip.
It was a very steep hill.
Yeah.
And all of a sudden new devil's character comes running up and he's like,
let's say, let's say, let's say, his horse goes down the hill and the rest of
the horses follow and the posse gets in there.
Like even their horses are crazy.
And the guy goes to Luke, I've been Philip.
What does that at same mean?
I feel it goes, it means stop.
But the point is, is there are other languages you can use and don't tell people
what your commands are to your dog.
Right.
Cause I personally, my dog has zero commands.
He's a smart enough dog.
He knows what to do.
He might, I have one issue with my dog and he likes to bark at other dogs.
And I'm trying to break that for when I walk in, but that's the whole of the story.
But my point is, is if your dog is for home protection or family protection,
right, do not train it with standard.
Right.
You have to speak kind of separate out a pet.
Yeah.
From a defender.
Right.
But even when I made little dog, I mean, she might, she's not a bite.
She might leave a few teeth in your leg.
She is losing teeth.
We're talking to her.
I love you.
What the fuck is that?
It's a tooth.
She's old.
Get over it.
So we bought her soft food.
So what?
She's good.
Um, but yeah, it's, so if, if you, if you do want your dogs to be protective,
um, just, you know, just be careful what you train them to do because someone,
it's the farious can take control of your dog.
Yeah.
And it's not like he's going to, you know, have the dog, a rubber bank or something.
But I mean, he is going to be able to, but that is actually a movie of German
shepherds walking to a bank.
Um, but the thing is, is you want, you want your dog to, to defend your house.
Like I've got, I got a friend, tried to walk in the house without me.
Yeah.
Got two feet in and stopped dead.
Like, run, run, run.
And my dog just posted up and went, he's 72 pounds.
I know that because I had it in the vet because I got to get in the rabies shot.
Don't even be fucking started on the rabies shot.
How can my dog get fucking rabies?
I don't know.
Who got my house from a bat?
No, no, that's very rabies.
A lot of new.
No, no, they don't see, I'm just like, why fucking government control?
They want to know my dog.
It's like my bees.
I have reported my bees to the fucking city.
Fuck you.
Maybe she's going to bat.
You don't kind of report those.
You probably do.
And I was talking to make me, I was talking to the vet office and I'm just like,
Oh, I really don't want to do this, but I, he's got to have his rabies shot.
He said, no, no, it's because they don't know it's not because they can't get fucking rabies.
Yeah.
My dog is in my backyard, which has a five foot CMU wall and concrete walls all the way around it.
A gate that's fucking like Fort Knox and no coyotes.
Yeah.
I prefer coyote to get to my backyard.
It's really fucking.
Your dog is bigger than a coyote.
Oh yeah, a coyote won't fuck with my big dog.
But well, it's fine.
Okay.
So if a pack of coyotes, they would.
Yeah.
And what they would do is they were, there was a pack of coyotes.
They were making like a whimpering sound and they would bring the big dog in.
Oh man.
And then they were attacking, but basically a big dog will, will fend off.
No, did you know that in Nevada, you don't need any license to kill and eat coyotes?
You can just go do it.
Okay.
Eating the part.
Eating part gets me.
Well, you don't have to eat it.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I'm not sure I'm fond of eating coyotes.
I mean, yeah, it's funny.
Well, coyotes were here before us.
Okay.
We're here now.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I, I, they don't have to attack me.
They can mind their business.
I get the ecosystem.
I'm not bothering them.
Don't bother me.
Kumbaya coexist.
Put me in a Prius.
Um, I think that's it for me.
I'm, I guess some phone calls for you.
There you go.
All right.
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